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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 01:17 PM Oct 2016

BOOM: Clinton Trounces Trump By 14 Points In New WSJ/NBC News Poll

The first poll taken since the release of a 2005 tape in which Donald Trump can be heard bragging about grabbing women’s genitals shows the Republican nominee taking a significant hit among voters nationally.

Hillary Clinton leads Trump by 14 points, 52-38, in a head-to-head matchup among likely voters, according to a NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll released Monday. The poll was conducted on Saturday and Sunday, after the 2005 tape of Trump's vulgar comments about women was released, but before the Sunday night debate.

When third party candidates are added to the question, Clinton leads Trump by 11 points, 46-35, with Libertarian Gary Johnson at 9 points and Green Party candidate Jill Stein at 2 points.

Clinton doubled her lead over Trump in a head-to-head matchup since last month's NBC/WSJ poll. In September, Clinton led Trump by seven points, 48-41, in a head-to-head matchup among likely voters. And when third party candidates were added to the question in the September NBC/WSJ poll, Clinton led Trump by six points, 43-37.

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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/polltracker/clinton-trounces-trump-post-video

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BOOM: Clinton Trounces Trump By 14 Points In New WSJ/NBC News Poll (Original Post) DonViejo Oct 2016 OP
can anybody explain why they do 2 way polls when there are four candidates ? it's 46-35 in Gabi Hayes Oct 2016 #1
Because Traditionally 3rd Party Candidate Support Nearly Evaporates on Election Day Stallion Oct 2016 #6
I mentioned that, but are polls snapshots or predictors? Gabi Hayes Oct 2016 #8
Both. Daemonaquila Oct 2016 #12
I get that, but I don't like the predictor aspect Gabi Hayes Oct 2016 #15
Not true this close to the election. Daemonaquila Oct 2016 #37
And so it begins Johnny2X2X Oct 2016 #2
Now let that @ss Joe Scarborough ask why her lead is not larger helpisontheway Oct 2016 #3
Even his patron saint Ronnie of Raygun didn't win by more than 10. Arkana Oct 2016 #24
Then came 1984 Grey Lemercier Oct 2016 #32
That's what happens when, in the midst of a right-wing assault on everything Democrats care about Ken Burch Oct 2016 #33
Gee whiz, Sarah Huckabee was just on MSNBC crowing how Cheeto Benito crushed Hillary. catbyte Oct 2016 #4
hillary made a spelling error when she did the basketful of deplorables. she meant: Gabi Hayes Oct 2016 #9
I'd have gone with "bucket", rather than basket. Ken Burch Oct 2016 #34
that russian guy agrees with you....the one who made up the bucket full of, what, can't remember.... Gabi Hayes Oct 2016 #36
More delusional that daddy rbrnmw Oct 2016 #10
dig your sigs! Gabi Hayes Oct 2016 #16
Did get out to vote phone banking Wellstone ruled Oct 2016 #5
Excellent Cosmocat Oct 2016 #7
And this is in Vegas, Wellstone ruled Oct 2016 #11
My friend Cosmocat Oct 2016 #14
Got at least one more Campaign in me. Wellstone ruled Oct 2016 #17
how many trump ads? Gabi Hayes Oct 2016 #18
We have Direct TV. Wellstone ruled Oct 2016 #20
is your mute button broke? I wore mine out Gabi Hayes Oct 2016 #21
Way to go. Wellstone ruled Oct 2016 #22
Isn't this the point at which even Trump once said he'd quit? Orsino Oct 2016 #13
hang on, Donald! at least til the next debate Gabi Hayes Oct 2016 #19
Boom goes the dynamite. Arkana Oct 2016 #23
K & R Scurrilous Oct 2016 #25
This is big! VMA131Marine Oct 2016 #26
Freeperville Johnny2X2X Oct 2016 #27
Yes! lonestarnot Oct 2016 #28
curious Coolest Ranger Oct 2016 #29
Finally above 50% mountain grammy Oct 2016 #30
I wonder where are those posters treestar Oct 2016 #31
Interesting polls kwolf68 Oct 2016 #35
 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
1. can anybody explain why they do 2 way polls when there are four candidates ? it's 46-35 in
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 01:21 PM
Oct 2016

a four way

what gives?

are those two just going to disappear?

I know their numbers will probably diminish, but I don't get it

thanks

Stallion

(6,474 posts)
6. Because Traditionally 3rd Party Candidate Support Nearly Evaporates on Election Day
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 01:41 PM
Oct 2016

so it gives an indication of the likely direction of movement as Election nears

 

Daemonaquila

(1,712 posts)
12. Both.
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 02:02 PM
Oct 2016

They know that some people will answer a poll inaccurately, such as saying they'll vote for a 3rd party candidate when they will actually do an R or D vote when election day comes. The 4-way poll is more of a snapshot of who people back right now, and the 2-way is closer to the predictor because so many people will bail on G and L in the last moment, and they want to know which way those voters will swing.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
15. I get that, but I don't like the predictor aspect
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 02:17 PM
Oct 2016

the polls are so volatile it's ludicrous to even attempt to project that far out

dumbo went from 8-10 points behind to even/ahead in less than two weeks because of media feeding on emails/cgi, while ignoring Everything drump has done

lord knows what's coming down the pike from a certain London balcony

 

Daemonaquila

(1,712 posts)
37. Not true this close to the election.
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 04:49 PM
Oct 2016

6 months ago, the polls were useless except as a guide to the campaigns as to where they needed to up their ground games. 1 month from the election? They're very relevant as predictors. Barring another extreme October surprise, they won't change much, and further polling will just show trends and how the swing states are looking. Historically, little changes this close in, and October Surprises are overrated.

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
2. And so it begins
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 01:22 PM
Oct 2016

This will be the average within 10 days, we'll see some +20s soon. the +15s or better will outnumber the + less than 10s.

helpisontheway

(5,008 posts)
3. Now let that @ss Joe Scarborough ask why her lead is not larger
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 01:25 PM
Oct 2016

after Trump's awful week. He will ignore it just as he ignored the Florida polls with her leads.

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
24. Even his patron saint Ronnie of Raygun didn't win by more than 10.
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 02:42 PM
Oct 2016

Reagan barely won a majority--if it hadn't been for Anderson that 1980 ballgame would have been a lot closer.

 

Grey Lemercier

(1,429 posts)
32. Then came 1984
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 04:27 PM
Oct 2016


Raygun 58.8% v Mondale 40.6%, and 49 out of 50 states (lost Minnesota by 3,761 votes).

6 years before I was born, so I cannot be blamed.
 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
33. That's what happens when, in the midst of a right-wing assault on everything Democrats care about
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 04:31 PM
Oct 2016

our nominee makes his BIG campaign pledge...tax cuts to balance the freaking budget.

We lost big time because, in making that pledge, Mondale essentially promised not to significantly differ from Reagan on any major issue.

It was never about "liberalism". It was about defeatism.

catbyte

(34,393 posts)
4. Gee whiz, Sarah Huckabee was just on MSNBC crowing how Cheeto Benito crushed Hillary.
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 01:26 PM
Oct 2016

She said that he was "so Presidential, so measured, so competent to be our leader." The host was a little stunned, as was I. She said that voters will all flock to Don the Con and that, on the strength of his epic performance, they will also increase their maorities in the Senate and House.

Dream on, little bagger. dream on...

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
9. hillary made a spelling error when she did the basketful of deplorables. she meant:
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 01:48 PM
Oct 2016

basketful of delusionals

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
34. I'd have gone with "bucket", rather than basket.
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 04:32 PM
Oct 2016

A lot of stinking slime oozes out of them thar deplorables.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
36. that russian guy agrees with you....the one who made up the bucket full of, what, can't remember....
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 04:37 PM
Oct 2016

I like the image you paint


sums em all up pretty well, yes?

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
5. Did get out to vote phone banking
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 01:31 PM
Oct 2016

yesterday evening before the debate. Found one undecided,and after a brief Clinton/Masteo sales pitch,bam,another undecided Dem back in the fold voting for a Dem full slate. Ever contact was enthusiastic about Hillary and were aware of Trump pulling the Billy Card and they were not please with someone going there.

Hundred contacts,99 all in with Hillary,only one fellow who said he had to vote for Stein. And that fellow was a Dem only via choice to vote for Bernie. Oh well,can't win them all,but what the heck,we try.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
11. And this is in Vegas,
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 01:53 PM
Oct 2016

Adelson and his crowd are dumping millions into the Heck and Hardy campaigns. Most of the Ads are totally false,following their buddy Con Job's disinformation campaign,and with the diminished educational level of the area,very interesting conversations abound. Fertile ground for the STUPID.

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
14. My friend
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 02:14 PM
Oct 2016

it may be a different and perhaps more colorful flavor of stupid, but sadly we have it here and I imagine every where else.

Regardless, thanks for rolling up your sleeves and getting out.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
17. Got at least one more Campaign in me.
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 02:20 PM
Oct 2016

and that will be the Reelection of Hillary. Then it is going to fall on you younger ones to carry on.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
18. how many trump ads?
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 02:20 PM
Oct 2016

I just saw one here in Illinois

less than one a day....but it's all cable

regular TV eats it bigly

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
20. We have Direct TV.
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 02:29 PM
Oct 2016

Ads are targeted by zip code. Dish used to do the same. And we are getting them in bunches,two to three minute runs. Watched the Vikes yesterday,just hammering us with Joe Heck and Hardy spots as well as anti prop 1 which is background checks.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
21. is your mute button broke? I wore mine out
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 02:33 PM
Oct 2016

PinP?

I have that on one tube but not the one I watch while I do this crap

btw, I'm in the NEA/IEA....did I tell you that before?

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
13. Isn't this the point at which even Trump once said he'd quit?
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 02:08 PM
Oct 2016

No chance to win, and looking foolish and reptilian every day?

I ask not just because I've predicted his exit for over a year, but because he just told us he's never quitting. The latter sure means he's on his way out.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
19. hang on, Donald! at least til the next debate
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 02:22 PM
Oct 2016

Van Jones said he's glad if Hillary "lost," because he wants trump IN it to "win" it for as long as possible

great strategy, IMO

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
23. Boom goes the dynamite.
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 02:40 PM
Oct 2016

This is Republican Armageddon if it holds, because dispirited voters won't just show up and ticket-split--they won't bother showing up at all, putting both houses of Congress in play.

VMA131Marine

(4,139 posts)
26. This is big!
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 02:56 PM
Oct 2016

If this lead holds on election day the only thing the Dems won't have is filibuster proof majority in the Senate.

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
27. Freeperville
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 02:59 PM
Oct 2016

Ventured over there. Complete denial as usual.

This NBC poll is fake! Um, it's a WSJ Poll, you know the Conservative rag owned by Murdock.

This was pre-debate, he'll be ahead soon because he won the debate. ROFLMAO!

treestar

(82,383 posts)
31. I wonder where are those posters
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 04:17 PM
Oct 2016

who so gleefully posted the bad looking polls a couple of weeks back and said we just didn't want to hear it!

kwolf68

(7,365 posts)
35. Interesting polls
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 04:37 PM
Oct 2016

it seems the third parties are doing MORE damage (though slight) to Clinton than to Trump. This is the same thing with the Perot vote in 1992, it was shown after analysis the Perot voters were NOT disgruntled conservatives.

Whatever, if the polls are even at +11% come Election Day it could be a massacre of epic proportions. That despite the witchhunts, the careless shit (though none illegal) Clinton did with her servers and the foundation. This despite Benghazi 24/7, etc....if ALL that couldn't get them into play against her then they have MAJOR issues in Republicanland....
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