2016 Postmortem

MineralMan

(146,329 posts) Sat Oct 1, 2016, 01:15 PM Oct 2016

To People Who Have Answered Polls by Choosing Gary Johnson:

Folks: Voting for Johnson is not some sort of protest vote. It's just freaking stupid. You've heard him. He doesn't know anything about Aleppo, Syria, despite it being in the news on an almost daily basis. He can't name a single world leader, even days after he fluffed that question.

Gary Johnson is a know-nothing person, not a real presidential candidate. And what he does know about, he wants to destroy. He's a Rand Paul libertarian, who will take away everything of value in this society and leave helpless people to suffer.

Vote for Hillary Clinton! Go read her positions on issues. Learn what she stands for.

Vote with your brain, not with your whims or sense of protest. Think about it, and then show up on November 8 and cast your vote for Hillary Clinton. Or, even better, vote early if you can in your state.

Thanks.

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To People Who Have Answered Polls by Choosing Gary Johnson: (Original Post) MineralMan Oct 2016 OP

He comes across as a total idiot. Lifelong Protester Oct 2016 #1

if stein and johnson is the choice of those with a real conscience La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2016 #2

my conscience won't let me vote... gilpo Oct 2016 #11

In this election we need to vote for each other underthematrix Oct 2016 #3

Good post. Thinkingabout Oct 2016 #5

Thank you underthematrix Oct 2016 #6

I am not for shutting down the Education Department, I do not want to stop Social Security Thinkingabout Oct 2016 #4

This is interesting. Why are you for eliminating the Dept of Education? underthematrix Oct 2016 #7

I think it's a typo. SaschaHM Oct 2016 #8

Moment of bad typing, no never mind, it was the keyboard, it is faulty. Thinkingabout Oct 2016 #9

No worries. I just thought it was different and interesting and underthematrix Oct 2016 #10

"Conscience" can be euphemism for "misogynist"; at least Johnson is not Trump ColemanMaskell Oct 2016 #12

At least he didn't say "all of them" when asked about world leaders he admired. argyl Oct 2016 #13

That's true, but he knows none of them, even superficially. MineralMan Oct 2016 #14

My reply was meant as a spoof of Sarah Palin's answer as to what news resources she read. argyl Oct 2016 #15

Even the one World Leader he could come up with - had been Presidente of Mexico when Johnson Schema Thing Oct 2016 #16

Lifelong Protester

(8,421 posts)

1. He comes across as a total idiot.

Reply to MineralMan (Original post)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 01:22 PM

Oct 2016

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)

2. if stein and johnson is the choice of those with a real conscience

Reply to MineralMan (Original post)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 01:23 PM

Oct 2016

than i am glad i have a compromised conscience.

they are both not fit to be president.

gilpo

(708 posts)

11. my conscience won't let me vote...

Reply to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #2)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 01:43 PM

Oct 2016

...in any way that gets us Trump as POTUS (shiver)

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)

3. In this election we need to vote for each other

Reply to MineralMan (Original post)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 01:26 PM

Oct 2016

which means we need to vote for Hillary Clinton. Remember she's not running to be our bestie. She's running to be President who will protect women's choice, healthcare, take on the gun lobby to pass gun sense legislation, get us immigration reform and ensure our national security. Hillary is the only one who's SANE, smart, knowledgeable, and experienced. If you can't vote for her then vote for me because my life is on the ballot.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)

5. Good post.

Reply to underthematrix (Reply #3)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 01:27 PM

Oct 2016

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)

6. Thank you

Reply to Thinkingabout (Reply #5)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 01:29 PM

Oct 2016

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)

4. I am not for shutting down the Education Department, I do not want to stop Social Security

Reply to MineralMan (Original post)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 01:26 PM

Oct 2016

and Medicare, I do not want to repeal ACA and assistance for college education. I do not agree with the libertarian positions and I doubt Democrats wants to turn back many programs we have enjoyed for many years.

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)

7. This is interesting. Why are you for eliminating the Dept of Education?

Reply to Thinkingabout (Reply #4)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 01:30 PM

Oct 2016

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)

8. I think it's a typo.

Reply to underthematrix (Reply #7)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 01:32 PM

Oct 2016

It does show the inherent contradictions of supporting Bernie in the primary based on policy positions and then going for Johnson.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)

9. Moment of bad typing, no never mind, it was the keyboard, it is faulty.

Reply to underthematrix (Reply #7)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 01:35 PM

Oct 2016

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)

10. No worries. I just thought it was different and interesting and

Reply to Thinkingabout (Reply #9)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 01:37 PM

Oct 2016

wanted to know more

ColemanMaskell

(783 posts)

12. "Conscience" can be euphemism for "misogynist"; at least Johnson is not Trump

Reply to MineralMan (Original post)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 02:09 PM

Oct 2016

Some people will not vote for a woman.

If such a person cannot be brought around to reason, then it is better that they should vote for Johnson rather than for Trump. At least the Johnson vote deprives Trump of the vote.

Many people are not honest with themselves. Perhaps few of us are able to be completely honest with ourselves -- it can be painful. When someone has a longstanding deeply held chauvinistic misogynistic viewpoint, they might have trouble admitting it even to themselves, and hence they con themselves with other supposed reasons for their resistance to voting for Hillary, notably invoking the vague and unfounded claim to being motivated by conscience.

No amount of reasoning about conscience will change such a person's position, because the claim to being motivated by conscience is totally bogus, a screen for their actual point of concern.

So when I see someone who just can't bring themselves to vote for Hillary because of supposed conscience, I assume the person is probably a misogynist. If Johnson gets the hardcore misogynist vote, at least those are votes that don't go to Trump. So I'm happy enough to see Johnson in the race, siphoning off Trump votes.

The bizarre phenomenon that I do NOT get is Jill Stein voters. Stein is scarcely much of an environmentalist. Her campaign seems to consist largely of anti-Hillary attacks. What convoluted thought processes can lead someone to think a vote for Stein is an idea? That I just don't get at all. (Does anyone understand it and could explain? I'm totally stumped here.)

argyl

(3,064 posts)

13. At least he didn't say "all of them" when asked about world leaders he admired.

Reply to MineralMan (Original post)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 02:56 PM

Oct 2016

MineralMan

(146,329 posts)

14. That's true, but he knows none of them, even superficially.

Reply to argyl (Reply #13)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 03:00 PM

Oct 2016

Even as a presidential candidate, he has not read a newspaper or watched the news. He is deliberately ignorant of the very things he would need to know as President. He is unqualified to even stand on the starting line of this race.

argyl

(3,064 posts)

15. My reply was meant as a spoof of Sarah Palin's answer as to what news resources she read.

Reply to MineralMan (Reply #14)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 03:06 PM

Oct 2016

But yeah, Johnson's a total flake, a real dumbass.

Schema Thing

(10,283 posts)

16. Even the one World Leader he could come up with - had been Presidente of Mexico when Johnson

Reply to MineralMan (Original post)

Sun Oct 2, 2016, 10:12 AM

Oct 2016

was Governor of New freakin' Mexico.

And he still couldn't remember his name.

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