2016 Postmortem

tavernier

(12,389 posts) Fri Oct 7, 2016, 10:01 PM Oct 2016

What are the chances they replace him with Pence?

Can they even do that since early voting has started?

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What are the chances they replace him with Pence? (Original Post) tavernier Oct 2016 OP

I'm wondering if the timing of this tape being released was well calculated Siwsan Oct 2016 #1

Well, we were expecting an "October surprise"… regnaD kciN Oct 2016 #2

the can't change the ballots in many states, but unblock Oct 2016 #3

first trump has to drop out. Then the RNC needs to appoint a replacement. They could appoint still_one Oct 2016 #4

How exactly could they appoint someone when people are already voting? LisaL Oct 2016 #6

Those votes would only count for the trump/pence, not the "replacement candidate" still_one Oct 2016 #8

So it doesn't automatically go to Pence? tavernier Oct 2016 #7

I don't believe so. Those votes go to Trump/Pence. Only those who haven't voted still_one Oct 2016 #10

Nope. He was not nominated by the convention. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2016 #12

Doubtful. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2016 #5

Oh, ok tavernier Oct 2016 #11

Way too late Doctor Jack Oct 2016 #9

Damn! They CAN replace him. Rule 9 displacedtexan Oct 2016 #13

They can replace him if he quits, but they can't "fire" him The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2016 #14

I guess it depends on what tavernier Oct 2016 #15

Rule 9 reads, "dies, quits, or otherwise." However, it may be too late. displacedtexan Oct 2016 #16

Siwsan

(26,263 posts)

1. I'm wondering if the timing of this tape being released was well calculated

Reply to tavernier (Original post)

Fri Oct 7, 2016, 10:02 PM

Oct 2016

The time to fix this problem has likely passed its sell by date.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)

2. Well, we were expecting an "October surprise"…

Reply to Siwsan (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 7, 2016, 10:04 PM

Oct 2016

Who expected it would be coming from our side?

unblock

(52,243 posts)

3. the can't change the ballots in many states, but

Reply to tavernier (Original post)

Fri Oct 7, 2016, 10:04 PM

Oct 2016

they can engineer it so that if somehow they win, the actual electors in the electoral college will split their votes so that no one gets a majority, throwing the election into the house, who can then pick the other republican candidate.

as a practical matter, though, it's extremely difficult to see them announcing a new candidate at this late date and with all the mess and confusion, somehow winning in november.

still_one

(92,204 posts)

4. first trump has to drop out. Then the RNC needs to appoint a replacement. They could appoint

Reply to tavernier (Original post)

Fri Oct 7, 2016, 10:05 PM

Oct 2016

someone who refused to endorse trump like Kaisch

LisaL

(44,973 posts)

6. How exactly could they appoint someone when people are already voting?

Reply to still_one (Reply #4)

Fri Oct 7, 2016, 10:06 PM

Oct 2016

So their votes don't count?

still_one

(92,204 posts)

8. Those votes would only count for the trump/pence, not the "replacement candidate"

Reply to LisaL (Reply #6)

Fri Oct 7, 2016, 10:08 PM

Oct 2016

tavernier

(12,389 posts)

7. So it doesn't automatically go to Pence?

Reply to still_one (Reply #4)

Fri Oct 7, 2016, 10:08 PM

Oct 2016

I'm not familiar with that protocol.

still_one

(92,204 posts)

10. I don't believe so. Those votes go to Trump/Pence. Only those who haven't voted

Reply to tavernier (Reply #7)

Fri Oct 7, 2016, 10:09 PM

Oct 2016

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,719 posts)

12. Nope. He was not nominated by the convention.

Reply to tavernier (Reply #7)

Fri Oct 7, 2016, 10:11 PM

Oct 2016

He was only selected by the candidate. The RNC would have to nominate him and get him on the ballots of 50 states. And people have already been voting.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,719 posts)

5. Doubtful.

Reply to tavernier (Original post)

Fri Oct 7, 2016, 10:05 PM

Oct 2016

Trump was the legitimately-nominated candidate. The RNC have no power to "fire" him - he'd have to quit voluntarily. And if he did (which is doubtful; he doesn't think he did anything wrong), that wouldn't make Pence the automatic candidate because he'd have to be nominated by the RNC as the presidential candidate, and it's not clear they can do that without reconvening. Furthermore, people have already started voting and their votes for Trump don't automatically convert to Pence votes because Pence isn't on the ballot in any state as the presidential candidate. It's a mess.

I love it.

tavernier

(12,389 posts)

11. Oh, ok

Reply to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #5)

Fri Oct 7, 2016, 10:10 PM

Oct 2016

Tanks!

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)

9. Way too late

Reply to tavernier (Original post)

Fri Oct 7, 2016, 10:09 PM

Oct 2016

Almost every state's ballot is locked in and even if they could change it, Trump likely has many early votes already cast. The RNC can't say "we are just going to count the Trump votes as Mike Pence votes" or whatever. It doesn't matter who they would run, it would be absolute chaos for the republicans.

displacedtexan

(15,696 posts)

13. Damn! They CAN replace him. Rule 9

Reply to tavernier (Original post)

Fri Oct 7, 2016, 10:11 PM

Oct 2016

The party’s Rule 9 states that the party has the power “to fill any and all vacancies which may occur by reason of death, declination, or otherwise.”

Q: How does the party find a new nominee?

A: According to Rule 9, the party has two options. It can either reconvene the entire convention – a costly, complicated venture. Or it can convene the full 168-member Republican National Committee, composed of a state party chairman, a national committeeman and a national committeewoman from each U.S. state and territory, to vote for a new nominee. Party officials say that the committee would likely default to the latter scenario.

Oops! Maybe it's too late to change the names on the ballot.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/08/04/qa-what-would-happen-if-a-presidential-nominee-quit/

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,719 posts)

14. They can replace him if he quits, but they can't "fire" him

Reply to displacedtexan (Reply #13)

Fri Oct 7, 2016, 10:13 PM

Oct 2016

if he doesn't want to quit. True, they can reconvene and select someone else if he quits, but how would they get the new candidate on the ballots in 50 states at this point?

tavernier

(12,389 posts)

15. I guess it depends on what

Reply to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #14)

Fri Oct 7, 2016, 10:17 PM

Oct 2016

Or Otherwise means.

displacedtexan

(15,696 posts)

16. Rule 9 reads, "dies, quits, or otherwise." However, it may be too late.

Reply to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #14)

Fri Oct 7, 2016, 10:17 PM

Oct 2016

They're probably trying to figure out a way to get rid of him, bit they may be stuck with him.

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