2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumOne thing from last night that raised my eyebrows but people aren't talking about.
When Hillary brought up his housing discrimination lawsuit, he bragged that he was able to settle it without admission of guilt. He didn't actually say, no, we weren't discriminating, it was like he was boasting about how good he is at settling lawsuits.
And then he went on to talk about another property of his where he didn't discriminate. Which seemed weird. Like he wanted a trophy because, this one time, he was able to avoid discriminating against minorities. As in "I'm such a great businessman, I get away with housing discrimination by weaseling out of lawsuits, but there's more! I own this one property where I didn't even have to discriminate at all!"
liberal N proud
(60,338 posts)But I did notice that as well.
It was like the I'm smart comment with not paying any taxes.
Snake Plissken
(4,103 posts)He's basically admitting his attorneys believe there is information in there which can open him up to criminal or civil litigation
retrowire
(10,345 posts)lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)renate
(13,776 posts)I was too busy focusing on how he's still trying to convince everybody that you can't release your taxes during an audit even though that has been debunked a thousand times. But you're right--that was either a meta-lie or an outright admission.
spiderpig
(10,419 posts)and victimizing other people really turns him on.
Sociopath.
flygal
(3,231 posts)which will only make his base even more swoony for him.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)So he allows blacks and Hispanics to pay $200k per year to join his club, wow, he's not racist
lunatica
(53,410 posts)hatrack
(59,587 posts)I mean, that's like bragging that I took my car in to have the tires rotated, and I persuaded them to tighten the lug nuts as part of their service.
God, I'm an awesome negotiator!
DanTex
(20,709 posts)wordpix
(18,652 posts)C_U_L8R
(45,003 posts)No admission of guilt, my ass.
Trumplives in a world of privilege that others don't
He paid the fine and was allowed to move on (with getting shot, mind you)
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retrowire
(10,345 posts)"I built a club and all races enjoy it so I'm not racist"
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)It's not surprising any more, really.
elias7
(4,010 posts)when she had just talked about respecting the law
karynnj
(59,504 posts)Just like the witches of old, Trump seems to believe that the incantation of these special phrases - exactly as prescribed - will cure great problems. Apparently saying "Law and Order" is different than HRC's substantive description of steps that communities and police departments can take to get the better results that Trump wants to create by illegal actions and magic words.
This is just like "Radical Islamic terrorism" -- where just saying terrorism will not end it, but that phrase uttered by a US President magically will.
mcar
(42,334 posts)karynnj
(59,504 posts)It notes that even back then, he prided himself on saying he never conceded he did anything wrong.. However, as in many of those cases, they agreed to change practices and to provide reports for his properties to show that the number of minorities rose. Even then, the NYT goes further to say that the company allowed blacks in 2 properties and not in others and they allowed the services and property in the ones with blacks to decline -- ie he became a slum lord.
Here's the link -
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/28/us/politics/donald-trump-housing-race.html?_r=0
As to the other property where he did not discriminate -- that was a surreal comment. Imagine a small child being admonished for coloring on the walls, pointing to one wall he did not color on to diffuse that he actually did color on the other ones.
3catwoman3
(24,007 posts)That is about the level on which Trump functions - no insult to small children intended. We expect them to be immature.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)-Steph-
(409 posts)He nearly came right out and said it wasn't that big of a deal because he didn't admit guilt and it wasn't just his company discriminating against minorities, it was a whole slew of companies doing it. As if somehow that makes it not as bad? To me, it really drove home Hillary's point about systematic racism.
When he started carrying on about having one property that doesn't discriminate, as if it's the only one he's ever owned that doesn't.. it was so bizarre to me.
The entire exchange, from refusing to flat out deny the allegations, to wanting a pat on the back for having one property in decades that doesn't discriminate was right up there as one of the biggest jaw-dropping moments of the night for me.
wryter2000
(46,051 posts)It's no biggie he didn't admit guilt. That's how settlements usually go.
unblock
(52,258 posts)an innocent person might have said "i didn't discriminate, the lawsuit was without merit, but i settled it to make it go away."
only a guilty person would say "i settled it with no admission of guilt." he's boasting that he negotiated the "no admission of guilt" clause into the settlement. that may be an achievement for someone who's guilty, but it would not seem noteworthy to someone who's innocent.
note that he didn't deny actually doing any wrongdoing, he only said the settlement had that clause.
Botany
(70,522 posts).... tries to say that he didn't do anything wrong.
wiggs
(7,814 posts)foreign policy...in which Trump offers USA military protection for those countries who pay. A mobster protection racket, IOW. Missed opportunity for her not to point it out, but amazing pundits didn't see it for how Trump wants to conduct military operations as though they are for sale to the highest bidder.
anamandujano
(7,004 posts)the only time it was invoked was after 9/11 when they all stood with us and helped. She said she would guarantee that we would always be there for them. She had all the names, numbers and facts.
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)yurbud
(39,405 posts)Nitram
(22,822 posts)resemble that of a very young child.
jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)I'm a good businessman because I can cheat and get away with it. Everything comes back to that. He doesn't see it as an ethical problem, he's proud of it. It's also why he thinks cheating on his taxes makes him "smart".
CincyDem
(6,364 posts)I recall an interview, or a debate rambling, where he said 'I never ever settle". He went on to explain how once you settle, then everyone starts to see you as an ATM and they come after you.
How's that fit with "we settled".
He is such an asshat.
Saviolo
(3,282 posts)Who happens to be a black man, that he didn't know what he was talking about re: stop and frisk.
Really Donny? You don't think that's something that Lester Holt may have some insight into?
It's not like he had many POC votes to lose, but I feel like he must've been bleeding them steadily for much of last night.
Martin Eden
(12,872 posts)Also on the subject of Trump's racism, the question he needed to be hammered with on the birther issue is What new information caused you to change your mind just recently?
He kept re-characterizing his birther claim as a "great job" in forcing Obama to produce his birth certificate, but that was back in 2011.
Why did you keep promoting the racist lie in 2012?
Why did you keep promoting the racist lie in 2013?
Why did you keep promoting the racist lie in 2014?
Why did you keep promoting the racist lie in 2015?
Wounded Bear
(58,670 posts)but always wins them.
Laser102
(816 posts)No apologies. No shame. Pride in not paying a penalty for his discrimination. What a complete ass. No one in the media is jumping on this.
BSdetect
(8,998 posts)Oh drumph, you are a fountain of spoof.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)When Hillary said he won't show us his tax returns and was speculating that maybe it's because he doesn't pay any federal taxes he leaned forward to the mic and said it's because he's smart. "That makes me smart." or "That means I'm smart".
toddwv
(2,830 posts)I think many people did notice.