2016 Postmortem

applegrove

(118,793 posts) Wed Oct 5, 2016, 06:50 PM Oct 2016

Clinton Opens Up Wide National Lead

https://politicalwire.com/2016/10/05/clinton-opens-up-wide-national-lead/

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A new Fairleigh Dickinson Public Mind poll finds Hillary Clinton leading Donald Trump by nine points nationally, 45% to 36%, with Gary Johnson at 11%.

Said pollster Krista Jenkins: “The post-presidential debate landscape is clearly favoring Clinton. Trump’s continued weight shaming of a former Miss Universe and the weekend disclosure of his 1995 tax returns are but a sample of difficult news coverage for the Republican candidate.”

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Clinton Opens Up Wide National Lead (Original Post) applegrove Oct 2016 OP

Of course it is the delegate count but you get the delegate count from voters. Thinkingabout Oct 2016 #1

Could be that some Donald supporters want their daughters for Thanksgiving & Xmas ffr Oct 2016 #2

+1000 sheshe2 Oct 2016 #4

National polls mean nothing Elmergantry Oct 2016 #3

If the national polls are moving, doesn't it stand to reason that the states are as well? Tarheel_Dem Oct 2016 #5

If the gap is really that big, yes. Bucky Oct 2016 #10

Wide national lead doesn't help in EC racism_sucks Oct 2016 #6

IF CLINTON WINS ALL THE STATES, SHE WINS THEIR ELECTORIAL COLLEGE VOTES trueblue2007 Oct 2016 #9

Don't be nasty Bucky Oct 2016 #12

'twould be nice, but I'll wait for another poll confirming that gap before celebrating Bucky Oct 2016 #7

I call this poll bullshit 11 percent for Johnson bigdarryl Oct 2016 #8

Maybe he's got a surge in support from Syrian immigrants Bucky Oct 2016 #13

I am psyching myself into thinking that there was a big group of people toying Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2016 #11

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)

1. Of course it is the delegate count but you get the delegate count from voters.

Reply to applegrove (Original post)

Wed Oct 5, 2016, 07:00 PM

Oct 2016

ffr

(22,671 posts)

2. Could be that some Donald supporters want their daughters for Thanksgiving & Xmas

Reply to applegrove (Original post)

Wed Oct 5, 2016, 07:03 PM

Oct 2016

Trump Is Losing Educated GOP Women—and Splitting Up Families Along the Way
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512471566

Adrahil 1. A friend of mine....

...just told her Trumpster parents that she will not be visiting for Thanksgiving or Christmas this year becuase she cannot respect them if they vote for Trump.

It's tearing her up, but she feels very strongly about it.

Might be telling pollsters they're not backing Donald.

sheshe2

(83,925 posts)

4. +1000

Reply to ffr (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 5, 2016, 07:47 PM

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Elmergantry

(884 posts)

3. National polls mean nothing

Reply to applegrove (Original post)

Wed Oct 5, 2016, 07:39 PM

Oct 2016

Its the state by state polls that matter.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,241 posts)

5. If the national polls are moving, doesn't it stand to reason that the states are as well?

Reply to Elmergantry (Reply #3)

Wed Oct 5, 2016, 09:41 PM

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Bucky

(54,068 posts)

10. If the gap is really that big, yes.

Reply to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #5)

Wed Oct 5, 2016, 11:26 PM

Oct 2016

A 9-point spread is going to translate into enough purple states going blue.

It's not unreasonable to worry about a perverse outcome even with a 2-3 point spread, since (as stated elsewhere) many of the anti-Trump votes are clustered in big urban areas in California and the Northeast.

racism_sucks

(11 posts)

6. Wide national lead doesn't help in EC

Reply to applegrove (Original post)

Wed Oct 5, 2016, 11:20 PM

Oct 2016

Great to hear but mostly meaningless since Electoral College is the only thing that's important. Being up in key swing states are what's important, not how much she'll trounce Trump in MA or CA.

trueblue2007

(17,239 posts)

9. IF CLINTON WINS ALL THE STATES, SHE WINS THEIR ELECTORIAL COLLEGE VOTES

Reply to racism_sucks (Reply #6)

Wed Oct 5, 2016, 11:25 PM

Oct 2016

but i guess you don't know that.

Bucky

(54,068 posts)

12. Don't be nasty

Reply to trueblue2007 (Reply #9)

Wed Oct 5, 2016, 11:27 PM

Oct 2016

People have a right to raise objections without being subjected to insults.

Bucky

(54,068 posts)

7. 'twould be nice, but I'll wait for another poll confirming that gap before celebrating

Reply to applegrove (Original post)

Wed Oct 5, 2016, 11:23 PM

Oct 2016

These fickle fuckers keep crawling back to the crazy every time The Donald calms down and re-learns how to read the Republican lies from his teleprompter.

bigdarryl

(13,190 posts)

8. I call this poll bullshit 11 percent for Johnson

Reply to applegrove (Original post)

Wed Oct 5, 2016, 11:25 PM

Oct 2016

He's never had that much support in the polls

Bucky

(54,068 posts)

13. Maybe he's got a surge in support from Syrian immigrants

Reply to bigdarryl (Reply #8)

Wed Oct 5, 2016, 11:28 PM

Oct 2016

Or there's a big draw off from Republican voters once they realized Johnson is potentially stupider than Trump.

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)

11. I am psyching myself into thinking that there was a big group of people toying

Reply to applegrove (Original post)

Wed Oct 5, 2016, 11:27 PM

Oct 2016

with the idea of voting for Trump, and the debate and his crazy ass middle of the night tweeting helped them make up their mind. Surely they can't all swing back. Jeez

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