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JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 10:12 AM Oct 2016

Climate change was not brought up at all. I wish Tim Kaine would

have snuck in since the moderator never brought it up for discussion.

Hopefully Hillary makes it brings it up in the next debate regardless if the moderator does or not.

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Climate change was not brought up at all. I wish Tim Kaine would (Original Post) JRLeft Oct 2016 OP
It will likely come up. After Matthew is done, climate change will be more of a topic. tonyt53 Oct 2016 #1
Good point. Supposedly if it grazes the coast we're Hortensis Oct 2016 #2
It's always the right time to bring it up. It's the biggest threat to life on earth. JRLeft Oct 2016 #6
I think it's important librarylu Oct 2016 #3
He actually did bring it up citood Oct 2016 #4
That's not really bringing it up. JRLeft Oct 2016 #7
There were a lot of things that weren't brought up that should have been justiceischeap Oct 2016 #5
Kaine should have brought up the fact that Pence would lose his reelection bid. JRLeft Oct 2016 #9
Tim Kaine was busy fighting the torrent of lies Madam45for2923 Oct 2016 #8
You didn't watch. NCTraveler Oct 2016 #10
It really wasn't a deep discussion, but maybe it's not that big of a deal to you. JRLeft Oct 2016 #12
I'm glad you have at least backed down from your blatantly incorrect position. NCTraveler Oct 2016 #13
I didn't back down, it really wasn't discussed and is barely mentioned JRLeft Oct 2016 #14
"Climate change was not brought up at all." JRLeft NCTraveler Oct 2016 #15
Read this article. JRLeft Oct 2016 #16
I read Al Gore is going on campaign trail marlakay Oct 2016 #17
I just posted a link to that story. NCTraveler Oct 2016 #19
So you don't doubt she had deviated away from climate change discussion? JRLeft Oct 2016 #20
What date was this recorded? NCTraveler Oct 2016 #22
Did you read the article? JRLeft Oct 2016 #23
Yes, I read the article that states she doesn't say climate change... NCTraveler Oct 2016 #24
It says 1 out of 5 times, so you did not read it. JRLeft Oct 2016 #25
Is that what it says? NCTraveler Oct 2016 #26
Her mentioning it 20% of the time is putting emphasis on it? JRLeft Oct 2016 #27
Huge emphasis. No one discussing this in honest would claim anything else. NCTraveler Oct 2016 #29
I just looked at some of your past posts. NCTraveler Oct 2016 #30
I rarely post here, I see you that you post here all day. JRLeft Oct 2016 #37
I see. You go with the Guardian as Gospel. There is a major part of why you are so concerned. NCTraveler Oct 2016 #18
The debate was way too foreign policy focused for a VP debate. Ace Rothstein Oct 2016 #11
Online voting will be used to influence the selection of questions asked at the Oct 9 debate ColemanMaskell Oct 2016 #21
Climate change is the biggest issue we face as a species. jalan48 Oct 2016 #28
It would make a great debate topic as a whole and truly deserves its own debate as a topic. NCTraveler Oct 2016 #31
Trump is a denier. There can be no debate as long as the media gives the deniers an equal voice. jalan48 Oct 2016 #33
Giving deniers an equal voice is a reason I think it would be great as a topic on its own. NCTraveler Oct 2016 #35
I guess it's a bit like Nero fiddling while Rome burns. jalan48 Oct 2016 #36
Climate change denial was repeated over and over again, "War on Coal" meme. Coyotl Oct 2016 #32
I think it will come up at the Town Hall debate. yellowcanine Oct 2016 #34

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
2. Good point. Supposedly if it grazes the coast we're
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 10:24 AM
Oct 2016

looking at billions in damage, if it moves up 60 miles off the coast, just a bunch of high winds.

As for talking about it in this debate, if a significant bloc of conservative "wobblers" could be persuaded to reject Trump by hitting global warming, that topic likely would have been hit and hit again. (Both candidates mostly ignored the questions from a weak moderator.) Last night just wasn't the time.

librarylu

(503 posts)
3. I think it's important
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 10:24 AM
Oct 2016

to counter the "war on coal" with clean energy creating jobs. She's done that. I hope she'll do it again - and again and again.

Even climate deniers should have to admit new technology means new jobs.

I wonder if the "coal rollers" would be able to figure out a way to make solar powered trucks obnoxious.

citood

(550 posts)
4. He actually did bring it up
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 10:37 AM
Oct 2016

One of the problems was he was rattling items off so fast that it was hard to keep track...I heard him mention it...but it was a flash.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
5. There were a lot of things that weren't brought up that should have been
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 10:46 AM
Oct 2016

IMO, Pence should have been asked about his discriminatory law against the LGBTQ community that he signed into law and had his state boycotted for. That's a big issue that effects millions of Americans (not just LGBTQ folks but our families too).

 

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
8. Tim Kaine was busy fighting the torrent of lies
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 11:05 AM
Oct 2016

But yes there were many topics that should've been covered. Also LGTB issues, like the laws that Pence passed in Indiana.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
10. You didn't watch.
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 11:07 AM
Oct 2016

Ways to combat climate change sure as hell were brought up. The fact it was really makes your op stink a bit. It wasn't brought up to the level we would like, but to say "was not brought up at all" is simply dishonest. Do clean energy jobs and technology not have anything to do with climate change? You must think so in order to hold your thought process.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
13. I'm glad you have at least backed down from your blatantly incorrect position.
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 11:24 AM
Oct 2016

You shouldn't speak for me as you have done here. It is now the second time you are completely incorrect in what you are putting forward.



First you state something that is not the truth in order to show concern. You then incorrectly speak for me. Well done.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
14. I didn't back down, it really wasn't discussed and is barely mentioned
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 11:31 AM
Oct 2016

by Hillary she talked about it more during the primary and she would help herself tremendously with millennials by campaigning on it harder.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
15. "Climate change was not brought up at all." JRLeft
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 11:35 AM
Oct 2016

"It really wasn't a deep discussion," JRLeft

"barely mentioned" JRLeft

And now you have added a new wrinkle by bringing Clinton into it. I'm loving this. The evolution of concern. At least your changing from the completely false premise you put forward in the op.

"but maybe it's not that big of a deal to you." JRLeft - Extremely poor and incorrect assumption.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
16. Read this article.
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 11:41 AM
Oct 2016

Hillary Clinton 'dropped climate change from speeches after Bernie Sanders endorsement'

Hillary Clinton has dropped the words “climate change” from most of her public addresses since winning the endorsement of her party rival Bernie Sanders, according to Climate Home analysis.

While the presidential candidate talks regularly about her plan for the US to become a “clean energy superpower”, in recent months she has rarely made reference to the planetary crisis that necessitates it.

On Monday, when she launched her pitch to millennials online, she could find no room for an issue that will affect that voting cohort more than any other.

The rhetorical shift undermines hopes that climate change might emerge as a key campaign issue in 2016. Boosted by the disparity between Clinton and her Republican opponent Donald Trump, a self-professed non-believer in climate change. Indeed, the signs were there. During the last six months of Clinton’s primary campaign against Sanders, the transcript log of her speeches shows she was talking about climate change at one out of every two speeches she gave.

But since Sanders endorsed Clinton on July 12, the full focus of the Clinton campaign has swung to Trump. In 38 speeches since that date, Clinton mentioned climate change specifically eight times. Just once every five public addresses.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/sep/20/hillary-clinton-dropped-climate-change-from-speeches-after-bernie-sanders-endorsement?0p19G=c

marlakay

(11,498 posts)
17. I read Al Gore is going on campaign trail
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 11:48 AM
Oct 2016

With Hillary. To help get the young and his message out.

Also he is going to tell people not to vote third party because of what happened to him.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
19. I just posted a link to that story.
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 11:54 AM
Oct 2016

Along with a speech from Clinton discussing it the other day and a different link with Chelsea on the stump talking about it. The op could be no more wrong.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
20. So you don't doubt she had deviated away from climate change discussion?
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 11:54 AM
Oct 2016

Hopefully when she's on her own she discuss. No matter how many surrogates she has out there campaigning for her she has to discuss because she's going to be the next president not AL Gore or anyone else.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
24. Yes, I read the article that states she doesn't say climate change...
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 12:12 PM
Oct 2016

Except when she does say climate change.



I can truly provide you with video to prove you are completely wrong and you won't accept it. This is too good. I get that your knowledge is derived from what is written in the Guardian and you won't accept anything else. Even video.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
26. Is that what it says?
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 12:15 PM
Oct 2016

This keeps getting better. One out of five times. That tells you she is putting serious emphasis on it. I have literally shown you video of her. When was that video recorded?

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
29. Huge emphasis. No one discussing this in honest would claim anything else.
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 12:26 PM
Oct 2016

First you say it wasn't mentioned in the debate at all. That was clearly dishonest. You backed up on that and admitted it was mentioned. You then went in a different and completely different direction, just as wrong. You have been factually proven to be incorrect so now you are trying to make it an argument of semantics brought to us by your friends at the Guardian.

I truly appreciate the smile you have given me this morning. This has been fun. I'm enjoying the ratcheting up of concern as progressives keep doing better and better. As we are handing Pence and Trump their asses.

You can't peddle back any further. Please hold your ground. Bwahahahaha



 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
30. I just looked at some of your past posts.
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 12:43 PM
Oct 2016

You seem to mention climate change in less than one percent of them. Why do you care so little about such an important topic.

Do you see how laughable your assertion is now?

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
18. I see. You go with the Guardian as Gospel. There is a major part of why you are so concerned.
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 11:53 AM
Oct 2016

It is a major part of Clintons campaign. You are truly being dishonest. You might not want to read these. Your position might change to better match reality. I don't mind debate at all. Dishonest manifested to resemble great concern is simply bullshit.

Al Gore joins Clinton campaign to talk climate action with young voters

Former US vice-president and Nobel Prize winning environmental advocate Al Gore is set to campaign for Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton in an bid to mobilise young voters who see climate change as a key issue in the upcoming US election, according to various media reports.

CNN reported yesterday that Gore will hit the campaign trail for Hillary Clinton in the coming weeks, citing two senior Democrats as a source.


http://www.businessgreen.com/bg/news/2473085/al-gore-joins-clinton-campaign-to-talk-climate-action-with-young-voters

Even Chelsea has been out talking about it.

Chelsea Clinton talks climate change, Appalachian issues

ASHEVILLE – Climate change is an environmental threat and an economic opportunity for the United States, Chelsea Clinton told people Wednesday at a downtown nonprofit working on the issue.

She said her mother, Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton, has said during the campaign and when she was secretary of state "that some country will be the (clean) energy superpower of the 21st century and she thinks it should be us."


http://www.citizen-times.com/story/news/local/2016/09/28/chelsea-clinton-speaks-climate-science-asheville/91181460/


Was this before of after the primary?



Your Guardian article is a bunch of bullshit. It states that she doesn't mention climate change in her speeches, except for when she does. It's beyond laughable. That is literally the position held in the article you put forward. She doesn't mention it except when she mentions it.



ColemanMaskell

(783 posts)
21. Online voting will be used to influence the selection of questions asked at the Oct 9 debate
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 11:55 AM
Oct 2016

Online voting will be used to influence the selection of questions asked at the Oct 9 debate.

You can vote for climate change question(s). This is the link:

https://presidentialopenquestions.com/?akid=34906.2498907.3sRu7Q&rd=1&source=e160928_1326-fin-donactblue&t=6

You can Choose the Sort order of the questions ("Most Votes&quot in a box at the top

The box is barely noticeable, easy to overlook.
Sorting is easier than looking through all 6,000+ questions.

jalan48

(13,886 posts)
28. Climate change is the biggest issue we face as a species.
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 12:22 PM
Oct 2016

The fact that there is yet to be a real debate about it shows how out of touch we have become from reality. The media's fascination with "scandals" is really a danger to future generations.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
31. It would make a great debate topic as a whole and truly deserves its own debate as a topic.
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 01:23 PM
Oct 2016

I don't see how Trump would make it past five minutes.

jalan48

(13,886 posts)
33. Trump is a denier. There can be no debate as long as the media gives the deniers an equal voice.
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 01:40 PM
Oct 2016

The focus on minor issues like fat shaming, Hillary's pant suits or her smile are examples of how the corporate media frames the debate for American viewers. It allows the gullible public to be distracted from very important issues.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
35. Giving deniers an equal voice is a reason I think it would be great as a topic on its own.
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 01:45 PM
Oct 2016

Ninety minutes of Trump having to back up his position of denial.

jalan48

(13,886 posts)
36. I guess it's a bit like Nero fiddling while Rome burns.
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 01:48 PM
Oct 2016

It's tragic for future generations though. It appears it won't be debated this time around, maybe in 2020.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
32. Climate change denial was repeated over and over again, "War on Coal" meme.
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 01:28 PM
Oct 2016

Yes, we have an army of soldiers out there, going after coal with brooms and dustpans, sweeping up their toxic dust ....

yellowcanine

(35,701 posts)
34. I think it will come up at the Town Hall debate.
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 01:45 PM
Oct 2016

Which is the perfect place for it to come up. Because, unless he lies, Trump will have to tell a member of the audience that he does not believe in man-made climate change. And if he does lie, Hillary will fact check him on it.

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