2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThat was the craziest fucking thing I have ever seen
How anyone can not vote for Hillary after that is just gobsmacking to me.
calimary
(81,323 posts)LeftRant
(524 posts)" Note to the people causing the polls to fluctuate: What the fuck is wrong with you? I gotta meet the five percent of people who saw Hillary come down with pneumonia and were like, Forget her, gimme the dictator with dryer lint hair.)"
HAHAHAHAHA!
EDIT: Jesus, that was brutal. I can't say I disagree one bit though. Debating whether to share on FB...
Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)This line made me laugh the most.
"You are handing the most important job on Earth to Napoleon from Animal Farm"
Four legs good, two legs bad...
niyad
(113,383 posts)calimary
(81,323 posts)I love it so much I've left it open in a tab on my laptop - for several days now.
It just spoke for me like little else - and also underscored what my own complaints were to a good friend, recently. How I, too, fault THE VOTERS for shoving this asshole in our faces. THE VOTERS! They who somehow, inexplicably, find this FREAK to be presidential material. How they can possibly see him as fit to be President of the United States - is just completely beyond me. Does Not Compute! Are they BLIND???? Or blind, deaf, and mute? Are they SO ensconced in their bubble world - do they cling to their bubble world - so desperately that they find an individual like Donald Trump acceptable for PRESIDENT?????????? I am forced at that point to ask - what the fuck - to, and about, THEM.
He's not the biggest problem here. THEY are. He wouldn't be where he is, a Presidential nominee, if not for THEM. So THEY are the ones who have to be looked at, closely, and questioned, and held accountable, too.
Btw - my friend faulted me for this. Told me I was too good and kind a person to go there. Well, my friend is in error on this one. I find Trump supporters DEPLORABLE. I just do. What the hell they see in him that they think makes him presidential material just completely escapes me. What they somehow see as presidential material would be CATASTROPHIC for this country, and the rest of the world, also.
Here ya go:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512448046
niyad
(113,383 posts)JDC
(10,129 posts)calimary
(81,323 posts)Agreed! I read that and came away in a better mood. Sometimes when one feels strongly about something, at least I myself feel hesitant about going with that too vehemently. And I do feel awfully strongly about this. I find I hold that contingent responsible for a lot of the badness that's metastasizing throughout our country.
It's these low-information voters, these willfully ignorant voters - who've been encouraged, conditioned, and reinforced in refusing to believe facts, science, reality, and truth. Some 30+ years of indoctrination starting during the reagan era, when the broadcasting industry started being deregulated, and ownership was allowed to expand, so corporations greedily gobbled up every radio and TV property they could somehow leverage to purchase, to assemble astounding media empires. Then they found the perfect mouthpiece who was trying something different to make a name for himself after a lackluster DJ career, by blathering CON crap at a little station in Sacramento. And they made rush limbaugh a star. And as he gained more success, he was cloned by others wanting in on that action.
He gave A VOICE to the miscreants and Bronze-Age thinkers and racists and others who had been forced to keep their shit locked up in the closet away from polite company, because you really couldn't say stuff like that out in the open, much less be proud of it. He brought all that shit out of the closet and put it on the air from coast-to-coast, so you finally COULD be out and proud about it, and you didn't have to mumble it to yourself in the shadows or keep it to yourself at family get-togethers. Now, it was okay. Now it was respectable. Now it had acceptability. Now it COULD be stated out loud, in public. And you didn't have to hide it or make excuses for it or pretend you didn't believe that stuff. Now you could. And it was okay. And you could share it with others who were emerging from the underbelly because THEY could be out an proud of it, too. And you found that you had many champions - who were not only on the radio and on this terrific cable network called Fox "News" that repeated and further reinforced YOUR views. but also running for office. You had your own world, for Pete's sake!
I think that's how it all started. The OBGYN was Lewis Powell (who would eventually wind up on the Supreme Court - thank you Richard Nixon) who wrote a blueprint for the US Chamber of Commerce for combating what they saw as a serious social, cultural, economic, and policy threat from the Left.
http://reclaimdemocracy.org/powell_memo_lewis/
The midwife was Ronald Reagan - the actor-turned-corporate-spokesman-turned-politician who rose to the highest height of all and could start implementing the plans - because of his unique ability AS a spokesman, how he could turn a phrase and deliver lines and make it all sound SOOOOOOOOOOO appealing and all-American and apple pie and all that.
And if you can get rid of all the regulations and government restrictions - you can build an infrastructure that delivers and reinforces the message, with impunity, a free open road to drive the rest of us through the unfettered free market greed-jungle straight to Hell.
I'm angry about that. I'm angry about how many patsies they found and exploited. How many of the low-info voters out there are just patsies - used to advance the "greater objective" because by now they're conditioned by this house of mirrors that the far right was able to build, that tells them this shit they've embraced in the closet, but polite society has always discouraged and regarded as something bad, is actually good. And okay. And within YOUR RIGHTS! That's how we got the teabaggers. That's how we got a guy like Donald Trump who says out loud that political correctness is bad and wrong and it's okay to be out 'n' proud against THAT, too. It's OKAY for you to say those nasty racist misogynist jingoistic things because it's okay to think and believe those things. Because those things are actually RIGHT.
That's where we are now. And the voters on the far right and the alt right now have their champion who tells them their anger - and resentment and racism and sexism and hatred and resentment of everybody who doesn't look like them, and their fear that those "Others" are multiplying and taking over "their" America - is okay and understandable and good and right. And justified. And he says he alone can fix all that.
This is where it's led. And this is where these assholes have ALLOWED THEMSELVES to be led. They WANT to believe the lies, because those lies reinforce the bullshit and lies and cockeyed world-view they've believed all along. And I have no respect or sympathy for these assholes. When you WANT to be ill-informed. When you WANT to reject truth because it defies the bubble-world lies you've lived with so comfortably and from which you've been able to remain so well-insulated.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)All of it is wonderful, and expresses exactly what I'm feeling right now. It was hard to choose, but my favorite paragraphs:
You know what? No, shes not. Shes fine. I lived through one Clinton, and I can live through another. My reasons for hating Trump are better than your reasons for hating Hillary. Show me all the arguments against her you like. You guys dont give a shit about facts and research when it comes to Trump, so Im not gonna give a shit about whatever clumsy meme you cook up to explain why she did Benghazi. Nope. Sorry. Fuck your arguments, and fuck you. Trump has shown no respect for anyone, so I dont see why you deserve any either. Whatever mildly frustrating centrist liberal bureaucracy that Hillary presides over will be fine compared to the spray tan mushroom cloud that would arise all because YOU thought Trump was such a brave, un-PC dickhead to everyone within shouting distance.
Thanks, Calimary!
calimary
(81,323 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Trump is a total clown, lying asshole
ffr
(22,671 posts)He was a blubbering world salad shooter tonight. A completely off the rails train wreck.
She bolstered and inspired.
He did real damage to his campaign.
woolldog
(8,791 posts)is having a meltdown. lol
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)if you have time
woolldog
(8,791 posts)woolldog
(8,791 posts)Holy shit Hillary doesn't even have to speak now, it's trump vs moderator.
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Clinton is just sitting their watching him meltdown. She is loving it.
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quoting another poster: "Can we revote and bring back Cruz or Christie? Either would have destroyed Hillary tonight. This is embarrassing and getting worse. Trump should just cancel the other two debates because he is not capable of improving."
No. we blew it. No do overs. We made our bed. Time to lay in it. 300 EC votes minimum for her.
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jesus shes just throat fvcking him at this point. gotdamn it don.
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Hoping Assange has something good to release in Oct...otherwise we are fvcked.
Well, we are fvcked in any event.
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The best thing she can do at this point is just walk off the stage and let him keep talking.
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The moderator just laughed at him.
Cruz, Rubio and Kasich are sitting somewhere sipping on good scotch sayin "fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck"
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My friend and FORMER Trumper is leaving for our fav bar.......................this is to funny to leave. This is a INSTANT CLASSIC.
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Trump just went full potato. Good god that was ugly. I think he will need to be checked for mental stability after the debate ends.
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Best method for killing myself? What a shit show
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Unless he becomes an entirely different person, this is over. We are all the real losers here.
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Good thing for Trump is there are still 6 weeks until the election.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)woolldog
(8,791 posts)3catwoman3
(24,007 posts)Absolutely delicious!
woolldog
(8,791 posts)She just obliterated him
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Whew. I expected a lot more from Donald. Not sure why but this is ugly.
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I can't believe yokels gave us this clown.
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quoting another poster: "we were just saying it was like the first Rocky. got to the 10th round and just trading blows, except this time ROcky took his pants off and ran around the ring in the 15th"
i mean. its an interesting strategy. no one wants to fight a crazy person
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Little doubt in my mind I could do a better job than Trump right now....solely based on the beliefs of this board. I could deliver it much better, and drill this cvnt into the abyss.
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quoting another poster: "why the fck he didnt bring up hillary against coal to wrap up PA vote is soooo beyond comprehension to me."
He's not prepared
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Even Jeb would have done better, this is sad.
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is it finally time to admit that hillary is the gotdamn bauce out of these two? trump's entire allure and mystique has been shattered tonight.
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Holy shit Trump is a complete loon. Hahaha
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Meanwhile she's proving the stamina by running laps around him. Jesus
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White males are ****ed. It's been a nice run.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)mountain grammy
(26,626 posts)relayerbob
(6,544 posts)PRICELESS!!
GoCubsGo
(32,086 posts)Only by each other, buddy.
That comment speaks volumes about these guys. Why do they think they are fucked? I know they are big on retribution. Do they think women and minorities are going to treat them the same way they treat these groups as they gain power and status in this society? Perhaps if you assholes had treated women and non-white people with respect and decency all these centuries, you wouldn't have to worry about anyone being vindictive toward you.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)Hahahahahahaaaa!! So true!
Ligyron
(7,636 posts)It should def be on The Greatest Sub-Thread Page.
If only such a thing existed...
Raster
(20,998 posts)klook
(12,158 posts)isn't it Potatoe?
Raster
(20,998 posts)klook
(12,158 posts)"What a waste it is to lose one's mind." -- a quote with which Trump can identify
Ligyron
(7,636 posts)I miss that guy! Best thing on FB. Him and Beaks McEagle, which is no doubt one of his alter egos along with Duke Rollins, etc.
Wonder if he died, I know he had a brain tumor.
Laser102
(816 posts)woolldog
(8,791 posts)and growing.
schadenfreude at its best!
3catwoman3
(24,007 posts)...have a link?
woolldog
(8,791 posts)white_wolf
(6,238 posts)Sunny05
(865 posts)Hekate
(90,719 posts)woolldog
(8,791 posts)quoting another poster: "She's not a "bause." She's just beating up on a one limbed crippled retard."
This. Her simple strategy to bait him and watch him unravel was as simple as setting a mouse trap. And it worked way too easily.
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Look at Bill.
"Where are the balloons? I was told there'd be balloons!"
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After that shitshow it's clear Trump is done. The bitch destroyed him
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What a cluster f*k that whole thing was. Was hoping Trump would do better but his ego is too big.
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I can't imagine a single undecided voter could decide to vote for Trump after watching that. He was shockingly bad.
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Still time for the Trump voters to redeem themselves by committing mass suicide.
You pieces of shit are responsible for this. Do the honorable thing and slice your wrists open in shame tonight.
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Clinton wins and it was a bloodbath
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quoting another poster: "If Trump is getting creamed on [this board] it's a bloodbath nationally."
I'm in class for a few more minutes. Recording the debate at home to watch after while. Read/skimmed over the first 20 pages (starting at the point where the debate actually started), and this post is exactly my sentiment. I'm not a huge Trump guy, but I absolutely loathe Hillary. I'm very worried after reading the first 20 pages of this thread. If [this board] is saying that Trump is a blubbering idiot and is blowing the debate... it must be BAD.
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Anyone notice Trump shook all of his kids hands except the ugly one?
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mountain grammy
(26,626 posts)obamanut2012
(26,082 posts)GummyBearz
(2,931 posts)Response to GummyBearz (Reply #45)
woolldog This message was self-deleted by its author.
woolldog
(8,791 posts)Kennah
(14,276 posts)LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,586 posts)when Secretary Clinton wiped the floor with Donald Trump's ass?"
JHB
(37,161 posts)...or make up a massive conspiracy as to why anything caused it except the obvious.
BigDemVoter
(4,150 posts)I knew that his supporters were loony tunes, but I can't say I could ever take a Trump supporter seriously after THIS.
obamanut2012
(26,082 posts)A very educated woman who is pretty conservative, but not a racist, xenophobe, anti-LGBT, etc. I would understand if she was voting for Rubio, even though he's awful, or McCain or even W, but TRUMP?!
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)racism and sexism, apparently.
Raster
(20,998 posts)....to be POTUS. Simply put: A Trump presidency would be a clear and present danger to this country. There is no other conclusion that a thinking, rational person can reach.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)Doctor Jack
(3,072 posts)And that was nothing compared to Trumps performance tonight. It takes a lot to get my jaw to drop. It happened at least 3 times tonight. That was a violent mess of a debate performance.
And in case you are wondering, the guy on the motorcycle was pissed and sore but otherwise fine.
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)You win.
flt rsk
(92 posts)Today, during rush hour, I saw a man texting, while riding a motorcycle.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)fishwax
(29,149 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)I think, and most rational sane people agree, that he's an asshole and a buffoon.
obamanut2012
(26,082 posts)Including some Johnson and Stein voters.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)world wide wally
(21,745 posts)CNN focus group in f 20 "undecideds". Hillary 18. Trump2
CNN poll: Hillary 62 %. Trump 27%
Second focus group: Hillry over Trump 16-6
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)Initech
(100,081 posts)I wanted to do this:
Hey Donald, you know how many jobs the wealthy have created? About the same amount as you donated to your own foundation - ZERO!!!!
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)womanofthehills
(8,721 posts)many of them had to turn off the debate, they couldn't watch it - some were saying why didn't he prepare? Why is he so emotional?
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,013 posts)obamanut2012
(26,082 posts)not fooled
(5,801 posts)Guess you weren't able to coach Don the Moron Con after all.
Couldn't happen to a couple of bigger a-holes.
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)LeftRant
(524 posts)Imagine my joy
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)#debatenight the new sweaty Nixon or the cokehead?
Best tweet: Jerry Springer @jerryspringer
Hillary Clinton belongs in the White House. Donald Trump belongs on my show.
obamanut2012
(26,082 posts)womanofthehills
(8,721 posts)It should be fun too!
obamanut2012
(26,082 posts)He is good at it in an intellectual/academic way, and also good at it in a good ol' boy way.
Rezzi1945
(16 posts)the Rs message is that of fear while Dems at least try to give hope and provide action plans. as long as tim kaine sticks to the programs and attack the non existence of them on the part of the Rs, he should be doing ok.
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)They are either crazy, delusional, half bright or som combo of all those traits. Or not nuts republicans who will be proving they would have voted for Charlie Manson if he was heading the ticket.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)my husband showed me a Facebook post from someone he went to high school with. A woman...a woman!...seriously posted, "Well that's it. Hillary's lost my vote. What a liar!"
Are you fucking kidding me?!?!?!?!?!?
obamanut2012
(26,082 posts)How in the world did she get THAT from the debate?!
Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)My jaw literally dropped open when he showed it to me. Literally! (and I hate how that word is over used and misused)
I truly cannot fathom how anyone could sit through that and come to the conclusion Secretary Clinton wasn't presidential material. Boggles the mind!!!!!
obamanut2012
(26,082 posts)And am wondering if she was lying ie was never going to vote for HRC, and wanted to gaslight.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)And don't want to. LOL!
mcar
(42,334 posts)Portland_Anni
(164 posts)Rezzi1945
(16 posts)having watched the first debate, i hope the Dems will all unite and vote for HRC on.nov 8. and hopefully the independents will finally wake up from their idealist dream and vote for.her as well...
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)all costs. I have asked all Trump supporters and fringe-party voters to leave my friends list. I no longer wish to have anything to do with any of them. The stakes are that high.