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Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 10:37 PM Sep 2016

One problem with the debates...

It is assumed that the winner of the debates, the candidate with the most knowledgeable and intelligent answers, will attract new voters.

Normally this is the case but if someone is considering voting for Trump they've already decided that knowledge and intelligence are irrelevant for the presidency. They must think that bluster and self aggrandizement to be the most essential qualities.

In the debates we all expect Hillary to be the most knowledgeable and intelligent and Trump to bluster and stroke his own ego therefore it's unlikely that the debates will affect the election in any substantial way.

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One problem with the debates... (Original Post) Kablooie Sep 2016 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author kestrel91316 Sep 2016 #1
sadly the media has declared itself incompetent to evaluate on the basis of facts and such, unblock Sep 2016 #2
when's the last time before a debate that the media has NOT Gabi Hayes Sep 2016 #3
I swear I hadn't read your post before I posted mine. reflection Sep 2016 #13
you wouldn't believe all the inventions I've thought up, only Gabi Hayes Sep 2016 #15
His ignorance will be on show the whole time. anamandujano Sep 2016 #4
He will singing to the choir, with his ignornace. vinny9698 Sep 2016 #5
We are only hoping to connect with the normals. anamandujano Sep 2016 #8
His base is a small percentage of the electorate MoonRiver Sep 2016 #10
Ignorance is considered a virtue to Trump followers. Kablooie Sep 2016 #7
His followers are lost. Let them wallow while Hillary shines for the rest of the viewers. anamandujano Sep 2016 #9
He's never had to give long answers again and again- he can't do 44 minutes of zingers with no bettyellen Sep 2016 #6
I hope they make him Andy823 Sep 2016 #11
Yes, it's important to not only grade him on a curve but test him with a lower bar.... bettyellen Sep 2016 #19
My fear reflection Sep 2016 #12
lotta dems still looking for a reason to vote for hillary, or at least, mopinko Sep 2016 #14
it's sad to have to once again hold the nose and vote, but Gabi Hayes Sep 2016 #16
i wont be holding my nose, but mopinko Sep 2016 #17
with the current makeup of congress, the best to hope for, again, Gabi Hayes Sep 2016 #18

Response to Kablooie (Original post)

unblock

(52,257 posts)
2. sadly the media has declared itself incompetent to evaluate on the basis of facts and such,
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 10:42 PM
Sep 2016

so it will only pay attention to the bullying and the bragging and the zingers.

you're right, hillary can't improve her standing simply by showing off her eminent qualifications, rational thought process, and empathy for americans. she has to, metaphorically, pop the bully in the nose.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
3. when's the last time before a debate that the media has NOT
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 10:52 PM
Sep 2016

set it up to put the repub in the most salubrious position by setting the bar low, lower, lowest for the pub?

Bush I, Dole, Bush II both times, McCain, Romney, were all considered underdogs, and merely not vomiting all over themselves would render them the winners

and the aftermath of many of them, particularly that infamous orange Gore debate, actually claimed that the pub candidate did a better job.

wait til you see what the Fools for Scandal do with Trump's sure do be despicable performance

just ask Matt Lauer how he thinks Trump will do/has done

reflection

(6,286 posts)
13. I swear I hadn't read your post before I posted mine.
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 01:15 PM
Sep 2016

But the verbiage is almost the same. Funny how people think alike, even those who don't know each other.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
15. you wouldn't believe all the inventions I've thought up, only
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 01:55 PM
Sep 2016

to see others have stolen them before I came up with the idea myself

believe me; I have the best ideas!

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a38403/how-to-sound-like-donald-trump/

vinny9698

(1,016 posts)
5. He will singing to the choir, with his ignornace.
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 12:36 AM
Sep 2016

Unfortunately his supporters believe in the same nonsense. Trump knows his base very well and he plays to their biases and ignorance. But normal people will abhor his ignorance and basis.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
10. His base is a small percentage of the electorate
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 12:40 PM
Sep 2016

Stop worrying what those loser idiots think and do.

anamandujano

(7,004 posts)
9. His followers are lost. Let them wallow while Hillary shines for the rest of the viewers.
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 12:38 PM
Sep 2016

Of course it's going to be a challenge. Debating crazy is worse than debating stupid.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
6. He's never had to give long answers again and again- he can't do 44 minutes of zingers with no
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 01:51 AM
Sep 2016

Audience to play to. He's goes for laughs and applause. It's going to be really bizarre experience for him.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
11. I hope they make him
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 01:10 PM
Sep 2016

Actually answer questions in detail instead of giving the old "I have a plan, you will see, it's great", yet never give any details at all about those plans. If he is allowed to get away with his usual BS, I hope Hillary confronts him and pushes him for real answers.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
19. Yes, it's important to not only grade him on a curve but test him with a lower bar....
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 02:26 PM
Sep 2016

The effect is cumulative and unforgivable. I think the press maybe got the memo that there is no excuse for that shit. I hope so, anyway.

reflection

(6,286 posts)
12. My fear
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 01:14 PM
Sep 2016

is that the bar is set so god awfully low for Trump that if he manages to show up and not throw up all over his chest it will be tallied as a win for him and the fence sitters might fall his way.

I do hope that if he starts yelling and interrupting that Hillary says something to the effect of "wait your turn and use your inside voice, Donald." I think if Hillary speaks to him as an inferior without taking cheap shots he's liable to freak out, as it is clear he does not like being corrected by women.

mopinko

(70,135 posts)
14. lotta dems still looking for a reason to vote for hillary, or at least,
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 01:17 PM
Sep 2016

to feel better about voting for her. have had this conversation w a couple of berners. i think a strong performance, just the shocking comparison, side by side, will soothe a lot of consciences.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
16. it's sad to have to once again hold the nose and vote, but
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 01:58 PM
Sep 2016

this time, above all others (except, maybe 04, when everyone already knew what a disaster incumbent President Cheney was), how can any rational person even consider voting for a true madman with a demonstrably authoritarian worldview?

And president Pence will be even worse than Cheney was

mopinko

(70,135 posts)
17. i wont be holding my nose, but
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 02:06 PM
Sep 2016

yeah, it is tiring. especially after obama.

i firmly believe that, even if there are some things i dont think hillary will deliver, she will be a great president who will bring real change for the better.

no doubt drumph represents change, but it can only be change for the worse.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
18. with the current makeup of congress, the best to hope for, again,
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 02:12 PM
Sep 2016

is a holding action, possibly replete with exec orders.

also, look for an extended filibuster of whatever SCOTUS appointee appears on the horizon

it would be nice if what you hope for happened, but I just don't see it. outside the urban areas, it's all Deliveranceville

I went to college in downstate ILL and IND.

just amazingly benighted, mired in the past, for the most part

I know....blah blah about supercilious superiority complex, etc., but stereotypes exist for a reason

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