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anneboleyn

(5,611 posts)
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 07:42 PM Sep 2016

Trump just said Hillary failed the DC bar exam. And he uses the "fire Marshall" story at EVERY RALLY

At every rally, Trump claims that the "Fire Marshall" won't allow in "thousands and thousands" of people. His fixation with his stupid rallies is just so pathetic; it is actually very childlike. I find it very hard to believe that the evil "Fire Marshall" is refusing to allow in thousands of extra Trumpers. Trump always then makes a big show of "telling" the "Fire Marshall" to "let them in!" Dutifully, the crowd starts chanting "let them in! Let them in!"

It is pathetic. And now he is taking pure cheap shots at Clinton (after he claimed that all the polls said he won the debate -- the online polls that he always believes) -- I have never heard about the DC bar exam but the idea that Clinton is anything short of brilliant, with outstanding academic credentials, is just ridiculous. Trump is so insecure that he spent years saying blatantly false statements that he was "first in his class at Wharton" etc. First, Trump was an undergrad at Penn in the undergrad business program that existed then; he was NOT part of the Wharton MBA program. He never obtained an MBA. He loves to mislead low-information voters about this -- so many of them think that Trump has an MBA from Wharton and is "like really brilliant." And of course Trump was not first in his class (or even close).

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Trump just said Hillary failed the DC bar exam. And he uses the "fire Marshall" story at EVERY RALLY (Original Post) anneboleyn Sep 2016 OP
Full of Stunts! to diverge from debate failure! Madam45for2923 Sep 2016 #1
Exactly! Thank goodness media is not falling for it YET helpisontheway Sep 2016 #7
Yup. It is the same stunt his surrogates pull EVERY time -- they shout "but Hillary..." So painfully anneboleyn Sep 2016 #11
What are you going to do with low information voters? HipChick Sep 2016 #2
Donald Trump is full of shit. C_U_L8R Sep 2016 #3
Trump cannot pass Wharton MBA, I know how taxing the program is... He is a cheapshot. MyNameIsKhan Sep 2016 #4
I know -- he was in an undergrad program. He lets everyone think he has an MBA from Wharton anneboleyn Sep 2016 #10
She did fail the DC Bar Exam. madaboutharry Sep 2016 #5
MANY people don't pass the first time. Can happen for many reasons. She passed in AR and certainly RBInMaine Sep 2016 #17
I agree, madaboutharry Sep 2016 #19
Lots of people do because they don't teach the content in law school. pnwmom Sep 2016 #18
it was pointed out in this community (where he had the elevator encounter and blasted the local niyad Sep 2016 #6
Yes, great point. He does it all the time, and it is such a pathetic "look how popular I am!" anneboleyn Sep 2016 #8
touching the robes of the prophet, eh? niyad Sep 2016 #12
It's Creflo Dollar, except the Rev. has better taste in clothes . . . hatrack Sep 2016 #14
it is almost beyond comprehension. niyad Sep 2016 #16
It's true oberliner Sep 2016 #9
Her bar exam instructor used out of date materials Cicada Sep 2016 #13
Me too! Find it funny and endearing! Madam45for2923 Sep 2016 #37
So what? There are TONS of reasons why a very smart person doesn't pass the first time. She DID RBInMaine Sep 2016 #20
I know and I agree -- Trump could never have passed the bar so as usual his arrogance anneboleyn Sep 2016 #21
Makes no difference to me oberliner Sep 2016 #28
I agree that in no way proves a thing treestar Sep 2016 #35
It's also true that 46% of first time takers fail the D.C. exam Tempest Sep 2016 #23
Not among those who graduated from Yale Law School oberliner Sep 2016 #29
Have you a citation on Yale graduate failure rates? Tempest Sep 2016 #40
Check out this link oberliner Sep 2016 #41
the low info crowd is the US media JI7 Sep 2016 #15
She did fail the D.C. bar exam. But so does 46% of all first time takers. Tempest Sep 2016 #22
I heard DC was difficult. DFW Sep 2016 #25
I went to U. Penn DFW Sep 2016 #24
I'm guessing that there were a lot of empty seats? lapfog_1 Sep 2016 #26
What would Trump have to say if he did not lie, not much, funny there are so many believers. It is Thinkingabout Sep 2016 #27
This is something that shows BlueMTexpat Sep 2016 #30
I agree that it shows her humanity! I find it endearing. Madam45for2923 Sep 2016 #38
+1! eom BlueMTexpat Sep 2016 #43
I am sure if he brings it up to her face she will admit it and be proud to be among many who did Mamajami Sep 2016 #31
I have a brilliant friend titaniumsalute Sep 2016 #32
I failed the professional engineering exam the first time I took it reflection Sep 2016 #33
I believe she did fail first time through, but that is NOT uncommon, especially for people tblue37 Sep 2016 #34
If a fire marshal won't let more people in treestar Sep 2016 #36
In my city, the crowd outside was shown on TV as all anti-Trump protestors wishstar Sep 2016 #39
I'd like to see a PAC find people who went to college with avebury Sep 2016 #42
It is time to turn your back on Trump supporters. UCmeNdc Sep 2016 #44
does anyone know of a site AC_Mem Sep 2016 #45

anneboleyn

(5,611 posts)
11. Yup. It is the same stunt his surrogates pull EVERY time -- they shout "but Hillary..." So painfully
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 08:50 PM
Sep 2016

obvious, and it's just another sign of how empty Trump is as a candidate. His surrogates on CNN are just so painful -- Kayleigh the Trump Elf, and Boris the Dancing Russian Bear, and Jeffrey the "Ask me anything about Ronald Reagan" guy are the worst.

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
2. What are you going to do with low information voters?
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 07:44 PM
Sep 2016

They don't want to hear anything outside of what he is telling them
I am sure Google is not broken in their part of the world

MyNameIsKhan

(2,205 posts)
4. Trump cannot pass Wharton MBA, I know how taxing the program is... He is a cheapshot.
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 07:46 PM
Sep 2016

Wharton MBA is in top biz schools and Trump graduating will make every alumni choke in shame.

anneboleyn

(5,611 posts)
10. I know -- he was in an undergrad program. He lets everyone think he has an MBA from Wharton
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 08:38 PM
Sep 2016

when of course he does not. In the old, pre-Internet days, he used to claim that he was first in his class, top of the class, and so on. All preposterous bs. He is such an insecure disaster.

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
17. MANY people don't pass the first time. Can happen for many reasons. She passed in AR and certainly
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 10:48 PM
Sep 2016

would have passed the second time in DC. Herr Trumpenstein has not graduate credentials at all.

madaboutharry

(40,212 posts)
19. I agree,
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 10:51 PM
Sep 2016

It's dumb of him to bring it up. He couldn't have graduated from Law School, it takes a great deal of self discipline.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
18. Lots of people do because they don't teach the content in law school.
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 10:50 PM
Sep 2016

Most learn it in cram courses afterwards, and the content varies by jurisdiction.

niyad

(113,413 posts)
6. it was pointed out in this community (where he had the elevator encounter and blasted the local
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 07:50 PM
Sep 2016

fire marshall) drumpfy routinely picks smaller venues, sells many tickets more than the venue will hold, and then whines about the "fire marshall" being sooooooo mean.

anneboleyn

(5,611 posts)
8. Yes, great point. He does it all the time, and it is such a pathetic "look how popular I am!"
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 08:09 PM
Sep 2016

gesture. For some reason the dummies who attend his rallies love to hear the lines about the evil Fire Marshalls. I guess it makes them feel tough to defy the local gubment, and extra special to be inside a stupid political rally like they are seeing a real rock star instead of an obese old man with orange hair who wants to be president.

Trump voters always seem extra pathetic to me because they seem to think his "money mojo" will rub off on them somehow. It is some form of magical thinking -- worship the guy who claims to be rich and try to touch his garment as he passes by -- I always see them dressed in t-shirts and Trump hats reaching out for him -- as you might then become a millionaire...

hatrack

(59,587 posts)
14. It's Creflo Dollar, except the Rev. has better taste in clothes . . .
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 09:43 PM
Sep 2016

Oh, and you don't have to mouth any insincere platitudes about "loving your neighbor" and all of that shit.

You just get to hate everybody, but there's still a magic prosperity prophet (TM) at the front of the hall, and his touch will prosper you!

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
13. Her bar exam instructor used out of date materials
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 09:30 PM
Sep 2016

The D.C. bar exam had recently changed what it covered to include laws from multiple states, not just from D.C.. Her instructor, a local law professor, had not updated the materials he taught to include the changes.

Having passed the California bar exam, knowing what is involved in preparing, knowing the peculiarities of the many areas of laws studied, I find her failure funny. Sort of an episode of I love Lucy where Lucy by mistake ends up in a ludicrous situation. If you don't study the specific areas covered by the test, even if you are real smart, you can easily fail.

 

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
37. Me too! Find it funny and endearing!
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 09:30 AM
Sep 2016

As if we're going to doubt this woman's intelligence! hahahaha! Trump trying to diminish one of HRC's strengths!! He's too obvious! He must be scared of the smart woman!

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
20. So what? There are TONS of reasons why a very smart person doesn't pass the first time. She DID
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 10:51 PM
Sep 2016

pass in AR and joined the very prestigious Rose Law Firm and taught law in AR.

anneboleyn

(5,611 posts)
21. I know and I agree -- Trump could never have passed the bar so as usual his arrogance
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 11:01 PM
Sep 2016

is running his mouth. A law degree from Yale is serious business, and Hillary was also an excellent student -- an outstanding student-- as an undergrad. Nobody even remembers Trump at Penn (there was an article in the Penn paper about this)

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
28. Makes no difference to me
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 06:29 AM
Sep 2016

But Trump says a lot of things that are completely false. This happens to be true. I think it's important to keep that clear.

Tempest

(14,591 posts)
23. It's also true that 46% of first time takers fail the D.C. exam
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 11:26 PM
Sep 2016

It's considered the third hardest in the nation behind NY and California.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
29. Not among those who graduated from Yale Law School
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 06:39 AM
Sep 2016

Which is considered one of the best in the country - if not the best.

It was definitely unusual and surprising that she failed the DC Bar (she even says so in her book).

Probably it was just a stressful time for her and she just had a bad day.

Tempest

(14,591 posts)
40. Have you a citation on Yale graduate failure rates?
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 01:01 PM
Sep 2016

The only citation I can find is the failure rate for all takers of the exam. Nothing on a breakdown by any categories.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
41. Check out this link
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 01:16 PM
Sep 2016
http://www.admissionsdean.com/law_schools/yale-law-school/bar-exam-performance

It shows 97 percent of Yale Law students passing the NY Bar Exam in 2011.

I can't find the numbers for the DC Bar Exam at the time that HRC took it.

Tempest

(14,591 posts)
22. She did fail the D.C. bar exam. But so does 46% of all first time takers.
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 11:25 PM
Sep 2016

It's considered one of the hardest in the nation behind NY and California.

DFW

(54,414 posts)
25. I heard DC was difficult.
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 11:32 PM
Sep 2016

My daughter went to law school in New York (passed the NY bar the first time), and since she went to undergrad in DC, she looked into taking the bar exam there, and decided she might as well stay in NY. Oddly enough, she told a friend who had failed the DC bar exam to try her home state of Massachusetts, which, for all its academia, is known among law students as "Passachusetts" for its easy bar exam.

DFW

(54,414 posts)
24. I went to U. Penn
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 11:28 PM
Sep 2016

It was already divided up into the various "schools" even at the undergraduate level. So being "in Wharton" merely meant you had decided on a business-oriented study from the beginning and were enrolled accordingly after being accepted--just like women were automatically enrolled in the "college for women." In reality, there was no distinction, and we all took classes together. My economics class was held in the Wharton building, so technically, I "went to Wharton" too for part of my undergrad education. No big deal. "Believe me."

lapfog_1

(29,208 posts)
26. I'm guessing that there were a lot of empty seats?
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 11:40 PM
Sep 2016

Hence the lie about the "fire marshall" won't let them in...

just a guess

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
27. What would Trump have to say if he did not lie, not much, funny there are so many believers. It is
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 11:46 PM
Sep 2016

too thin for me to buy into, just a liar. Lyin' Donald Trump. BTW, he went to Trump University of Debaters, see what the Trump University results are for Trump, he may need to file fraud against Trump University.

BlueMTexpat

(15,370 posts)
30. This is something that shows
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 08:07 AM
Sep 2016

Hillary's humanity, IMO. There is another thread (at least one) discussing this and yes, it's true, as others here have confirmed. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2450453

I posted a lot of information there that I am too lazy to repost - sorry about that!

But Hillary took two bar exams (DC and Arkansas). She passed the Arkansas Bar exam. I am not sure what the difficulty level of the Arkansas exam was in 1973, but in 2013, it was considered to be the second most difficult. http://abovethelaw.com/2013/04/which-state-has-the-most-difficult-bar-exam/

In the other thread, I posted a link from March 2016, which says that the Arkansas Bar is still ranked as the second most difficult.

 

Mamajami

(257 posts)
31. I am sure if he brings it up to her face she will admit it and be proud to be among many who did
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 08:13 AM
Sep 2016

also. Bar exams are given all over and everyone is different from state-to-state. She did graduate law School. He did graduate Wharton.

reflection

(6,286 posts)
33. I failed the professional engineering exam the first time I took it
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 08:48 AM
Sep 2016

by 2 points. Smoked it the second time. I have an uncle who is a trial lawyer. We compared notes and stories. There's no doubt in my mind he had the more difficult and grueling exam. What has Trump ever passed that was a real test of his "good brain"? Answer: not a damned thing. Being personally wealthy can be a result of a good skillset at something, but it doesn't definitely mean you are smart. I hate this orange dildo more every day.

I remember 4 years ago, after that first debate, when I was genuinely scared Romney could pull it off. I thought he would be the most amoral and greedy candidate the Republicans could ever field. Boy, was I wrong.

tblue37

(65,423 posts)
34. I believe she did fail first time through, but that is NOT uncommon, especially for people
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 08:56 AM
Sep 2016

who go to elite law schools that focus on deep comprehension and theory rather than on exam prep.

A lot of third-tier law schools specifically prep their students for the bar exam, but that ends up being for many a lot like test prep in our public schools--aimed at making sure the student passes a test rather than making sure the student has a deep understanding of the topic.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
36. If a fire marshal won't let more people in
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 09:26 AM
Sep 2016

It is because it would be unsafe. Those ordinances exist for a reason. Deplorable is all for putting his own supporters in a dangerous situation.

wishstar

(5,270 posts)
39. In my city, the crowd outside was shown on TV as all anti-Trump protestors
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 09:37 AM
Sep 2016

I loved it when my local TV channel showed him talking about the thousands of people waiting outside who couldn't get seats, and then they cut to reporter outside in throngs of anti-Trump protestors including one with a 'Fuck Trump' sign- it was hilarious

avebury

(10,952 posts)
42. I'd like to see a PAC find people who went to college with
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 01:34 PM
Sep 2016

Donald and find out the reality of what his college years were like. If the truth is a whole different story, maybe they can fund an add with a former classmate.

AC_Mem

(1,979 posts)
45. does anyone know of a site
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 02:33 PM
Sep 2016

That posts pics of the actual audience at these rallies? I have a feeling that they are much smaller than we can even imagine

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