Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
24 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
What would happen if a nominee died after the ballot deadline? (Original Post) Shrek Oct 2016 OP
The actual election is carried out by the Electoral College flyingfysh Oct 2016 #1
So the dead candidate's electors would still vote? Shrek Oct 2016 #2
Dead candidate would be a place holder. LisaL Oct 2016 #3
I'm watching football right now Wednesdays Oct 2016 #7
I believe Horace Greeley died before the EC convened ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2016 #4
IIRC, Ms. Yertle Oct 2016 #5
They would be able to vote for anyone flyingfysh Oct 2016 #11
Technically even "pledged" electors could vote for anyone. NYC Liberal Oct 2016 #22
A dead candidate would have a better chance Island Blue Oct 2016 #6
I am thinking Reagan's 3rd term from the great beyond White House rbrnmw Oct 2016 #17
I'm sure they'll be more than a few Island Blue Oct 2016 #18
This is actually what that "Rule 9" they keep speaking about is intended to contingency. Grown2Hate Oct 2016 #8
I don't see how a RNC rule can be binding flyingfysh Oct 2016 #12
I thought the poster was talking about the mechanism for replacing a nominee that dies Grown2Hate Oct 2016 #15
Who was the candidate in (I think, MO) who lost to a dead person? spiderpig Oct 2016 #9
It happened in Minnesota a while ago MiniMe Oct 2016 #10
That was 2002 and the party asked ex-VP Walter Mondale to run book_worm Oct 2016 #13
You're thinking of John Ashcroft (GWB's Attorney General). See below: Grown2Hate Oct 2016 #16
That's the one I was thinking of. spiderpig Oct 2016 #23
Also Frank Lautenberg, 2002. sofa king Oct 2016 #20
Depends on the state democrattotheend Oct 2016 #14
That is extremely unfair. LisaL Oct 2016 #21
Each of the 50 states has its own set of procedures. pnwmom Oct 2016 #19
Provision is made in the Party Rules djg21 Oct 2016 #24

flyingfysh

(1,990 posts)
1. The actual election is carried out by the Electoral College
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 03:57 PM
Oct 2016

The result would be up to them. They could even choose to elect someone who was not a candidate.

Shrek

(3,980 posts)
2. So the dead candidate's electors would still vote?
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 04:01 PM
Oct 2016

That makes sense, given the way the EC works. Still seems weird to vote for someone who is deceased.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
4. I believe Horace Greeley died before the EC convened
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 04:09 PM
Oct 2016

Obviously he didn't win anyway but he still got those electors

Ms. Yertle

(466 posts)
5. IIRC,
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 04:31 PM
Oct 2016

the electors are not bound to the candidate. They can choose whomever they wish. If a candidate were deceased, they would likely choose someone living.

flyingfysh

(1,990 posts)
11. They would be able to vote for anyone
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 05:29 PM
Oct 2016

normally they are pledged to vote for a particular candidate, but if that candidate is no longer alive, they can vote for anyone.

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
22. Technically even "pledged" electors could vote for anyone.
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 08:31 PM
Oct 2016

Yes states have laws against faithless electors, but they have never been challenged in court. If they were, I think they would be struck down as unconstitutional. Since electors are the ones actually electing the president, I don't believe the constitution allows states to force them to vote for a particular candidate. It only allows states to decide how the electors are chosen.

My two cents.

rbrnmw

(7,160 posts)
17. I am thinking Reagan's 3rd term from the great beyond White House
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 05:47 PM
Oct 2016

repukes are crazy they would do it if they could

Grown2Hate

(2,012 posts)
8. This is actually what that "Rule 9" they keep speaking about is intended to contingency.
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 05:10 PM
Oct 2016

RULE NO. 9
Filling Vacancies in Nominations
(a) The Republican National Committee is
hereby authorized and empowered to fill any and all
vacancies which may occur by reason of death,
declination, or otherwise of the Republican candidate
for President of the United States or the Republican
candidate for Vice President of the United States, as
nominated by the national convention, or the
Republican National Committee may reconvene the
national convention for the purpose of filling any such
vacancies.
(b) In voting under this rule, the Republican
National Committee members representing any state
shall be entitled to cast the same number of votes as
said state was entitled to cast at the national
convention.
9 of 42
(c) In the event that the members of the
Republican National Committee from any state shall
not be in agreement in the casting of votes hereunder,
the votes of such state shall be divided equally,
including fractional votes, among the members of the
Republican National Committee present or voting by
proxy.
(d) No candidate shall be chosen to fill any
such vacancy except upon receiving a majority of the
votes entitled to be cast in the election.

flyingfysh

(1,990 posts)
12. I don't see how a RNC rule can be binding
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 05:32 PM
Oct 2016

The vote is for a slate of electors, not the Republican party. There is no scope for RNC rules in the Constitution.

Grown2Hate

(2,012 posts)
15. I thought the poster was talking about the mechanism for replacing a nominee that dies
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 05:42 PM
Oct 2016

before the election.

Either way, Rule 9 doesn't apply in this case. The RNC would have to find a way to remove Trump (or hope he quits), and then pick a new nominee at this point (no easy task), and then litigate, state by state, about how to get them on the ballot past the deadline.

It's a clusterfuck, Trump isn't going anywhere, and they're all fucked. I couldn't be happier today.

MiniMe

(21,716 posts)
10. It happened in Minnesota a while ago
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 05:25 PM
Oct 2016

Paul Wellstone, he is the reason Al Frankin ran. I think his small plane went down during the re-election campaign.

book_worm

(15,951 posts)
13. That was 2002 and the party asked ex-VP Walter Mondale to run
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 05:32 PM
Oct 2016

in his place. He had about a week before the election to campaign. I think Wellstone's name was still on the ballot but Mondale narrowly lost to Norm Coleman.

Grown2Hate

(2,012 posts)
16. You're thinking of John Ashcroft (GWB's Attorney General). See below:
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 05:44 PM
Oct 2016

Citizens of Missouri have elected a dead man to the Senate, choosing Governor Mel Carnahan - who was killed three weeks ago in a plane crash - over Republican incumbent John Ashcroft. Carnahan's widow had agreed to take her husband's place.Nov 7, 2000

spiderpig

(10,419 posts)
23. That's the one I was thinking of.
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 08:32 PM
Oct 2016

During his antics as AJ, many reminded us that "this was the candidate who lost to a dead guy".

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
20. Also Frank Lautenberg, 2002.
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 08:24 PM
Oct 2016

Replaced Torricelli after the ballot deadline. NJ Supreme Court ruled in his favor, US Supreme Court declined to hear the case. Lautenberg won, saving everything you have left today.

Almost all of the cases named in this sub-thread were contested--by Republicans--in the courts, and they lost. In doing so, I argue, they've paved the way to removing Trump and replacing him with someone else at the eleventh hour.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
14. Depends on the state
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 05:37 PM
Oct 2016

In some states they stay on the ballot, in others they are replaced.

In Minnesota in 2002 it was really unfair the way they handled it. Ballots that had already been cast for Wellstone did not count for Mondale, but ballots that had been cast for Coleman against Wellstone did count for him. And I don't think people who had voted for Wellstone were allowed to vote again.

Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»2016 Postmortem»What would happen if a no...