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Wikileak docs altered. (Original Post) Cattledog Oct 2016 OP
Like the supposed thing with the folder clearly labeled "pay for play"? Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #1
Who altered them? Julian, or Vlad? MADem Oct 2016 #2
" " " " n/t MBS Oct 2016 #8
You seem to be correct. Lunabell Oct 2016 #12
Minions JHB Oct 2016 #20
Assange, the useful tool of the shirtless one! nt MADem Oct 2016 #35
Neither, apparently. Jim Lane Oct 2016 #31
And we believe them, why? It's amazing how they've avoided publishing damning MADem Oct 2016 #37
Because the "evidence" against them is a retracted Fox News lie. Jim Lane Oct 2016 #40
Who was the "someone else?" MADem Oct 2016 #43
I warned of this about a month ago. politicaljunkie41910 Oct 2016 #34
Of course a desperate attempt MFM008 Oct 2016 #3
Drumpf and Assange Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2016 #4
" " " " n/t MBS Oct 2016 #9
So true.. Cha Oct 2016 #17
Brilliant! LOL! nt MADem Oct 2016 #38
Megan Kelly's apology at the end sounded as sincere as dipshit donnies. duncang Oct 2016 #5
I knew they were altered. Demsrule86 Oct 2016 #6
No, seriously... Helen Borg Oct 2016 #7
They've done it before. Jim__ Oct 2016 #10
What is the evidence that she said these words? vdogg Oct 2016 #11
And DU's resident Assange apologist arrives. Dr Hobbitstein Oct 2016 #14
Aren't you precious? nt Codeine Oct 2016 #15
Here: the 'bucket of losers' remarks came from a fake news site a week ago muriel_volestrangler Oct 2016 #16
Yes seriously. Demsrule86 Oct 2016 #22
Don't act so surprised, my dear Blue_Tires Oct 2016 #24
After 3 years here, this board just may not be the best place for you. Fla Dem Oct 2016 #25
There has been proof that other Wikileaks documents were altered. pnwmom Oct 2016 #30
FoxNews is the "bucket of losers" who got punked. Coyotl Oct 2016 #13
That's good news democrattotheend Oct 2016 #18
Wiki is over. nt Demsrule86 Oct 2016 #23
The Jackass Radicals will have moar sadz ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2016 #19
Those people are cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs shrike Oct 2016 #21
I never expected less from them C_U_L8R Oct 2016 #26
Post removed Post removed Oct 2016 #27
The GoP and Trump after self-immolating at the moment... SaschaHM Oct 2016 #28
Well, yes, she certainly would have done better to have released them months ago. Jim Lane Oct 2016 #29
It might be a good time to release them for that reason democrattotheend Oct 2016 #36
You'll forgive the person who is currently destroying her opponent Codeine Oct 2016 #32
That is absolutely correct. Helen Borg Oct 2016 #33
Why am I not surprised that you agree that Hillary should release the tapes that have nothing to do Demsrule86 Oct 2016 #41
No absolutely not. Demsrule86 Oct 2016 #39
"A bucket of losers" LOL! herding cats Oct 2016 #42

MADem

(135,425 posts)
2. Who altered them? Julian, or Vlad?
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 05:33 AM
Oct 2016

Now maybe people will start to understand that wikileaks is closer to a Russian game of influence than a truth-telling/seeking organization.

Lunabell

(6,082 posts)
12. You seem to be correct.
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 08:17 AM
Oct 2016

I wish there were more to corroborate this. Clearly Russia is trying to get trump elected.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
31. Neither, apparently.
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 02:32 PM
Oct 2016
Wikileaks has stated that it did not publish the "bucket of losers" quotation. That was a fake added by someone else after Wikileaks made its (accurate) publication.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
37. And we believe them, why? It's amazing how they've avoided publishing damning
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 05:04 PM
Oct 2016

Russian material that they've said they had....

Sorry, I am not taking Assange's word for anything. If he told me it was noontime, I'd check my own watch.

I think the only reason that he's still in that embassy is because Vlad is paying his "rent."

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
40. Because the "evidence" against them is a retracted Fox News lie.
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 05:40 PM
Oct 2016

If you charge that Wikileaks published phony documents, then, IMO, the burden is on you to show it.

What happened here is that phony documents were published by someone else; then Fox News, hoping to augment its own minimal-to-nonexistent credibility by borrowing that of Wikileaks, falsely attributed the documents to Wikileaks.

Takeaways:
1. Clinton did not say "bucket of losers" about Bernie's supporters. That lie was probably being pushed by Trump supporters who continue to try to drive a wedge between those who were pro-Clinton in the primary and those who were pro-Bernie.
2. Th departure of Roger Ailes from Fox News has not changed anything fundamental at the "We distort, you comply" channel.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
43. Who was the "someone else?"
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 06:07 PM
Oct 2016

You're the one making that assertion, there--and don't tell me "Faux Snooze."

They GOT those documents in that condition. Who changed 'em?

All Signs Point to Vladimir. And all tools look like Assange, or someone who took direction from him.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
34. I warned of this about a month ago.
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 03:27 PM
Oct 2016

Rather Malcolm Nance did, and I just wrote about it here on DU. He stated that the Security agencies were concerned that they might try to influence the elections by altering the emails after first having gained the public's trust with some of the leaked emails which could be authenticated. Now it appears that he was right and good for him. That's him taking a bow there in the OP's tweet.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512416455

duncang

(1,907 posts)
5. Megan Kelly's apology at the end sounded as sincere as dipshit donnies.
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 06:34 AM
Oct 2016

faux news approved and edited by the russian government.

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
6. I knew they were altered.
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 06:58 AM
Oct 2016

Hillary does not talk like that...and come on you could tell whoever wrote them (Russians) had knowledge that Hillary won the primary and was the candidate...stupid person wrote them.

Helen Borg

(3,963 posts)
7. No, seriously...
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 07:43 AM
Oct 2016

What is the evidence they were altered? A campaign denying it is not serious evidence. The way people speak in public is not the way they write emails or speak in private.

Jim__

(14,077 posts)
10. They've done it before.
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 08:02 AM
Oct 2016

For instance, with the DNC leaked e-mails - here.

The trouble with lying is that once you're caught, you're caught. Fool me once ...

vdogg

(1,384 posts)
11. What is the evidence that she said these words?
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 08:05 AM
Oct 2016

You're taking documents delivered to wikileaks by Russian intelligence at face value. In this country, you have to prove guilt, not innocence.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
14. And DU's resident Assange apologist arrives.
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 09:39 AM
Oct 2016

Protip: your hero is a scumbag who is trying to get Trump elected.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,320 posts)
16. Here: the 'bucket of losers' remarks came from a fake news site a week ago
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 10:20 AM
Oct 2016
Within hours of those documents going online, though, a fake transcript began making the rounds. It includes a section where Clinton supposedly refers to “a collection of generally under-represented, low social capital individuals” as a “bucket of losers.”
...
But this fake transcript has actually been online since at least October 2 — five days before the WikiLeaks release. It was published by the totally dubious site RealTrueNews.org.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilverman/that-bucket-of-losers-clinton-speech-transcript-is-totally-f?utm_term=.yydaab6Mz#.rkXmmKzxP

And that's why Fox News apologised for broadcasting them.

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
22. Yes seriously.
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 11:53 AM
Oct 2016

They are altered. It is clear. In fact Megyn Kelly had to apologize for reading from them.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
30. There has been proof that other Wikileaks documents were altered.
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 02:31 PM
Oct 2016

Since we know Wikileaks does this, why shouldn't we assume they're altered unless proven otherwise?

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
18. That's good news
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 10:26 AM
Oct 2016

I have been worried about the Wikileaks thing - not just what was released but what else they might have. I think anyone would look bad if all of their private and/or campaign e-mails are released - it shows the sausage being made. And it could be especially damaging to Hillary because people already think she is not trustworthy, thanks to the media pimping that narrative.

If some of the docs are not real then it is impossible to know what is and it will discredit everything wikileaks releases.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
19. The Jackass Radicals will have moar sadz
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 10:34 AM
Oct 2016

They are apoplectic that this bullshit nothing burger has already been ignored while their boy Donald keeps proving why only total fucking idiots believe there's an actual "choice" to be made in this election.

C_U_L8R

(45,002 posts)
26. I never expected less from them
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 12:15 PM
Oct 2016

Of course they're gonna doctor up docs with phony crap.
Take a handful of genuine yet innocuous stolen mails
mix em up with similar looking but damning contrived nonsense.
Bingo, instant rightwing conspiracy.

Response to Cattledog (Original post)

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
28. The GoP and Trump after self-immolating at the moment...
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 02:11 PM
Oct 2016

She's not going to do a single thing to distract from that. Maybe after the debate/at the debate, but not right night. Hell, now that the floodgates have opened on every claim of sexual harassment/assault against Trump, this story will probably be forgotten (which is more or less has).

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
29. Well, yes, she certainly would have done better to have released them months ago.
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 02:28 PM
Oct 2016

Perhaps her best course now would be complete candor about the political motivation: "This horrible tape of Donald Trump, and the reaction to it even from longtime Republicans, highlights the point that the American people have a right to full information about those who would lead them. That's why, unlike Donald Trump, I've released my tax returns. I see now that, on the same principle, it was a mistake for me to refuse to release these transcripts. While people are discussing the latest Trump revelation, I'll be assembling a collection. I'll release it one week from today because I don't want to distract from Trump's disgusting remarks about women."

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
36. It might be a good time to release them for that reason
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 05:03 PM
Oct 2016

With everyone so preoccupied by the Trump scandal, it might be a good time to do a news dump.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
32. You'll forgive the person who is currently destroying her opponent
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 02:35 PM
Oct 2016

if she ignores your advice, I'm sure.

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
41. Why am I not surprised that you agree that Hillary should release the tapes that have nothing to do
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 05:42 PM
Oct 2016

with the presidency in the last 30 days of an election and take the focus off of Trumps failures? Now you are a Hillary supporter, right?

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
39. No absolutely not.
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 05:39 PM
Oct 2016

Why would she do that so...the press who want a horse race could misinterpret remarks and make trouble...those were private talks for business...it has nothing to do with the presidency.

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