2016 Postmortem
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Russian propaganda on WikiLeaks makes its way into a Donald Trump speech in record timeby Amanda Marcotte at Salon
http://www.salon.com/2016/10/11/russian-propaganda-on-wikileaks-makes-its-way-into-a-donald-trump-speech-in-record-time/
"SNIP..............
Kurt Eichenwald, writing for Newsweek, explained what happened: One of the hacked emails that WikiLeaks dumped is from Clinton friend Sidney Blumenthal to her campaign chairman John Podesta, in which Blumenthal shares an article Eichenwald wrote about, an article that contains words certain to arouse the right-wing base: Benghazi: The attack was almost certainly preventable.
These words are Eichenwalds. Blumenthal was just quoting the article in a larger email. More important, the words are from a larger piece that was about how awful Republicans are to continue lying about Clinton and humping the Benghazi non-scandal years after everything there possibly is to know about it has been put on the public record.
A Russian propaganda outlet called Sputnik which is intended for an audience of alt-right types and that appears to be behind the conspiracy theory that Trump cited about Clintons creating ISIS took these quotes out of context, claimed that Blumenthal wrote them and used it all to stoke hatred of Clinton from both the right and the misogynist left.
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But not before Trump got his hands on it and was reading it on Monday night before a swooning crowd of people who are terrifyingly easy to manipulate with Russian propaganda.
.................SNIP"
Wilms
(26,795 posts)First I'm hearing of this group.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Most seem to be Libertarians masquerading as liberals or Dems when it suits them to.
Wilms
(26,795 posts)I saw a bunch of people supporting one candidate and warning that the other was a bad choice. But "misogynist left"?
Do you, as they say, have a link? Did they something like "women shouldn't be prez" or some such?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Assholes here insulted and stalked feminists? Most of those people departed for JPR. They were vile. Many of them were forum perma-hosts and they ONLY spoke up to leave sexist and racist posts here. It was disgusting and the Manny cult went full tilt with that shit before their asses got kicked out.
Wilms
(26,795 posts)Throw up a link. And demonstrate that the misogynists are members of the left.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Participated in discussions about it for a couple of years here. It flew over your head- including many here defending a member for sexually Harrassing another member. Including people defending c@nt used to describe HRC. How luckyfor you.
I'm not throwing up links to get a hide- I was alert stalked for a couple of years by those assholes. I don't give a damn whether you believe me. Why should I?
Wilms
(26,795 posts)I asked for links.
And I got it that you don't give a damn.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Sounds like you missed a whole lot.... Or ignored it.
Wilms
(26,795 posts)Some of them are women.
Either we cut the vitriol or we wind up like the republican party.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)You're saying current members, I said ex members. Funny you claim to not know the what if the situation- but suddenly know the who.
Bull shit.
We're not allowing the misogyny here any longer. Get over it.
Wilms
(26,795 posts)As to your "know the who" comment, I do not follow that either. But again, there are current DUers who post at JPR and some are women. If there's a relationship between that and and some ruckus here, I am unaware.
Don't shoot.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)But do keep playing your little games.
Wilms
(26,795 posts)But to clear, there are people who currently do not seem to be posting here, but rather on JPR only, who also are women.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)misogynists for some reason? Of course they are! That's pretty much common knowledge. Maybe you need to find links- to studies on the issue.
Wilms
(26,795 posts)But it's fair to say some people have political differences, and that it may not be possible to attribute that to a mental defect.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)I'm going to suggest maybe you do some independent study as I cannot deal with this third bit of nonsense.
It appears that you'd love to - again- put words in my mouth that I didn't say. What's THAT about? It's not very honest of you.
Wilms
(26,795 posts)I would not attribute someone having a political difference with me to misogyny (mental, or a better term, emotional defect).
Plus, I'd bet those who are misogynists would never vote for any Democrat.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)But no. Being a woman or calling yourself a Dem doesn't actually exclude you from being a misogynist. They come in all shapes colors occupations unfortunately. They are not all Libertarians or GOP, and some Libertarians and GOP members are not misogynists.
So numerous are your misconceptions, you do need lots of independent study, and it's not my job to educate you.
Good luck with that!
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)annabanana
(52,791 posts)then release it
Cha
(297,697 posts)Thank you, applegrove!
Wilms
(26,795 posts)I need to go back to school, apparently.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,367 posts)It claimed Blumenthal, the Trump bogeyman of the moment, had said Hillary had things to answer for over Benghazi. But Blumenthal didn't say it, and the real author had not come to that conclusion anyway - it just took one section to try to make it look that way.
It's the kind of move you find trolls making on Discussionist, and you can feel good about smacking down. When it's done by state-run news, it's propaganda.
Wilms
(26,795 posts)So if Trump misreads an email that was supposedly hacked by Russia, Trump's claim is Russian propaganda?
I'm not following the faulty logic.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,367 posts)Wikileaks released Podesta's hacked email, in full. One of those was an email from Blumenthal, which quoted, in full, the Newsweek article. Here it is:
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/2038
Are you with me so far?
Sputnik News, the Russian state news org, then took a couple of paragraphs from that, and claimed what was in the Newsweek article was actually Blumenthal's own words and opinions. You can still see the cached Sputnik News page here:
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:F6xU57lYXkAJ:https://sputniknews.com/world/201610101046200602-hillary-benghazi-wikileaks-podesta-emails/+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk
No mention of Newsweek or Eichenwald at all. It's highly misleading. It's not just a reporting of the out-of-context words from Eichenwald's article, either - it ends:
No, this isn't about Trump 'misreading an email' that Russians hacked. It's about the Russian state taking stuff from Wikileaks and completely misrepresenting it as written by someone else, and pretending its overall message was completely different, and adding their own conclusion. And Trump then waved that around at his rally. That's why it's "Russian propaganda on WikiLeaks makes its way into a Donald Trump speech".
Do you follow now?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Glad Muriel did, though!
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)oasis
(49,410 posts)The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)the next debate and then Hillary can reinforce Trump's inability to get things right and how this is such a the huge lie.
This is further proof that he is unfit for public service.