2016 Postmortem
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FiveThirtyEightGary Johnson averaged just 7 percentage points in 11 polls1 released on Thursday, continuing a string of bad results for the Libertarian Party nominee. At the same time, the number of undecided voters appears to be falling. Those two trends are combining to remove some of the uncertainty in our forecasts historically, the number of undecided and third-party voters has been strongly correlated with both polling volatility and polling error. The share of voters not supporting the major-party candidates remains higher than it was at this point in the 2012 campaign, for example, but the more it shrinks, the safer Hillary Clintons lead becomes.
Clinton and Donald Trump now combine for a little over 84 percent of the vote. Thats the highest their combined share has been since we started issuing our forecasts in June.2 There hasnt been a huge change, but its meaningful.
All this shouldnt be too surprising. Were now only about a month away from the election; more voters are making up their minds. In recent elections, moreover, third-party candidates have tended to fade in the polls as Election Day approaches Johnson and Jill Stein, the Green Party nominee, appear to be following the same trend.
With more voters committed to one of the two major-party nominees, Trump simply has fewer people he can appeal to in order to make up his current deficit, which makes Clintons lead more secure. A 5-percentage-point lead with about 15 percent of the electorate undecided or voting for a third-party candidate (about where the race currently stands) is far better than a 5-point lead with over 20 percent of the electorate undecided or voting for a third-party candidate (about where the race was in mid-June). Thats part of the reason that Clintons chances of winning the election are in the upper 70s now, while they were in the low 70s back in June.
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)Their voters are good at yelling, but lazy at voting.
jpljr77
(1,004 posts)His final popular vote total in 2012 was 0.99%.
This guy, a former two-term governor, should be doing much, MUCH better in this particular election. But he just didn't bother learning....anything.
regnaD kciN
(26,045 posts)
with every single one of his votes coming from erstwhile conservative Republicans who can't bring themselves to vote for Drumpf.
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)But the past 3 weeks of polling (comparing 4-way to 2-way) shows the Johnson impact is about evenly split between Clinton and Trump. That tells me that there were about 3% of the voters who didn't really want to support Clinton and considered Johnson an alternative, if even for a protest vote. But as they get to know what a dumbass Johnson is, they have moved to Clinton.
I think those who are still naming Johnson in the polls are likely to either vote for Johnson or stay home, most likely the latter. After all, why go out to vote when you could be smoking a nice bag of weed?
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Pollster Matt McDermott points to this as an example of the floodgates opening.
The group recants the GOP presidential candidate's long list of insults and "lies," and said his "disgraceful candidacy is indefensible."
"As Republican members of Congress, we took pride in representing a political party that stood for honest and principled public leadership in which the American people could place their trust," they wrote in an open letter.
"Sadly, our party's nominee this year is a man who makes a mockery of the principles and values we have cherished and which we sought to represent in Congress."
The group includes key swing state figures, and is the largest showing of one-time GOP officials refusing to back the party's presidential nominee this year.