"Pretend it's Obama"
??????
Is that legal?

I am recalling the story of the elderly man who
said something about a "burning bush" at his gym or club, and was hauled away by
the authorities shortly after the Shrub took root in the White House...
BHN

found it-
here:
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a0301humphreysburning#a0301humphreysburning
Richard Humphreys, a self-proclaimed prophet from Oregon who is described in media reports as “delusional,” is arrested in Watertown, South Dakota, for making a joke about a “burning bush.” Humphreys, who sometimes calls himself “Israel Humphreys,” gets into a barroom discussion with a truck driver; the bartender overhears the conversation and alerts the police, telling them that Humphreys discussed a “burning Bush” and the possibility of someone pouring flammable liquid on President Bush and lighting it. Bush is slated to visit Sioux Falls, South Dakota, the day after Humphreys’s barroom conversation. Humphreys is charged with threatening to kill or harm the president. During his trial, Humphreys will explain: “I said God might speak to the world through a ‘burning Bush.’ I had said that before and I thought it was funny. It was prophetizing.” The court will learn that Humphreys had made similar statements in Internet chat rooms, including the following: “If you hear that a man runs up and throws gasoline and a match to Bush you will know that God did speak through the burning Bush.” He has also sent similar statements to the Bush White House via fax machines, and during the Clinton administration expressed the desire that President Clinton and his wife Hillary Clinton would commit suicide. Humphreys will be convicted and sentenced to 37 months in prison. He will appeal his conviction, saying his comment is a prophecy protected under his right to free speech. His appeal is denied, but the appellate court will find that he suffers from a bipolar disorder and order that he serve his sentence in a federal medical center. “Hopefully, medication over a significant period of years will result in his being able to live outside the prison confines, free of delusions and the type of behavior he exhibited here,” the court will rule. [ASSOCIATED PRESS, 12/6/2002; ASSOCIATED PRESS, 12/23/2003]
Entity Tags: Richard Humphreys, George W. Bush
Timeline Tags: US Domestic Terrorism

I have no personal tendency to be "pro" or "anti" gun.

I can see CLEARLY the political indications of it living in Pa.

The Ds have VERY wisely, one of the FEW things they seem to have done on a united front, not stepped into the gun bear trap for almost two decades now.

I know a LOT of good democrat, union types who are also hunters and are very serious about gun laws.

The Ds open this can of worms, it won't hurt Ds in more urban areas much, but it will REALLY hit the Ds rural areas. There are good D elected officials in rural areas who would not directly support any kind of gun control legislation, and take a beating and probably lose their seats if this gets opened back up.

...we are truly fucked.

and they will win a few seats in big urban areas, but pretty much nowhere else. It is a choice. One could have a very small anti-gun party and feel good about that. Alternately one could attempt to win the Whitehouse and Congress to do a vast array of other things.

It is a choice.

Yes, we are TFed, what about GWBush* even coming close to winning in either election did not tell you that? The question is not whether or not we are TFed, but what are we going to do now that we understand it.

...to let the fucked up gun nuts take over this county - people like Zimmerman and the many others like him who are packing everywhere they go. What a ridiculous society!

would not do either. Passed on a job because it required carry. Our fascination with firearms is insane.

But this is only one small way in which we are TFed. There are many, many more.

...truly fucked. After being an activist for decades I can hardly stand politics anymore; it's all so corrupt.

So many things need immediate attention but it ain't happening.

It is a bit more dysfunctional than usual, not as bad as the McCarthy hearings, but pretty bad. As far as I have read, it has never been a bed of roses.

and the media is do cowtowed by them ...

And, our people are so susceptible to BS ...

I live in a marginally rural area. We have some Ds at the state level, and they either flatly say they support "gun rights" or don't get within a mile of anything in relation to guns. I can say for sure, if they were boxed in by it, they would get run out.

We have the occasional gun violence here, but it comes off differently in a setting where hunting and fishing and sportsmanship is a big part of the culture. I do get that folks in more urban areas are more effected personally by it, with no culture relative to the ownership and use of firearms beyond criminal activity.

You would see A LOT of good Ds lose seats if the party put gun control back up on the platform.

Hard to do all the other important things if you lose those folks.

...among others. If Republithugs say boo, Dems cave.

This country is being destroyed by hate radio, Faux News, a cowardly and corrupt GOP, an over-reaching and fearmongering NRA, and a lot of ignorant voters. If Dems can't stand up to it they should quit their jobs and go home.

That would take less political courage. Blank. Would lives be saves by detoxing a root cause of inner city violence? You bet. How much over reach does Law Enforcement have courtesy of criminalizing drugs? Beyond measure.

So you tell me. Why not take on drugs first?

Drug policies in this country are as insane as gun policies - and this administration hasn't helped.

Whatever happened to that huge prison study Obama ordered when he first came into office?

....and disgusting.....can wait to see how the gun enthusiasts will provide cover for Sanatorum.

...so we have to re-think self-defense laws and gun laws.

Seriously, it is time that we Democrat Gun Owners and supporters of the Constitution move to create these Caucuses throughout our nation.

32% of voters will not vote for a candidate which is percieved to disagree with them on Guns. Labor, Veterans, and regular gun owners who agree on all the issues of the Democratic Party will not vote for an anti-gun candidate. We are hurting in the majority sense across this nation, with attacks on unions, health care, womens rights, lgbt, jobs, and an evil empire has infiltrated the GOP called ALEC.

The NRA once represented safety an marksmanship. Now they push for extreme issues through ALEC. Their main accusation is the President Obama will eliminate the 2nd Amendment through appointing 2 Supreme Court Justices or through a UN/NATO treaty. They make claims without support and speculation. They spread fear in hopes the Gun owners groups will vote against Obama and more for corporate greed.

We must stand up for our rights. We must push for sensible legislation and not bans or confiscation ideology. The 2nd Amendment must remain intact for the future of our descendants. With extremist hate groups who have formed militias and have sworn to kill groups within the Democratic party, we must equip ourselves should they follow through.

Creating caucuses will limit the effectiveness of the accusations of the NRA. It should open doors for increased funding for candidates and put the Democrat who owns guns in the debate with the TEA Party which wants no regulation.

In 1986, the sporting clause was introduced. In 1934, sawed off shotguns were to be banned because they posed no military qualities. In 1968, the Gun Control Act was created. 3 major infringements on law abiding owners out of fear based tactics and politicians looking for the easy way out.

This is not an easy issue. But we Democrats must push for training, safety, and marksmanship legislation without infringing on rights.

On April 21, the State Committee of the Arizona Democratic Party will determine the creation of a Gun Owners Caucus of the Arizona Democratic Party. A facebook page has been created and we will be updating as information becomes available on the topic at https://www.facebook.com/GunOwnersCaucusOfTheArizonaDemocraticPartyproposed As I said it is in the process of creation.

Oregon, Texas, and Nevada have all formed Gun owners or 2nd Amendment caucuses of their state Democratic Party. We all must do the same and fight against the tyranny of corporate abuse of ALEC. I look forward to comments and visitors to the facebook page.

...maybe those liberals have a point about gun control - that sensible gun control saves lives and reduces crime?