2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWP: I read Hillary Clinton’s speeches to Goldman Sachs. Here’s what surprised me the most.
When there really is no 'there' there. Everything I have seen in the 'leaked Hillary emails' has shown a thoughtful pragmatic person who listens to others, seems to have all facts at hand, carefully weighs options, then makes a decision. Hmmm....I think that's the kind of person I want for my President, rather than a thin-skinned one who makes up facts to fit his pre-determined view of reality. The Washington Post says kinda the same thing. The article is somewhat long, but well worth the read for a thoughtful and nuanced commentary.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/10/17/i-read-hillary-clintons-speeches-to-goldman-sachs-heres-what-surprised-me-the-most/?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-f%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.6d96161fec51
As WikiLeaks continues to dump John Podestas emails onto the world, theres a cornucopia of information to digest. I decided to start by focusing on a key source of tension between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders during the Democratic primary: the transcripts of Clintons paid speeches at Goldman Sachs. These were supposed to contain information damaging to Clintons campaign.
After reading all three speeches I dont understand why Clinton didnt make them public back in the spring.
Okay, I understand a little. Clintons Goldman Sachs transcripts are not speeches per se but rather structured conversations between Clinton and a Goldman Sachs interlocutor, as well as a Q&A with the audience. Clinton references the same Winston Churchill joke a bit much. She praises Chinese President Xi Jinping on occasion, mostly for his political skills and his apparent ability to rein in the Peoples Liberation Army. Mostly, however, what comes through is Clintons comfort talking about the subtleties of international relations. The contrast with the current GOP nominee is rather striking.
Mika
(17,751 posts)Business opportunities makes America what it is.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Controlling others campaigns. Clinton does it like a champ. Few if any Clinton supporters cared. She has been vetted like no other. Those of us who have been interested in politics for a long time know exactly who Clinton is. By not releasing them, the story became about someone else not releasing something of theirs. It was a game in which she knew she wouldn't lose a single supporter.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)never worried about anything that would be released like the transcripts.
Now when they are released more people will join us in knowing Hillary has nothing to hide.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)She has made is clear that the problem arose from flaws on every side of the equation. And she is smart enough to know that a healthy economy is critical to the country in so very many ways. So there would be no demonizing the industry, just identifying the areas that needed to change, and finding methods to incorporate those changes.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)it was always a silly line of attack, IMO
brush
(53,778 posts)csziggy
(34,136 posts)As saying that the speeches were not hers to release. It could be that there are clauses in her contracts to give the speeches that the contents belong to the entities that hired her to give the speeches.
So it could be a similar case as the companies that own the Apprentice tapes of Trump saying unsavory things - that a clause in a contract could prevent the release. I suspect in Trump's case that he is the one who required the clause. After all the word is that Trump requires non-disclosure agreements of all his employees.
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)agreements. I've read that he also made all campaign volunteers sign them. That is scary. I read the reason Alicia Machado, the former Miss Universe Trump had a public tiff with, was exempt because she entered the pageant before Trump bought it, so she didn't sign a non-disclose/disparage. Trump bought it shortly thereafter so she was one of the few who actually worked with him and was free to talk about it.
If you notice the claims made by newer pageant contestants are not opinion but facts. "Trump walked in on us while we were dressing". For Trump to claim disparagement he would have to agree that his behavior was inappropriate to begin with. Can't take someone to court for answering truthfully yes or no to a question about behavior that isn't wrong to Trump in the first place.
renegade000
(2,301 posts)over the stupid transcripts, when anyone who didn't have their ideological blinders on could have inferred
they were just anodyne, standard corporate speaking material. for heaven's sake, there were youtube videos of clinton giving
similar speeches on wall street...
Hekate
(90,692 posts)Snake Plissken
(4,103 posts)Hillary has her ѕhit together beyond a shadow of a doubt
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)leaves the WH she will be in more demand. I was just thinking the Republicans brag about having Bill disbarred, well, he does better on the speech stump.