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MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
4. How can they replace somebody who is already on ballots? Early voting is happening as we type.
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 11:59 AM
Oct 2016

This makes no sense. I do not think they can replace Deplorable at this point.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
5. Ballots already printed so if a new RNC presdential candidate
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 12:06 PM
Oct 2016

Is selected...it would have to a be a write in format..and how do you think that work...not too well..GOP is stuck as trump will never resign..and if he did.the bulk of his supporters would sit home

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
8. the ob prob with that is that most of the basketful of deps CANT WRITE!
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 12:17 PM
Oct 2016

neither can I, apparently

how are they going to scratch in pence's name?

more likely, they'll STILL vote for dumpo

still_one

(92,204 posts)
6. Only if Trump drops out. Otherwise no, nothing they can do. Even then, as you point out
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 12:09 PM
Oct 2016

the ballots have already been printed, so it would have to be a write-in campaign.

If Trump drops out, the rnc would choose a replacement, then they could play games with the electoral college, and try to influence the electors to pledge the votes for Trump/Pence, to go for the rnc's new pick if Trump dropped out. Of course that would only apply to states that Trump/Pence won, not the one's Hillary one, and even then it is a long shot

relayerbob

(6,544 posts)
2. He won't be
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 11:58 AM
Oct 2016

He wasn't nominatd as Pres, only as VP. The RNC has to decide that, but in any case, it can't happen now. It's too late

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
3. He wouldn't
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 11:58 AM
Oct 2016
There are two ways for the Republicans to re-nominate a candidate if Trump drops out. 1) They could reconvene at another convention and have all of the 2,472 delegates vote, or 2) the 168-member committee could decide with each member getting a portion of votes based on the population of the state they represent. Number 2 seems like a more likely scenario.

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/heres-what-happens-if-donald-trump-drops-out-of-presidential-race/

still_one

(92,204 posts)
7. It would be selection 2 if that happened, and it would be a convoluted mess. They could
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 12:14 PM
Oct 2016

try for a massive write-in campaign, or try to influence the electors that if Trump/Pence won a particular state, for those electors to instead cast their vote for the RNC replacement if trump dropped out. I believe that would also depend on the State law

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
9. a bewildered Chuck Todd said it's option number two this morning. he thinks it's OVAH
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 12:19 PM
Oct 2016

for the dumpster

still_one

(92,204 posts)
11. LOL. It is, but that is the case regardless whether trump stays in or drops out, it is
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 12:25 PM
Oct 2016

"OVAH" for both him and the republicans, at least as far as the white house is concerned, hopefully the Senate, and gosh it sure would be something if the House changed control


sofa king

(10,857 posts)
12. Here's the rules
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 12:51 PM
Oct 2016
https://s3.amazonaws.com/prod-static-ngop-pbl/docs/2016-Republican-Rules-FINAL.pdf

I would have to go over previous posts of this by myself and others, but I'm pretty sure that the language has magically changed somewhat since the convention. It's possible that the Rules Committee changed it and we all stopped looking at them within the 30-day publication date.

Anyway, here's Rule 9:

__________

Filling Vacancies in Nominations
(a) The Republican National Committee is
hereby authorized and empowered to fill any and all
vacancies which may occur by reason of death,
declination, or otherwise of the Republican candidate
for President of the United States or the Republican
candidate for Vice President of the United States, as
nominated by the national convention, or the
Republican National Committee may reconvene the
national convention for the purpose of filling any such
vacancies.

(b) In voting under this rule, the Republican
National Committee members representing any state
shall be entitled to cast the same number of votes as
said state was entitled to cast at the national
convention.

(c) In the event that the members of the
Republican National Committee from any state shall
not be in agreement in the casting of votes hereunder,
the votes of such state shall be divided equally,
including fractional votes, among the members of the
Republican National Committee present or voting by
proxy.

(d) No candidate shall be chosen to fill any
such vacancy except upon receiving a majority of the
votes entitled to be cast in the election.

_____________

Obviously, the Party would choose not to hold another convention and instead vote by proxy, which is exactly what they have wanted to do all year. Also relevant is this part of Rule 8 (b):

_____________

if one of the purposes of a meeting of the
Republican National Committee is to fill a vacancy in
the office of Republican candidate for President of the
United States or Republican candidate for Vice
President of the United States, then only five (5) days’
notice of the purpose, date, and place of said meeting
shall be required.


It's at least theoretically possible for RNC members to force a meeting through the same subsection:

Upon written petition of sixteen (16)
or more members of the Republican National
Committee, representing no fewer than sixteen (16)
states, filed jointly or severally with the chairman,
requesting a meeting of the Republican National
Committee, it shall be the duty of the chairman, within
ten (10) days of receipt of said petition, to issue a call
for a meeting of the Republican National Committee,
to be held in a city to be designated by the chairman,
the date of such called meeting to be not later than
twenty (20) days or earlier than ten (10) days from the
date of the call.

_______________

And most importantly, we must always remember that Republicans are criminals at heart, and therefore the rules are made to facilitate their doing whatever they want to do at any given time. Once the Committee is convened, they can suspend the rules and do whatever they wish.

So for the TLDRs out there here's the wrapup:

* It's not too late to replace Trump and it won't be too late all the way up until about Halloween, at least.

* Mike Pence remains the Vice Presidential nominee and does not automatically become the Presidential nominee. In fact, elevating him complicates matters considerably, requiring two nomination processes.

* Angry RNC Members can, in theory, force a proxy meeting if they petition within the next couple of weeks, but we know they won't.

I think the most important thing to remember is that virtually all Republican politicians privately support and condone Donald Trump and his behavior. They are worried only about the appearance Trump is presenting, and left to their own devices they will allow the GOP to drift onto the rocks of total disaster. I don't think we have to worry about them changing Trump out against his will, and I don't think we have to worry about Trump quitting on us, either.
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