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Charlotte Little

(658 posts)
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 01:08 PM Oct 2016

Allan Lichtman Seems to be Hedging on His Little Ol' Prediction

https://www.merryjane.com/news/election-prediction-Trump-Clinton

Excerpt:

Still, there are many factors that Lichtman said could narrowly push Trump to victory, namely the unusual popularity of Libertarian Party candidate Gary Johnson, who is polling at double-digits and potentially siphoning votes away from Clinton.

But, after Trump’s piss-poor debate performance on Monday night, Dr. Lichtman admitted that Trump had suffered a major setback on his path to victory. He claimed that although Trump had a golden opportunity to make himself appear as a “less dangerous candidate”, he instead went on the demean Hillary Clinton, dance around the truth and skirt around his looming tax situation. All of this has the professor questioning whether his system will be right this time around.

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Methinks Professor Lichtman's 13 Keys to the White House is as Sam Wang suggests - utter bunk not worthy of consideration.

Adding to that - Gary Johnson, the always-baked goof candidate, is falling in the polls due to his continued whackadoodledoo stupidity whenever interviewed, and is likely to be well under 5% by election day. This, of course, drops one of the keys from Trump's tiny little hands, making Hillary the predicted winner in Lichtman's system.
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Allan Lichtman Seems to be Hedging on His Little Ol' Prediction (Original Post) Charlotte Little Oct 2016 OP
he'd be better off simply saying that at this point his model hinges on johnson getting 5% or not. unblock Oct 2016 #1
The problem for Lichtman is that.... LenaBaby61 Oct 2016 #2

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(52,317 posts)
1. he'd be better off simply saying that at this point his model hinges on johnson getting 5% or not.
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 01:36 PM
Oct 2016

which obviously is a problem in the predictive value of the model; namely that one of the factors is not fully known until election day itself.

personally, i expect johnson to wind up with only about 3% of the vote, certainly not 5%, meaning the model would point to a hillary win after all.


i like the model, but i appreciate its limitations. it's obviously not suited for very precise calculations, so it's a bit silly to worry about its predictions in 2000, for instance, which at the level of precision of this model would have to be called a tie.


what i like about it is that it points out that much of the factors influencing presidential election results are simply a referendum on the performance of the current administration, and that other factors, such as policies, ground games, debate performances, etc., are either not very important, or, more accurately, are not *independently* predictive. i.e., they may themselves be a function of the same fundamental -- if the verdict on the current administration is that it's time to change parties, then it's likely that the challenging party will field a strong candidate who can get support to build a good ground game and do well in debates, etc.

that said, all those things that may not matter as much *do* matter, especially in a close election.


lichtman is handling things worse than his model itself is by hedging. this talk about "breaking the model" is just silly and doesn't serve him no matter what the result is.


LenaBaby61

(6,977 posts)
2. The problem for Lichtman is that....
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 03:16 PM
Oct 2016

As Gary Johnson has begun to get some light shone upon him on the national stage via television interviews, it's apparent to all who have a brain that Johnson doesn't really have a brain himself and he is--well--dumber than 2 bags of hammers. Friends who were going to support him either are not going to vote period or a few are voting for Hillary. They live in swing stages. Hopefully more of his vote will go to Hillary in swing states or they'll sit home and won't help tRump. One thing that is scary is that my friends never bothered to check the guy out, because if they had, they'd have known he was dumb as 2 bags of hammers. They also didn't know that he is as right-winged and anti-people as tRump IS once they dug more into his platform. Johnson also didn't know who Harriet Tubman was allegedly

Additionally, Weld I read is trying to think of a way to abandon that disastrous ticket as fast as he can. IF/When Weld does leave that ticket, I hope Johnson fades into obscurity for EVER.

Thanks Gary

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