2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWikileak docs altered.
So it looks like the Wiki dump is full of altered emails, etc.
http://crooksandliars.com/2016/10/megyn-kelly-forced-apologize-air-reading
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Yeah, that was convincing.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Now maybe people will start to understand that wikileaks is closer to a Russian game of influence than a truth-telling/seeking organization.
Lunabell
(6,082 posts)I wish there were more to corroborate this. Clearly Russia is trying to get trump elected.
Not the yellow silly kind.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Russian material that they've said they had....
Sorry, I am not taking Assange's word for anything. If he told me it was noontime, I'd check my own watch.
I think the only reason that he's still in that embassy is because Vlad is paying his "rent."
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)If you charge that Wikileaks published phony documents, then, IMO, the burden is on you to show it.
What happened here is that phony documents were published by someone else; then Fox News, hoping to augment its own minimal-to-nonexistent credibility by borrowing that of Wikileaks, falsely attributed the documents to Wikileaks.
Takeaways:
1. Clinton did not say "bucket of losers" about Bernie's supporters. That lie was probably being pushed by Trump supporters who continue to try to drive a wedge between those who were pro-Clinton in the primary and those who were pro-Bernie.
2. Th departure of Roger Ailes from Fox News has not changed anything fundamental at the "We distort, you comply" channel.
MADem
(135,425 posts)You're the one making that assertion, there--and don't tell me "Faux Snooze."
They GOT those documents in that condition. Who changed 'em?
All Signs Point to Vladimir. And all tools look like Assange, or someone who took direction from him.
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)Rather Malcolm Nance did, and I just wrote about it here on DU. He stated that the Security agencies were concerned that they might try to influence the elections by altering the emails after first having gained the public's trust with some of the leaked emails which could be authenticated. Now it appears that he was right and good for him. That's him taking a bow there in the OP's tweet.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512416455
MFM008
(19,814 posts)To raise the Titanic ( maggots campaign).
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,009 posts)Pervs of a feather.
MBS
(9,688 posts)Cha
(297,267 posts)"pervs of a feather"
MADem
(135,425 posts)duncang
(1,907 posts)faux news approved and edited by the russian government.
Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)Hillary does not talk like that...and come on you could tell whoever wrote them (Russians) had knowledge that Hillary won the primary and was the candidate...stupid person wrote them.
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)What is the evidence they were altered? A campaign denying it is not serious evidence. The way people speak in public is not the way they write emails or speak in private.
vdogg
(1,384 posts)You're taking documents delivered to wikileaks by Russian intelligence at face value. In this country, you have to prove guilt, not innocence.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Protip: your hero is a scumbag who is trying to get Trump elected.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,320 posts)...
But this fake transcript has actually been online since at least October 2 five days before the WikiLeaks release. It was published by the totally dubious site RealTrueNews.org.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilverman/that-bucket-of-losers-clinton-speech-transcript-is-totally-f?utm_term=.yydaab6Mz#.rkXmmKzxP
And that's why Fox News apologised for broadcasting them.
Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)They are altered. It is clear. In fact Megyn Kelly had to apologize for reading from them.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)they've been busted fabricating shit before
Fla Dem
(23,677 posts)pnwmom
(108,978 posts)Since we know Wikileaks does this, why shouldn't we assume they're altered unless proven otherwise?
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)I have been worried about the Wikileaks thing - not just what was released but what else they might have. I think anyone would look bad if all of their private and/or campaign e-mails are released - it shows the sausage being made. And it could be especially damaging to Hillary because people already think she is not trustworthy, thanks to the media pimping that narrative.
If some of the docs are not real then it is impossible to know what is and it will discredit everything wikileaks releases.
Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)They are apoplectic that this bullshit nothing burger has already been ignored while their boy Donald keeps proving why only total fucking idiots believe there's an actual "choice" to be made in this election.
shrike
(3,817 posts)That is all.
C_U_L8R
(45,002 posts)Of course they're gonna doctor up docs with phony crap.
Take a handful of genuine yet innocuous stolen mails
mix em up with similar looking but damning contrived nonsense.
Bingo, instant rightwing conspiracy.
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SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)She's not going to do a single thing to distract from that. Maybe after the debate/at the debate, but not right night. Hell, now that the floodgates have opened on every claim of sexual harassment/assault against Trump, this story will probably be forgotten (which is more or less has).
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Perhaps her best course now would be complete candor about the political motivation: "This horrible tape of Donald Trump, and the reaction to it even from longtime Republicans, highlights the point that the American people have a right to full information about those who would lead them. That's why, unlike Donald Trump, I've released my tax returns. I see now that, on the same principle, it was a mistake for me to refuse to release these transcripts. While people are discussing the latest Trump revelation, I'll be assembling a collection. I'll release it one week from today because I don't want to distract from Trump's disgusting remarks about women."
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)With everyone so preoccupied by the Trump scandal, it might be a good time to do a news dump.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)if she ignores your advice, I'm sure.
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)with the presidency in the last 30 days of an election and take the focus off of Trumps failures? Now you are a Hillary supporter, right?
Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)Why would she do that so...the press who want a horse race could misinterpret remarks and make trouble...those were private talks for business...it has nothing to do with the presidency.
herding cats
(19,564 posts)What did Putin do, hire a fanfic "author" to alter the documents?