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Chemisse

(30,813 posts)
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 11:51 PM Oct 2016

Why did this tape finally break Trump (if it did)?

The tape was no surprise to any of us here. It's been obvious all along that this is just the kind of vile asshole Trump is.

There is a mountain of information that has been revealed about Trump - all of it very bad. I would contend that some of it is even worse than this taped conversation. Yet until now, his candidacy has been treated seriously and polls showed he came very close to Hillary at several points.

Trump has been legitimized by the media's willingness to overlook or minimize damaging stories about him. When mentioned, they babble about the need for an apology or a pivot, while downplaying the evidence of his total lack of fitness for the job. There are a few exceptions - the Khan disaster and the 'fat' Miss Universe come to mind. But they are treated like political miscalculations or mistakes rather than signs of deep character flaws.

The polls diverged again once the public was able to make an unfiltered comparison of the two candidates in the first debate. Since then, the news media has shown signs of conceding defeat it the effort to prop him up.

They are treating this lewd tape like a serious, deal-breaking story. Would they have done the same if it had broken 3 months ago? Is this the start of a snowball effect, where they will suddenly pile onto the loser? If so, they have plenty to bury him with!

Or will they recover (or I should say relapse) and soon be talking about the need for a better apology, or a new campaign manager, or more study time for Trump so he can recoup in the next debate?

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Why did this tape finally break Trump (if it did)? (Original Post) Chemisse Oct 2016 OP
Even in this whacked out campaign I can't imagine repairing this underpants Oct 2016 #1
This one hurts him because he admitted trying to get a married woman to cheat NoGoodNamesLeft Oct 2016 #2
And he had been married only a few months himself ailsagirl Oct 2016 #3
whether a few months or a few decades of marriage, ginnyinWI Oct 2016 #27
Of course it's wrong ailsagirl Oct 2016 #30
He admitted to being a sexual predator. #GrabEmByThePussy is a criminal count in every state. Coyotl Oct 2016 #12
I bet every one of his primary opponents is wondering how they missed it. cyberswede Oct 2016 #4
its not he said she said or documents or reporters, its his own words n/t LSK Oct 2016 #5
I agree in most respects frazzled Oct 2016 #6
'They' didn't stop Palin. 'They' didn't bolster Romney. And 'they' let Trump walk in unvetted. randome Oct 2016 #17
Not him. It breaks the GOP. Hekate Oct 2016 #7
Not even close Cosmocat Oct 2016 #13
I expect the next 4 years to be ugly as sin. But IF we can have at least one House behind Hillary... Hekate Oct 2016 #22
Best case scenario Cosmocat Oct 2016 #33
It is because it was all said in private, behind closed doors and reveals the true man. Up until now TeamPooka Oct 2016 #8
Audio. His own words. Assault. Disrespect. Unfaithfulness. His own words. Audio. Video. Madam45for2923 Oct 2016 #9
Because while words hurt, he admitted to a form of sexual assault mythology Oct 2016 #10
Tipping point, last straw...choose your metaphor Maeve Oct 2016 #11
They're saying he needs to have a great debate tomorrow to overcome this ecstatic Oct 2016 #14
They're already trying to prop him back up. Chemisse Oct 2016 #18
Anyone know where I can find... jcgoldie Oct 2016 #15
Sounds like it will be a fun gathering! Chemisse Oct 2016 #19
Doubt there will be much debate jcgoldie Oct 2016 #20
And yet they will have to spend hours looking at that hat. Chemisse Oct 2016 #21
it's unspinnable eShirl Oct 2016 #16
From Wikipedia: Scurrilous Oct 2016 #23
That does seem an apt description of what's happened with this tape. Chemisse Oct 2016 #24
This can stop him if we stop focusing on his vile choice of words rustydog Oct 2016 #25
Because the right believes the myth of liberal media and thinks everything FSogol Oct 2016 #26
Look at the timing of outing of those tax returns, then this crap. Next Friday there will be more. tonyt53 Oct 2016 #28
Trump on tape can't be denied, compounded with his reputation beachbumbob Oct 2016 #29
odd election themonster Oct 2016 #31
It is about sex KT2000 Oct 2016 #32

underpants

(182,811 posts)
1. Even in this whacked out campaign I can't imagine repairing this
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 11:54 PM
Oct 2016

It is the body of evidence as you say but this one is a knock out blow. It has to be.

 

NoGoodNamesLeft

(2,056 posts)
2. This one hurts him because he admitted trying to get a married woman to cheat
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 12:01 AM
Oct 2016

And he talked about pressuring her badly and kept saying she was married. Then he proved that he has a sense of entitlement that because he's famous he can just take whatever he wants from women...even married women.

This is not only about women. It's him disrespecting married men and the family. The religious folks frown on that.

ailsagirl

(22,897 posts)
3. And he had been married only a few months himself
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 12:03 AM
Oct 2016

I think he reached the tipping point with this latest scandal

Enough is enough

ginnyinWI

(17,276 posts)
27. whether a few months or a few decades of marriage,
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 03:00 PM
Oct 2016

this behavior is wrong.

If it were only "talk" then the lies of a braggart wouldn't matter so much. But there are witnesses to his behavior too.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
12. He admitted to being a sexual predator. #GrabEmByThePussy is a criminal count in every state.
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 09:15 AM
Oct 2016

Plus, the admission he is a sexual predator comes a few days before his court case for raping a 13 year old girl.



He branded himself as unimaginably repulsive to the average voter, the guy who will burn in Hell to Christians. No way can they now vote for him.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
6. I agree in most respects
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 12:38 AM
Oct 2016

It angers me that the vile racist remarks, the attacks on the Khans, and all the rest did not generate the same overwhelming outrage. Maybe it was because those remarks somehow fit into a political narrative that was pretty close to Republican orthodoxy anyway. Maybe it was because second-hand stories about his character are never quite as compelling as hearing his own words unvarnished. Or maybe this was just the straw that broke the camel's back.

I hope the Republicans learned a lesson. They should have stopped his train wreck of a candidacy early in the primaries. They probably had plenty of oppo to use, maybe even this very tape. They thought he was appealing to people and were afraid to step in. They'll never do that again. Maybe.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
17. 'They' didn't stop Palin. 'They' didn't bolster Romney. And 'they' let Trump walk in unvetted.
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 10:08 AM
Oct 2016

Who is this 'they' you speak of? From what I can see, no one is in charge of the GOP. No one.
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Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
13. Not even close
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 09:18 AM
Oct 2016

We will see what we have seen in an increasingly vile and mean spirited manner of the last quarter century if Hillary wins.

1) Republicans will act like full on jackasses
2) Republicans will blame Hillary for them being jackasses
3) The media will GLEEFULLY enable the republicans by channneling their bullshit narrative that Hillary is to blame for them being assholes
4) The democrats will crawl in a corner and let Hillary get steam rolled
5) The addle minded "middle" will come away from it thinking Hillary did something wrong
6) The republicans will continue to dominate at the state level and have a big mid term win

Hekate

(90,692 posts)
22. I expect the next 4 years to be ugly as sin. But IF we can have at least one House behind Hillary...
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 02:47 PM
Oct 2016

Last edited Sat Oct 8, 2016, 04:40 PM - Edit history (1)

...and if (a gigantic if) we can turn out Dems for the midterm and keep that majority, things will be better.

I want Trump obliterated. His out from under every rock supporters will still be with us, but I want them to blame the GOP and not HRC for their loss. I am hoping Trump takes it all down with him.

This is the blood the media sharks smell in the water, and this is what the remaining sane Republicans smell as well.

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
33. Best case scenario
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 04:14 PM
Oct 2016

is getting the senate by a hair, somehow getting justices confirmed (and that will be ugly x 1,000,000) which will be what ACA was for generating a raving lunatic turnout in 18 and having another huge house gain and the senate going back to them. Then, 2 more years of the last 6 years with BHO, jackshit getting done.

TeamPooka

(24,227 posts)
8. It is because it was all said in private, behind closed doors and reveals the true man. Up until now
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 02:39 AM
Oct 2016

crazy shit has been said in public with the guise or excuse of entertainment as he used that excuse the other day
All that bad crazy stuff on Howard stern was to promote my TV show. etc
I'm an entertainer etc

this is him being him
cant hide that
authenticly Trump
now the real man.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
10. Because while words hurt, he admitted to a form of sexual assault
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 09:03 AM
Oct 2016

That's a different sort of violation than having a bigot call you names. You expect that out of a bigot. I'm not saying that those shouldn't have been disqualifying, but it's fundamentally different than actually putting your hands on somebody.

It's why for example I can legally call somebody an asshole and it's an illegal assault for them to punch me for it.

Maeve

(42,282 posts)
11. Tipping point, last straw...choose your metaphor
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 09:11 AM
Oct 2016

The last drop of water that breaks the dam...it's just finally hit the 'enough is too much!" point when he was already on the edge of the abyss.

ecstatic

(32,705 posts)
14. They're saying he needs to have a great debate tomorrow to overcome this
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 09:21 AM
Oct 2016

instead of saying that he should step down.



I guess all is well if he puts on a great, fact free performance tomorrow. Nevermind the fact that he condoned and admitted to engaging in sexual assault at 60 years old.

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
15. Anyone know where I can find...
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 10:04 AM
Oct 2016

... one of those stupid Trump trucker hats that says "Grab her by the pussy" instead of Make America great again? I think I'll need one for an upcoming family gathering with the super religious Trump supporting side of the family.

Chemisse

(30,813 posts)
19. Sounds like it will be a fun gathering!
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 10:58 AM
Oct 2016

At least if you enjoy rowdy political debates. The hat will be perfect.

Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
23. From Wikipedia:
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 02:52 PM
Oct 2016

"The idiom the straw that broke the camel's back, alluding to the proverb "it is the last straw that breaks the camel's back", describes the seemingly minor or routine action which causes an unpredictably large and sudden reaction, because of the cumulative effect of small actions."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_that_broke_the_camel%27s_back

Chemisse

(30,813 posts)
24. That does seem an apt description of what's happened with this tape.
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 02:55 PM
Oct 2016

Although other people have made really good points about what he really crossing a line, and it's out there in his own words.

rustydog

(9,186 posts)
25. This can stop him if we stop focusing on his vile choice of words
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 02:56 PM
Oct 2016

and have a LAZER focus on his confessed sexual assault. He bragged about grabbing a woman's pubic area without her consent. Now there are women coming out with frightening stories of Trump's unsolicited sexual predation.
What he did would put a poorer man in prison for rape or attempted rape.

FSogol

(45,487 posts)
26. Because the right believes the myth of liberal media and thinks everything
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 02:57 PM
Oct 2016

against Trumpy is exaggerated. Of course when you have a video of Trumpy saying even worse things, the media excuse evaporates.

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
28. Look at the timing of outing of those tax returns, then this crap. Next Friday there will be more.
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 03:02 PM
Oct 2016

Using Trump's own words and actions to expose just who and what he is, isn't dirty tricks. It isn't even dirty politics. It is saving the rest of us from being completely embarrassed by him as prez. Next week, if Trump is still running (and there is little the GOP can do at this point), there will be something even worse.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
29. Trump on tape can't be denied, compounded with his reputation
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 03:02 PM
Oct 2016

And attack on miss universe...can't deny...

themonster

(137 posts)
31. odd election
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 03:07 PM
Oct 2016

In the past, the things that Trump said would have ended a politician's candidacy long age. When Trump made those comments about John McCain, I thought that would have hurt him. We love our veterans. There are a lot of angry people out there and Trump fed their anger.

KT2000

(20,581 posts)
32. It is about sex
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 03:26 PM
Oct 2016

In this country nothing equals the status of a sex scandal.
Ridiculing a man with a disability, overt racism, misogyny, cheating veterans, setting up phony financial transactions - nothing.
Maybe those were too hard to understand or they validated peoples' prejudices, which makes people feel comfortable.

But sex is easy to understand and holds a premier place in our understanding of morality. The GOP is obsessed with anything "sex" and this does not fit their narrative. Even they know this is a scandal about a sexual predator.

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