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Rob Portman dumps Trump, will vote for Pence (Original Post) highplainsdem Oct 2016 OP
How is he going to vote for Pence for president if Pence isn't running for president? LisaL Oct 2016 #1
Write in -- not likely to win, but doable. karynnj Oct 2016 #4
I don't see how it could possibly be doable. LisaL Oct 2016 #5
Doable as in write ins are allowed - successful - absolutely not karynnj Oct 2016 #7
Some ballots allow for a write in option. Drunken Irishman Oct 2016 #8
But if he votes in person there is no ballot. LisaL Oct 2016 #15
I know there is a write-in option. Drunken Irishman Oct 2016 #27
Correct! But write-ins are very limited in Ohio Maeve Oct 2016 #49
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2016 #47
We are talking about Portman who is in OH. LisaL Oct 2016 #53
I don't think Rob Portman knows the rules in Ohio. SamKnause Oct 2016 #13
Yes, the machines are electronic nowdays. LisaL Oct 2016 #14
Wow, I thought they were always legal karynnj Oct 2016 #22
Shhh, don't tell him... sarae Oct 2016 #41
Actually, there is a process Maeve Oct 2016 #45
Wanna bet Robbie writes himself in as Pence's veep? regnaD kciN Oct 2016 #28
What's with all the Republicans who now seem sarae Oct 2016 #42
Agree completely karynnj Oct 2016 #43
Agree with both of you, except that Pence will Hortensis Oct 2016 #48
Good point... sarae Oct 2016 #50
Yes! But it's up to conservatives. We can't do it for them. Hortensis Oct 2016 #51
coward nt joeybee12 Oct 2016 #2
I woudn't trust Rob Portman under any circumstances. TonyPDX Oct 2016 #3
Same damn ticket!!! Doreen Oct 2016 #6
He's claiming he'll write his name in. Drunken Irishman Oct 2016 #9
Pence won't get the vote. LisaL Oct 2016 #17
My guess is it depends on the state? Drunken Irishman Oct 2016 #23
Portman is in OH. LisaL Oct 2016 #32
Ayotte says she is writing in Pence. TheCowsCameHome Oct 2016 #10
Um, is he new to this or is he that stupid? grossproffit Oct 2016 #11
It's worded weirdly but he's going to write-in Pence's name. Drunken Irishman Oct 2016 #12
Write-in candidates must file a declaration 72 days before an election. LisaL Oct 2016 #16
Well either way, Trump won't get the vote. That's all that matters. Drunken Irishman Oct 2016 #24
This is a cover my butt thing yeoman6987 Oct 2016 #55
That's not what he is saying at all. Drunken Irishman Oct 2016 #56
You can't write in in Ohio unless he requested it 35 days ago yeoman6987 Oct 2016 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author Kathy M Oct 2016 #57
Sarah again I see. You call her by her first name Kingofalldems Oct 2016 #58
Write-ins are not permitted in the State of Ohio. SamKnause Oct 2016 #18
I think they are permitted but candidate has to declare 72 days before an election. LisaL Oct 2016 #19
That is not what I was told by the board of elections. SamKnause Oct 2016 #20
Not sure. Either way it doesn't seem possible for Portman to vote for Pence. LisaL Oct 2016 #21
Agree. SamKnause Oct 2016 #25
You click it, it brings up a keyboard, and you type in the name is my guess. Drunken Irishman Oct 2016 #26
Vote for Pence wouldn't count. LisaL Oct 2016 #29
It wouldn't count but it could be his protest vote I guess. Drunken Irishman Oct 2016 #30
Whatever floats his boat. LisaL Oct 2016 #33
Just as long as it doesn't go to Trump, I'm cool with it. Drunken Irishman Oct 2016 #34
Have you ever done that when voting ??? SamKnause Oct 2016 #31
I haven't and now we get our ballots in the mail. Drunken Irishman Oct 2016 #36
Okay, here's what the Franklin Co. Board of Elections training manual says: Maeve Oct 2016 #46
Right. And Pence didn't declare as a write in candidate, so vote for him won't count, and the write LisaL Oct 2016 #52
Total agreement! Maeve Oct 2016 #54
How would that work? Lebam in LA Oct 2016 #35
No. It would be a wasted vote. Drunken Irishman Oct 2016 #38
Thanks Lebam in LA Oct 2016 #44
They are stuck with Cheeto whether they like it or not. kimbutgar Oct 2016 #37
Isn't Portman the one who endorsed gay marriage because of his gay son. okwmember Oct 2016 #39
That would be a good question to ask him. LisaL Oct 2016 #40

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
5. I don't see how it could possibly be doable.
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 09:51 PM
Oct 2016

Especially considering Pence would appear in two places (as VP for Trump and as a write in for president). His votes would be split.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
7. Doable as in write ins are allowed - successful - absolutely not
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 09:57 PM
Oct 2016

I seriously doubt that they could get 100% of their voters to both vote for a write in AND vote for the same write in. I know many are saying "Pence", but no one other than Trump selected him.

I suspect that there will be hard core Trump people and people not paying attention, who will simply vote for Trump. This obviously splits the Republican vote. This is truly unprecedented.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
8. Some ballots allow for a write in option.
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 09:58 PM
Oct 2016

The way votes are tabulated is by the presidential candidate. If I write in Kaine on my ballot, it's not a vote for Hillary - it's a vote for Kaine. He would get the vote, not the Clinton-Kaine ticket.

If Portman does, in fact, vote for Pence, he'll be doing so by write-in and the vote will go to Mike Pence - not Trump/Pence.

Does that make sense?

There were 136,040 write-in candidates in 2012. I do not have the breakdown of names, though.

Regardless, Pence isn't winning this election by write-in alone.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
27. I know there is a write-in option.
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 10:29 PM
Oct 2016

When we voted electronically, our machines had it. I just never used it. My guess is that you click write-in and type the name of the candidate?

Maeve

(42,282 posts)
49. Correct! But write-ins are very limited in Ohio
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 08:09 AM
Oct 2016

You have to pre-register as a write-in and that deadline has passed. If there are no write-in candidates approved, no 'write-in' button appears on the touch screen.

I'm a paper ballot judge and I suspect my job just got a helluva lot harder! Paper ballot by choice is an option this election in Ohio.

Response to LisaL (Reply #15)

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
53. We are talking about Portman who is in OH.
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 08:46 AM
Oct 2016

Portman can't vote in other state, being in OH. He will vote in OH.

SamKnause

(13,108 posts)
13. I don't think Rob Portman knows the rules in Ohio.
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 10:11 PM
Oct 2016

I spoke with the Board of Elections and write-ins are not permitted.

It invalidates the entire ballot.

There is no way to write anything in at the place I vote in Ohio. (local volunteer fire department)

We have touch screens with a paper print out.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
22. Wow, I thought they were always legal
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 10:26 PM
Oct 2016

I guess this is another case where elections are state run and the rules differ. Thanks

sarae

(3,284 posts)
41. Shhh, don't tell him...
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 11:21 PM
Oct 2016
I have absolutely no problem (none!) with his entire ballot being invalidated.

Maeve

(42,282 posts)
45. Actually, there is a process
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 07:50 AM
Oct 2016

BUT the write-in candidate must file a declaration of intent AND no one already on the ballot can file a petition, so....yeah, it's a throw-away.

But please do, Mr Portman!

sarae

(3,284 posts)
42. What's with all the Republicans who now seem
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 11:29 PM
Oct 2016

convinced that Pence is the greatest candidate ever? He's a big phony who lies all the time and he has all the charm of a used car salesman. I don't get it.

I mean, I get that Repugs have bad judgment, but it's a little shocking how consistently awful their choices are. Did they learn nothing from the last shitshow of a year?!

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
43. Agree completely
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 06:40 AM
Oct 2016

I think it is because they think he is the legitimate alternative because he is the VP. However the VP was simply selected by Trump. Forgotten is the fact many did not want to run with Trump and Pence was facing a possible defeat in his reelection.

I think the Republicans may be doomed either way. Trump will lose or any alternative will lose just as badly as the hard core Trump fans may stick with him or not vote.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
48. Agree with both of you, except that Pence will
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 08:09 AM
Oct 2016

obviously come out way, way ahead of where he would have been had he lost the governorship.

If, IF, American conservatism rediscovers its soul and its morals, leading good leaders to step forward and today's bad leaders to be rejected, then association with this dark era could cause Pence to be rejected. As it is, though, instead of being politically dead in the water, he is now a nationally known potential 2020 candidate for president.

sarae

(3,284 posts)
50. Good point...
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 08:34 AM
Oct 2016

I really, really hope that in 2020 the country has distanced itself so thoroughly from this dark period that Pence's association with it will be disastrous for him.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
51. Yes! But it's up to conservatives. We can't do it for them.
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 08:37 AM
Oct 2016

In fact, one of the first and largest steps they would have to take is to admit that we're people like them who also want a healthy prosperous America, not Satan.

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
6. Same damn ticket!!!
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 09:54 PM
Oct 2016

Pence is on the SAME ticket there fore if you vote for him you are still voting for Trump. Is Rob Portman stupid?

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
9. He's claiming he'll write his name in.
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 10:00 PM
Oct 2016

Which he can do and Pence will get the vote. Well, write-in Pence will get the vote. The Trump-Pence ticket would not, in fact, get the vote as in presidential elections, you're only voting for the top of the ticket when you cast your vote.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
17. Pence won't get the vote.
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 10:21 PM
Oct 2016

Write in candidate must declare 72 days before an election and Pence didn't declare.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
12. It's worded weirdly but he's going to write-in Pence's name.
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 10:03 PM
Oct 2016

The vote will go to Pence alone - not the Trump/Pence ticket.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
16. Write-in candidates must file a declaration 72 days before an election.
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 10:20 PM
Oct 2016

"Write-in votes shall not be counted for any candidate who has not filed a declaration of intent to be a write-in candidate pursuant to this section. A qualified person who has filed a declaration of intent may receive write-in votes at either a primary or general election. Any candidate shall file a declaration of intent to be a write-in candidate before four p.m. of the seventy-second day preceding the election at which such candidacy is to be considered."

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/3513

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
55. This is a cover my butt thing
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 09:47 AM
Oct 2016

Conservatives say all the time they voted for Sarah and not McCain in 2008 because they weren't crazy about McCain. They still voted the ticket but say they voted for Sarah and not McCain. Portman will vote the ticket but in his weird mind is only voting for Penske. It's BS.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
56. That's not what he is saying at all.
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 11:29 AM
Oct 2016

He could be lying and ultimately votes Trump anyway, so, we'll never know. But he specifically means he will write Pence in as opposed to voting for the Trump/Pence ticket. That's completely different than voting for the ticket but saying you're only doing it to get Pence as VP.

If he does stick to his word, his vote won't go to Trump.

Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #55)

Kingofalldems

(38,458 posts)
58. Sarah again I see. You call her by her first name
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 11:51 AM
Oct 2016

but call the others by their last name. Don't get it.

It's Palin.

SamKnause

(13,108 posts)
18. Write-ins are not permitted in the State of Ohio.
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 10:21 PM
Oct 2016

I would think Rob Portman should know this.

It invalidates the entire ballot.

I called my Board of Elections for the answer to write-in questions.

My voting place, (local volunteer fire department) has touch

screens with a paper trail.

How could Rob Portman not know this information ???

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
19. I think they are permitted but candidate has to declare 72 days before an election.
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 10:23 PM
Oct 2016

Pence didn't do it, so he can't be a write -in candidate.
http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/3513

SamKnause

(13,108 posts)
20. That is not what I was told by the board of elections.
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 10:25 PM
Oct 2016

How do you utilize the write-in option on touch screens ???

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
21. Not sure. Either way it doesn't seem possible for Portman to vote for Pence.
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 10:26 PM
Oct 2016

Pence didn't declare himself as a write in candidate and now it's too late.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
29. Vote for Pence wouldn't count.
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 10:30 PM
Oct 2016

Time has passed to declare a write in candidacy. So Portman could vote for Pence or Bugs Bunny. It wouldn't count.

SamKnause

(13,108 posts)
31. Have you ever done that when voting ???
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 10:32 PM
Oct 2016

I don't know if our machines are set up the same way.

It has not come up so far.

Let me know if you confirm the keyboard theory.

Are you getting geared up for SNL ???

I am.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
36. I haven't and now we get our ballots in the mail.
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 10:39 PM
Oct 2016

And I'm watching college football...but I'll catch it in a couple hours when it airs in Salt Lake.

Maeve

(42,282 posts)
46. Okay, here's what the Franklin Co. Board of Elections training manual says:
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 08:00 AM
Oct 2016

"A list of eligible weite-in names of candidates and offices will be provided by the Boadrd of Elections. If your form contains no names, your location has no write-in candidates and therefore no 'Write-in' button will appear on the voting machine screen"


There will only be a 'write-in' button on the touch machine IF there are eligible write-in candidates for that precinct (for the state, in this case, since it is a presidental election). Then there will be a pop-up keyboard that will allow you to input the name of the candidate.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
52. Right. And Pence didn't declare as a write in candidate, so vote for him won't count, and the write
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 08:44 AM
Oct 2016

in button for him won't appear. So there is no way to mount a write in campaign for Pence at this point.

Maeve

(42,282 posts)
54. Total agreement!
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 08:55 AM
Oct 2016

And if he chooses paper ballot (by choice is an option this election), it still won't count, even if it makes him feel better.

Lebam in LA

(1,345 posts)
35. How would that work?
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 10:38 PM
Oct 2016

Pence isn't the candidate. Would a vote for Pence in reality be a vote for the republican ticket?

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
38. No. It would be a wasted vote.
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 10:46 PM
Oct 2016

Since apparently Ohio law requires you register as a write-in candidate before the election.

It would not count as a vote for Trump/Pence. The only votes that count for Trump are votes specifically for him - not his just for his running mate.

okwmember

(345 posts)
39. Isn't Portman the one who endorsed gay marriage because of his gay son.
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 11:00 PM
Oct 2016

How do you square that with support for Pence?

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