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applegrove

(118,802 posts)
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 06:34 PM Oct 2016

Russian propaganda on WikiLeaks makes its way into a Donald Trump speech in record time

Russian propaganda on WikiLeaks makes its way into a Donald Trump speech in record time

by Amanda Marcotte at Salon

http://www.salon.com/2016/10/11/russian-propaganda-on-wikileaks-makes-its-way-into-a-donald-trump-speech-in-record-time/

"SNIP..............


Kurt Eichenwald, writing for Newsweek, explained what happened: One of the hacked emails that WikiLeaks dumped is from Clinton friend Sidney Blumenthal to her campaign chairman John Podesta, in which Blumenthal shares an article Eichenwald wrote about, an article that contains words certain to arouse the right-wing base: “Benghazi: The attack was almost certainly preventable.”

These words are Eichenwald’s. Blumenthal was just quoting the article in a larger email. More important, the words are from a larger piece that was about how awful Republicans are to continue lying about Clinton and humping the Benghazi non-scandal years after everything there possibly is to know about it has been put on the public record.

A Russian propaganda outlet called Sputnik — which is intended for an audience of alt-right types and that appears to be behind the conspiracy theory that Trump cited about Clinton’s “creating” ISIS — took these quotes out of context, claimed that Blumenthal wrote them and used it all to stoke hatred of Clinton from both the right and the misogynist left.

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But not before Trump got his hands on it and was reading it on Monday night before a swooning crowd of people who are terrifyingly easy to manipulate with Russian propaganda.


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Russian propaganda on WikiLeaks makes its way into a Donald Trump speech in record time (Original Post) applegrove Oct 2016 OP
"misogynist left"? Wilms Oct 2016 #1
I've seen them here, they all GTFO when support for our candidate became a requirement. bettyellen Oct 2016 #4
Saw them where? Wilms Oct 2016 #5
Are you kidding me? You didn't notice this place bled women members because of the way bettyellen Oct 2016 #7
I'm dead serious, Betty. Wilms Oct 2016 #9
I'm not throwing up anything. I've been an active member here for years and saw this and bettyellen Oct 2016 #11
You bashed DUers. Wilms Oct 2016 #15
I bashed Ex DUer misogynists. Past tense, smarty pants. bettyellen Oct 2016 #17
There are respected current DU members at JPR. Wilms Oct 2016 #19
All those who were pro-c*nt have left in a snit- but you missed all that, or claim to right? bettyellen Oct 2016 #20
And I'm not on FaceBook. So yeah, I miss a lot. Wilms Oct 2016 #21
Nice diversion w Facebook. You KNOW I said former members who left for the sewer.... bettyellen Oct 2016 #22
"former members". My apologies for the confusion. Wilms Oct 2016 #23
Not sure why you're bring women into the discussion? Did you think they're never bettyellen Oct 2016 #24
No doubt there are. Wilms Oct 2016 #25
Another bizarre assumption! Mental defect? Why do YOU say that? bettyellen Oct 2016 #26
I think you misunderstood. Wilms Oct 2016 #27
Political difference- WTF? You seem to be flailing around confused as to what misogyny is... bettyellen Oct 2016 #29
Oh, FFS. Squinch Oct 2016 #31
Go read the rest... It's hilarious! One misapprehension after another! bettyellen Oct 2016 #32
they tell him first annabanana Oct 2016 #2
Good! Damn Russian propaganda propagrated by trump.. Cha Oct 2016 #3
A hacked document is propaganda? Wilms Oct 2016 #6
A misattributed document. Yeah, it's propaganda muriel_volestrangler Oct 2016 #8
Did you read what you wrote? Wilms Oct 2016 #10
This is quite easy to follow. muriel_volestrangler Oct 2016 #16
I see you have a fan, lol. bettyellen Oct 2016 #12
Yeah.. Cha Oct 2016 #14
Totally forgot about it. bettyellen Oct 2016 #18
Next debate. In your face, explain this lie, Trump. nt oasis Oct 2016 #13
Yes. This must be dealt with. I would hope the the news media would correct this now before The Wielding Truth Oct 2016 #30
And these people gobble it up....it's so scary Cakes488 Oct 2016 #28
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
4. I've seen them here, they all GTFO when support for our candidate became a requirement.
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 07:13 PM
Oct 2016

Most seem to be Libertarians masquerading as liberals or Dems when it suits them to.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
5. Saw them where?
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 07:21 PM
Oct 2016

I saw a bunch of people supporting one candidate and warning that the other was a bad choice. But "misogynist left"?

Do you, as they say, have a link? Did they something like "women shouldn't be prez" or some such?

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
7. Are you kidding me? You didn't notice this place bled women members because of the way
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 07:37 PM
Oct 2016

Assholes here insulted and stalked feminists? Most of those people departed for JPR. They were vile. Many of them were forum perma-hosts and they ONLY spoke up to leave sexist and racist posts here. It was disgusting and the Manny cult went full tilt with that shit before their asses got kicked out.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
9. I'm dead serious, Betty.
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 08:20 PM
Oct 2016

Throw up a link. And demonstrate that the misogynists are members of the left.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
11. I'm not throwing up anything. I've been an active member here for years and saw this and
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 08:36 PM
Oct 2016

Participated in discussions about it for a couple of years here. It flew over your head- including many here defending a member for sexually Harrassing another member. Including people defending c@nt used to describe HRC. How luckyfor you.

I'm not throwing up links to get a hide- I was alert stalked for a couple of years by those assholes. I don't give a damn whether you believe me. Why should I?

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
17. I bashed Ex DUer misogynists. Past tense, smarty pants.
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 08:46 PM
Oct 2016

Sounds like you missed a whole lot.... Or ignored it.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
19. There are respected current DU members at JPR.
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 08:50 PM
Oct 2016

Some of them are women.

Either we cut the vitriol or we wind up like the republican party.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
20. All those who were pro-c*nt have left in a snit- but you missed all that, or claim to right?
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 08:58 PM
Oct 2016

You're saying current members, I said ex members. Funny you claim to not know the what if the situation- but suddenly know the who.

Bull shit.


We're not allowing the misogyny here any longer. Get over it.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
21. And I'm not on FaceBook. So yeah, I miss a lot.
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 09:02 PM
Oct 2016

As to your "know the who" comment, I do not follow that either. But again, there are current DUers who post at JPR and some are women. If there's a relationship between that and and some ruckus here, I am unaware.

Don't shoot.
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
22. Nice diversion w Facebook. You KNOW I said former members who left for the sewer....
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 09:06 PM
Oct 2016

But do keep playing your little games.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
23. "former members". My apologies for the confusion.
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 09:10 PM
Oct 2016

But to clear, there are people who currently do not seem to be posting here, but rather on JPR only, who also are women.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
24. Not sure why you're bring women into the discussion? Did you think they're never
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 09:14 PM
Oct 2016

misogynists for some reason? Of course they are! That's pretty much common knowledge. Maybe you need to find links- to studies on the issue.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
25. No doubt there are.
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 09:19 PM
Oct 2016

But it's fair to say some people have political differences, and that it may not be possible to attribute that to a mental defect.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
26. Another bizarre assumption! Mental defect? Why do YOU say that?
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 09:33 PM
Oct 2016

I'm going to suggest maybe you do some independent study as I cannot deal with this third bit of nonsense.
It appears that you'd love to - again- put words in my mouth that I didn't say. What's THAT about? It's not very honest of you.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
27. I think you misunderstood.
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 09:38 PM
Oct 2016

I would not attribute someone having a political difference with me to misogyny (mental, or a better term, emotional defect).

Plus, I'd bet those who are misogynists would never vote for any Democrat.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
29. Political difference- WTF? You seem to be flailing around confused as to what misogyny is...
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 09:46 PM
Oct 2016

But no. Being a woman or calling yourself a Dem doesn't actually exclude you from being a misogynist. They come in all shapes colors occupations unfortunately. They are not all Libertarians or GOP, and some Libertarians and GOP members are not misogynists.

So numerous are your misconceptions, you do need lots of independent study, and it's not my job to educate you.
Good luck with that!

muriel_volestrangler

(101,367 posts)
8. A misattributed document. Yeah, it's propaganda
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 07:37 PM
Oct 2016

It claimed Blumenthal, the Trump bogeyman of the moment, had said Hillary had things to answer for over Benghazi. But Blumenthal didn't say it, and the real author had not come to that conclusion anyway - it just took one section to try to make it look that way.

It's the kind of move you find trolls making on Discussionist, and you can feel good about smacking down. When it's done by state-run news, it's propaganda.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
10. Did you read what you wrote?
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 08:24 PM
Oct 2016

So if Trump misreads an email that was supposedly hacked by Russia, Trump's claim is Russian propaganda?

I'm not following the faulty logic.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,367 posts)
16. This is quite easy to follow.
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 08:45 PM
Oct 2016

Wikileaks released Podesta's hacked email, in full. One of those was an email from Blumenthal, which quoted, in full, the Newsweek article. Here it is:

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/2038

Are you with me so far?

Sputnik News, the Russian state news org, then took a couple of paragraphs from that, and claimed what was in the Newsweek article was actually Blumenthal's own words and opinions. You can still see the cached Sputnik News page here:

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:F6xU57lYXkAJ:https://sputniknews.com/world/201610101046200602-hillary-benghazi-wikileaks-podesta-emails/+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

No mention of Newsweek or Eichenwald at all. It's highly misleading. It's not just a reporting of the out-of-context words from Eichenwald's article, either - it ends:

Ultimately, it was the Clinton confidante's position that Hillary largely dodged a bullet due to the feckless and ineffective research by the House Special Committee on Benghazi to force the truth to light and to be diligent enough to examine the record that was provided by congressional researchers for their use.

No, this isn't about Trump 'misreading an email' that Russians hacked. It's about the Russian state taking stuff from Wikileaks and completely misrepresenting it as written by someone else, and pretending its overall message was completely different, and adding their own conclusion. And Trump then waved that around at his rally. That's why it's "Russian propaganda on WikiLeaks makes its way into a Donald Trump speech".

Do you follow now?

The Wielding Truth

(11,415 posts)
30. Yes. This must be dealt with. I would hope the the news media would correct this now before
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 09:55 PM
Oct 2016

the next debate and then Hillary can reinforce Trump's inability to get things right and how this is such a the huge lie.

This is further proof that he is unfit for public service.

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