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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 08:07 AM Sep 2016

One thing from last night that raised my eyebrows but people aren't talking about.

When Hillary brought up his housing discrimination lawsuit, he bragged that he was able to settle it without admission of guilt. He didn't actually say, no, we weren't discriminating, it was like he was boasting about how good he is at settling lawsuits.

And then he went on to talk about another property of his where he didn't discriminate. Which seemed weird. Like he wanted a trophy because, this one time, he was able to avoid discriminating against minorities. As in "I'm such a great businessman, I get away with housing discrimination by weaseling out of lawsuits, but there's more! I own this one property where I didn't even have to discriminate at all!"

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One thing from last night that raised my eyebrows but people aren't talking about. (Original Post) DanTex Sep 2016 OP
There were so many gaffs that you just can't cover all of them liberal N proud Sep 2016 #1
What raised by eyebrow is Trump claiming his attorneys advised him not to release his tax returns Snake Plissken Sep 2016 #2
Bingo. nt retrowire Sep 2016 #10
This is the most glaring issue from the debate, this admission. lonestarnot Sep 2016 #15
I missed that! renate Sep 2016 #39
He's so proud of his magnificent wonderfulness, spiderpig Sep 2016 #3
The property he was bragging about is in the "richest area in the WORLD" flygal Sep 2016 #4
Even Bill Kristol was laughing about that , Palm beach wordpix Sep 2016 #21
It's more like he allows them to be waiters, housecleaners, groundskeepers, cooks and such lunatica Sep 2016 #31
Isn't avoiding admissions of guilt SOP for settlements? hatrack Sep 2016 #5
Yes, that's the whole deal, you pay the fine, don't admit guilt. DanTex Sep 2016 #6
For sure his settlement was used as a tax deduction wordpix Sep 2016 #22
It also sounded like something only rich guys get C_U_L8R Sep 2016 #7
lol yeah retrowire Sep 2016 #8
The media remains AWOL on following up on Trump's negatives. BobbyDrake Sep 2016 #9
Another was Trump stating she wouldn't say the words law & order elias7 Sep 2016 #11
I think that was Republican magic phrases karynnj Sep 2016 #14
It was brought up at the CNN after party mcar Sep 2016 #12
The NYT article is well worth reading karynnj Sep 2016 #13
Oh, that is a brilliant analogy. 3catwoman3 Sep 2016 #28
Not to mention at the age they are likely to do that, they are adorably cute - unlike DT nt karynnj Sep 2016 #37
I was in complete shock at his response to the housing discrimination lawsuits... -Steph- Sep 2016 #16
That's standard in settlements wryter2000 Sep 2016 #17
the issue isn't settling with no admission of guilt. the issue is he boasted about that clause unblock Sep 2016 #29
Trump paid the largest fine ever for housing discrimination to the D.O.J. and he is still ..... Botany Sep 2016 #18
I wish there would be more discussion of the stunning Trump Doctrine of wiggs Sep 2016 #19
At one point she talked about a treaty with our allies, I believe a 30 yr old treaty, saying that anamandujano Sep 2016 #40
Settlement papers for housing discrimination and/or discrimination lawsuits DonViejo Sep 2016 #20
like the Klansman who said, "We chased one black family out of town without burning a single cross" yurbud Sep 2016 #23
Trumps' inner dialog just leaks out all the time, making his speech... Nitram Sep 2016 #24
Its his whole schtick jcgoldie Sep 2016 #25
How does this fit with "I never, ever settle". CincyDem Sep 2016 #26
He also told the moderator Saviolo Sep 2016 #27
Yes, he's so proud that he actually owns a property where he doesn't discriminate! Martin Eden Sep 2016 #30
IIRC, he bragged at least once that he "never settles" lawsuits... Wounded Bear Sep 2016 #32
I'm glad you brought that up DanTex. I was shocked at his attitude. No one followed it up. Laser102 Sep 2016 #33
Just so many follow ups available for new ad campaigns BSdetect Sep 2016 #34
Oh, no, you're wrong. That was his faulty mic that said that. nt Ilsa Sep 2016 #35
He did the same thing about not paying taxes lunatica Sep 2016 #36
He did that a lot. toddwv Sep 2016 #38

liberal N proud

(60,338 posts)
1. There were so many gaffs that you just can't cover all of them
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 08:08 AM
Sep 2016

But I did notice that as well.

It was like the I'm smart comment with not paying any taxes.

Snake Plissken

(4,103 posts)
2. What raised by eyebrow is Trump claiming his attorneys advised him not to release his tax returns
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 08:12 AM
Sep 2016

He's basically admitting his attorneys believe there is information in there which can open him up to criminal or civil litigation

renate

(13,776 posts)
39. I missed that!
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 12:30 PM
Sep 2016

I was too busy focusing on how he's still trying to convince everybody that you can't release your taxes during an audit even though that has been debunked a thousand times. But you're right--that was either a meta-lie or an outright admission.

spiderpig

(10,419 posts)
3. He's so proud of his magnificent wonderfulness,
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 08:12 AM
Sep 2016

and victimizing other people really turns him on.

Sociopath.

flygal

(3,231 posts)
4. The property he was bragging about is in the "richest area in the WORLD"
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 08:15 AM
Sep 2016

which will only make his base even more swoony for him.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
21. Even Bill Kristol was laughing about that , Palm beach
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 09:41 AM
Sep 2016

So he allows blacks and Hispanics to pay $200k per year to join his club, wow, he's not racist

hatrack

(59,587 posts)
5. Isn't avoiding admissions of guilt SOP for settlements?
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 08:15 AM
Sep 2016

I mean, that's like bragging that I took my car in to have the tires rotated, and I persuaded them to tighten the lug nuts as part of their service.

God, I'm an awesome negotiator!

C_U_L8R

(45,003 posts)
7. It also sounded like something only rich guys get
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 08:24 AM
Sep 2016

No admission of guilt, my ass.
Trumplives in a world of privilege that others don't
He paid the fine and was allowed to move on (with getting shot, mind you)
.

elias7

(4,010 posts)
11. Another was Trump stating she wouldn't say the words law & order
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 08:57 AM
Sep 2016

when she had just talked about respecting the law

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
14. I think that was Republican magic phrases
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 09:20 AM
Sep 2016

Just like the witches of old, Trump seems to believe that the incantation of these special phrases - exactly as prescribed - will cure great problems. Apparently saying "Law and Order" is different than HRC's substantive description of steps that communities and police departments can take to get the better results that Trump wants to create by illegal actions and magic words.

This is just like "Radical Islamic terrorism" -- where just saying terrorism will not end it, but that phrase uttered by a US President magically will.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
13. The NYT article is well worth reading
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 09:14 AM
Sep 2016

It notes that even back then, he prided himself on saying he never conceded he did anything wrong.. However, as in many of those cases, they agreed to change practices and to provide reports for his properties to show that the number of minorities rose. Even then, the NYT goes further to say that the company allowed blacks in 2 properties and not in others and they allowed the services and property in the ones with blacks to decline -- ie he became a slum lord.

Here's the link -
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/28/us/politics/donald-trump-housing-race.html?_r=0

As to the other property where he did not discriminate -- that was a surreal comment. Imagine a small child being admonished for coloring on the walls, pointing to one wall he did not color on to diffuse that he actually did color on the other ones.

3catwoman3

(24,007 posts)
28. Oh, that is a brilliant analogy.
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 10:25 AM
Sep 2016

That is about the level on which Trump functions - no insult to small children intended. We expect them to be immature.

-Steph-

(409 posts)
16. I was in complete shock at his response to the housing discrimination lawsuits...
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 09:28 AM
Sep 2016

He nearly came right out and said it wasn't that big of a deal because he didn't admit guilt and it wasn't just his company discriminating against minorities, it was a whole slew of companies doing it. As if somehow that makes it not as bad? To me, it really drove home Hillary's point about systematic racism.

When he started carrying on about having one property that doesn't discriminate, as if it's the only one he's ever owned that doesn't.. it was so bizarre to me.

The entire exchange, from refusing to flat out deny the allegations, to wanting a pat on the back for having one property in decades that doesn't discriminate was right up there as one of the biggest jaw-dropping moments of the night for me.

wryter2000

(46,051 posts)
17. That's standard in settlements
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 09:29 AM
Sep 2016

It's no biggie he didn't admit guilt. That's how settlements usually go.

unblock

(52,258 posts)
29. the issue isn't settling with no admission of guilt. the issue is he boasted about that clause
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 10:32 AM
Sep 2016

an innocent person might have said "i didn't discriminate, the lawsuit was without merit, but i settled it to make it go away."

only a guilty person would say "i settled it with no admission of guilt." he's boasting that he negotiated the "no admission of guilt" clause into the settlement. that may be an achievement for someone who's guilty, but it would not seem noteworthy to someone who's innocent.

note that he didn't deny actually doing any wrongdoing, he only said the settlement had that clause.

Botany

(70,522 posts)
18. Trump paid the largest fine ever for housing discrimination to the D.O.J. and he is still .....
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 09:30 AM
Sep 2016

.... tries to say that he didn't do anything wrong.

wiggs

(7,814 posts)
19. I wish there would be more discussion of the stunning Trump Doctrine of
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 09:33 AM
Sep 2016

foreign policy...in which Trump offers USA military protection for those countries who pay. A mobster protection racket, IOW. Missed opportunity for her not to point it out, but amazing pundits didn't see it for how Trump wants to conduct military operations as though they are for sale to the highest bidder.

anamandujano

(7,004 posts)
40. At one point she talked about a treaty with our allies, I believe a 30 yr old treaty, saying that
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 03:39 PM
Sep 2016

the only time it was invoked was after 9/11 when they all stood with us and helped. She said she would guarantee that we would always be there for them. She had all the names, numbers and facts.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
20. Settlement papers for housing discrimination and/or discrimination lawsuits
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 09:34 AM
Sep 2016
always carry the line that the offending party is not acknowledging/admitting guilt; just settling the case.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
23. like the Klansman who said, "We chased one black family out of town without burning a single cross"
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 09:57 AM
Sep 2016

Nitram

(22,822 posts)
24. Trumps' inner dialog just leaks out all the time, making his speech...
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 09:57 AM
Sep 2016

resemble that of a very young child.

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
25. Its his whole schtick
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 09:59 AM
Sep 2016

I'm a good businessman because I can cheat and get away with it. Everything comes back to that. He doesn't see it as an ethical problem, he's proud of it. It's also why he thinks cheating on his taxes makes him "smart".

CincyDem

(6,364 posts)
26. How does this fit with "I never, ever settle".
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 10:04 AM
Sep 2016


I recall an interview, or a debate rambling, where he said 'I never ever settle". He went on to explain how once you settle, then everyone starts to see you as an ATM and they come after you.

How's that fit with "we settled".

He is such an asshat.

Saviolo

(3,282 posts)
27. He also told the moderator
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 10:08 AM
Sep 2016

Who happens to be a black man, that he didn't know what he was talking about re: stop and frisk.

Really Donny? You don't think that's something that Lester Holt may have some insight into?

It's not like he had many POC votes to lose, but I feel like he must've been bleeding them steadily for much of last night.

Martin Eden

(12,872 posts)
30. Yes, he's so proud that he actually owns a property where he doesn't discriminate!
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 10:34 AM
Sep 2016

Also on the subject of Trump's racism, the question he needed to be hammered with on the birther issue is What new information caused you to change your mind just recently?

He kept re-characterizing his birther claim as a "great job" in forcing Obama to produce his birth certificate, but that was back in 2011.
Why did you keep promoting the racist lie in 2012?
Why did you keep promoting the racist lie in 2013?
Why did you keep promoting the racist lie in 2014?
Why did you keep promoting the racist lie in 2015?

Laser102

(816 posts)
33. I'm glad you brought that up DanTex. I was shocked at his attitude. No one followed it up.
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 10:45 AM
Sep 2016

No apologies. No shame. Pride in not paying a penalty for his discrimination. What a complete ass. No one in the media is jumping on this.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
36. He did the same thing about not paying taxes
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 11:32 AM
Sep 2016

When Hillary said he won't show us his tax returns and was speculating that maybe it's because he doesn't pay any federal taxes he leaned forward to the mic and said it's because he's smart. "That makes me smart." or "That means I'm smart".

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