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riversedge

(70,242 posts)
Thu Sep 22, 2016, 11:58 PM Sep 2016

Kirk Douglas draws on his Jewish roots in comparing Trump with Hitler

I find this article chilling.



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Kirk Douglas draws on his Jewish roots in comparing Trump with Hitler



The Road Ahead


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-road-ahead_us_57e03be4e4b08cb1409749f2?



09/19/2016 04:07 pm ET | Updated 2 days ago


............Yet, I’ve also lived through the horrors of a Great Depression and two World Wars, the second of which was started by a man who promised that he would restore his country it to its former greatness.

I was 16 when that man came to power in 1933. For almost a decade before his rise he was laughed at ― not taken seriously. He was seen as a buffoon who couldn’t possibly deceive an educated, civilized population with his nationalistic, hateful rhetoric.

The “experts” dismissed him as a joke. They were wrong.

A few weeks ago we heard words spoken in Arizona that my wife, Anne, who grew up in Germany, said chilled her to the bone. They could also have been spoken in 1933:

“We also have to be honest about the fact that not everyone who seeks to join our country will be able to successfully assimilate. It is our right as a sovereign nation to choose immigrants that we think are the likeliest to thrive and flourish here…[including] new screening tests for all applicants that include an ideological certification to make sure that those we are admitting to our country share our values…”


These are not the American values that we fought in World War II to protect.



Until now, I believed I had finally seen everything under the sun. But this was the kind of fear-mongering I have never before witnessed from a major U.S. presidential candidate in my lifetime.

I have lived a long, good life. I will not be here to see the consequences if this evil takes root in our country. But your children and mine will be. And their children. And their children’s children.

...............

My 100th birthday is exactly one month and one day after the next presidential election. I’d like to celebrate it by blowing out the candles on my cake, then whistling “Happy Days Are Here Again.”

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Kirk Douglas draws on his Jewish roots in comparing Trump with Hitler (Original Post) riversedge Sep 2016 OP
until I saw "Trumbo" I had no idea that Kirk Douglas was such a thoroughly good guy renate Sep 2016 #1
Kirk Douglas is an American hero on and off the screen. nt oasis Sep 2016 #2
A real mensch. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2016 #4
I was on a Burt Lancaster kick a few years ago, and discovered The Train. Loved it! C Moon Sep 2016 #5
ooh! the train. that is an awesome movie. pansypoo53219 Sep 2016 #9
Paul Scofield MFM008 Sep 2016 #10
Wow. That sounds good. Thanks! C Moon Sep 2016 #15
Loved that Trumbo brought that story to the masses Frank Cannon Sep 2016 #17
Trump's Art of the Deal and Hitler's Meim Kampf... TomCADem Sep 2016 #3
Nice comparison. Buckeye_Democrat Sep 2016 #7
I had to read Mein Kampf for a class one of the most difficult tasks I ever attempted. gordianot Sep 2016 #8
Those two quotes side by side are also very chilling and telling. riversedge Sep 2016 #12
Kirk and Ann Douglas... Hekate Sep 2016 #6
You and I are in the same riversedge Sep 2016 #13
Read his autobiography years ago Freddie Sep 2016 #11
K&R for K.D. Martin Eden Sep 2016 #14
In the next weeks more and more celebrities will thrash him, and it will work. lindysalsagal Sep 2016 #16

renate

(13,776 posts)
1. until I saw "Trumbo" I had no idea that Kirk Douglas was such a thoroughly good guy
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 12:18 AM
Sep 2016

He's awesome:

http://deadline.com/2015/11/kirk-douglas-speaks-out-trumbo-career-threatened-blacklist-1201629542/

(emphasis mine)
“As actors it is easy for us to play the hero. We get to fight the bad guys and stand up for justice. In real life, the choices are not always so clear. The Hollywood Blacklist, recreated powerfully on screen in Trumbo, was a time I remember well. The choices were hard. The consequences were painful and very real. During the blacklist, I had friends who went into exile when no one would hire them; actors who committed suicide in despair. My young co-star in Detective Story (1951), Lee Grant, was unable to work for twelve years after she refused to testify against her husband before the House Un-American Activities Committee. I was threatened that using a Blacklisted writer for Spartacus –– my friend Dalton Trumbo — would mark me as a “Commie-lover” and end my career. There are times when one has to stand up for principle. I am so proud of my fellow actors who use their public influence to speak out against injustice. At 98 years old, I have learned one lesson from history: It very often repeats itself. I hope that Trumbo, a fine film, will remind all of us that the Blacklist was a terrible time in our country, but that we must learn from it so that it will never happen again.”

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,330 posts)
4. A real mensch.
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 01:02 AM
Sep 2016

Burt Lancaster too.

They both chose some of their parts based on issues they felt important.

MFM008

(19,814 posts)
10. Paul Scofield
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 03:23 AM
Sep 2016

Around the time he won his Oscar another great actor. If you haven't seen a A man for all seasons is something you must put on your movie Bucket List.
Kirk Douglas. Awesome any day.

Frank Cannon

(7,570 posts)
17. Loved that Trumbo brought that story to the masses
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 07:28 PM
Sep 2016

I'd heard that he'd basically told the blacklisters to go fuck themselves, but I'd never seen that story visually presented. Kirk Douglas has always been a total badass.

For all those that haven't seen the movie Trumbo, see it. And for all those who haven't read Trumbo's masterpiece, Johnny Got His Gun, read it. It should actually be mandatory reading for anyone running for higher office.

TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
3. Trump's Art of the Deal and Hitler's Meim Kampf...
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 12:52 AM
Sep 2016

Lately, we have seen how Donald Trump has engaged in bigger and bigger lies daring the media to fact check him, and threatening and accusing them of bias when they do. Of course, is Donald Trump really unprecedented in his approach to lying? Or, did he have inspiration?

Here is Donald Trump in The Art of the Deal on "exaggeration":

The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people's fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That's why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular.

I call it truthful hyperbole. It's an innocent form of exaggeration — and a very effective form of promotion.


Adolf Hitler in his memoir Mein Kampf:

All this was inspired by the principle - which is quite true in itself - that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. These people know only too well how to use falsehood for the basest purposes.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,855 posts)
7. Nice comparison.
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 02:10 AM
Sep 2016

I consider Trump's questioning of Obama's citizenship an example of a Hitler-like "big lie" too.

gordianot

(15,238 posts)
8. I had to read Mein Kampf for a class one of the most difficult tasks I ever attempted.
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 02:29 AM
Sep 2016

One of the objectives was to show quotes that foreshadowed the coming events of the Second World War that was not difficult. The sheer drivel, paranoia and egomania of Hitler that was difficult. I have tried to read the Art of the Deal several times in the last couple months wth Hitler it appears to me in contemporary comparison had much more control and if were in a deal with Trump would have devoured him.

Hekate

(90,712 posts)
6. Kirk and Ann Douglas...
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 01:33 AM
Sep 2016


Sorry for the inadequate smilies, guys -- I'm still sick and full of cough syrup.

Freddie

(9,267 posts)
11. Read his autobiography years ago
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 06:36 AM
Sep 2016

Highly recommended. He grew up dirt-poor, son of Russian immigrants, in upstate New York.

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