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Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 02:06 AM Oct 2016

If Trump Drops Out, The Result Will Be A Horrible Legal Quagmire

Some Republicans are now calling for Trump to drop out.

Well.....
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let’s say that Trump agrees to drop out. Then what? As it turns out, the answer to that is quite complicated, and it hinges upon what 50 different state laws have to say about when Trump makes the decision to leave the race.

Although the presidency is a national job, each state has broad leeway to set procedures governing the presidential election in that state. Many of them enacted laws governing candidates who wish to withdraw from a race which can be quite unforgiving — especially as the election draws nigh. West Virginia, for example, provides that a candidate who wishes to withdraw from an election must file a statement “not later than eighty-four days before the general election,”

So even if Trump wants to remove his name from many states’ ballots, it is unlikely that he will be able to do so.
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Recall that, under the Constitution, voters do not vote directly for presidential candidates. They elect members of the Electoral College who themselves choose the next president. Most states have laws that attempt to bind electors to actually vote for the presidential candidate preferred by the state’s voters, but these bans on so-called “faithless” electors vary in subtle but important ways that could have significant implications if Trump does withdraw from the race.
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even if Trump’s name is removed from the ballot in states like South Carolina or Alabama, the electors may still be bound to vote for Trump if they previously declared their intention to do so. Meanwhile, electors from states with Wyoming-style laws appear to be bound to Trump if Trump’s name appears on the ballot and he wins the most votes, even if Trump has otherwise withdrawn from the race.

But that is, of course, assuming that these faithless elector laws are constitutional. The Twelfth Amendment provides that “the Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President.” That provision can quite plausibly be read to delegate the power to elect a president solely to the discretion of the electors themselves. Though the courts have never needed to resolve this question, it is far from clear that state lawmakers have the power to take this discretion away from members of the Electoral College.

Were Trump to withdraw, in other words, such a withdraw would trigger a morass of state statutes, many of which would yield different results in different states. High stakes litigation would also ensue — with little, if any precedents to guide the litigants and judges — in order to determine how members of the Electoral College should behave. Similar litigation would almost certainly result in state courts, as various state-level officials struggled to determine which name should appear on their ballots.

It would, in other words, be an enormous stimulus package for election lawyers, but a confusing morass for actual voters.

https://thinkprogress.org/if-trump-drops-out-the-result-will-be-a-horrible-legal-quagmire-40c9e4affb66#.t7x5w9mk6

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So much for the simple expediency of Trump dropping out and Pence taking his place.

If he drops out he will remain on the ballot in some states and in other states if he still wins a majority of votes there will be a horrible and expensive legal morass that the state will have to manage and pay for.

Of course the states that vote for Hillary will have none of these problems.



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If Trump Drops Out, The Result Will Be A Horrible Legal Quagmire (Original Post) Kablooie Oct 2016 OP
There will be no legal quagmire alcibiades_mystery Oct 2016 #1
There could still be states in which he gets the majority of votes. Kablooie Oct 2016 #2
Won't matter alcibiades_mystery Oct 2016 #3
Legally the states will have to have their electors vote according the law. Kablooie Oct 2016 #4
The Democrats offered their exboyfil Oct 2016 #5
Yep. Every state will have to deal with the legal issue of the GOP changing their candidate. Kablooie Oct 2016 #6
You have to wonder if the RNC even has exboyfil Oct 2016 #7
Can you imagine if this ended up as a Supreme court case with a 4 -4 tie overcome. clutterbox1830 Oct 2016 #8
Easy canetoad Oct 2016 #9
What a glorious clusterfuck. (nt) MirrorAshes Oct 2016 #10
 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
1. There will be no legal quagmire
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 02:08 AM
Oct 2016

The Republicans have offered their candidate. His name is on the ballot. If he drops out, he will lose in a landslide. Speculations that consider any other result are stupid and irrelevant.

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
2. There could still be states in which he gets the majority of votes.
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 02:13 AM
Oct 2016

Even if he's out his rabid zombie army will still vote for him because they want America to be grating again.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
3. Won't matter
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 02:15 AM
Oct 2016

The loss will be so severe that nobody will bother spending money on his disastrous candidacy.

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
4. Legally the states will have to have their electors vote according the law.
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 02:19 AM
Oct 2016

It won't affect the election but it could create massive legal problems for the states that are forced by law to vote for a candidate that doesn't exist.

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
5. The Democrats offered their
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 02:23 AM
Oct 2016

candidate Torricelli in the 2002 New Jersey Senate race. In October they pulled his name for Lautenberg.

The NJ Supreme Court affirmed the right to do this. The U.S. Supreme Court did not take the case.

http://articles.philly.com/2002-10-08/news/25352986_1_douglas-forrester-democratic-officials-new-jersey-supreme-court

50 states - 50 different state supreme courts. A U.S. Supreme Court in which every partisan decision will be 4-4.

It will be a mess.

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
6. Yep. Every state will have to deal with the legal issue of the GOP changing their candidate.
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 02:29 AM
Oct 2016

And they will have to decide at Tesla insane mode speed.
Only a little over 4 weeks left.
I'll bet most states have already printed up all their materials.

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
7. You have to wonder if the RNC even has
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 02:49 AM
Oct 2016

the money to print the replacement ballots. Could you imagine the scandal if they try to get the Republican controlled states to print those ballots? Talk about disenfranchising the military voters. All those absentee ballots already sent in?

If they go that route we can declare it the Employment Opportunity Act for Lawyers and Printers.

clutterbox1830

(395 posts)
8. Can you imagine if this ended up as a Supreme court case with a 4 -4 tie overcome.
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 02:57 AM
Oct 2016

This is crazy that Trump resigns from the election and the Republican select Pence as his replacement.

Pence "might" collect all votes even with Trump's name on it.
The Supreme court might end up taking the case if the state court cannot decide.
There could ultimately end up being a 4-4 tie in the SC... then what happens. idk ???

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