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William769

(55,147 posts)
Tue Oct 18, 2016, 08:21 PM Oct 2016

What the hell is going on?

First we have the fire bombing in North Carolina I just heard on AC360 That a Democratic contractor has been instigating the violence at trump rallies and on our local news they are reporting that in our area trump/pence signs are being molested with swastikas.

Is this what this election has turned into?

I'm all for winning but not at the loss of my moral character.

I should note that the story on AC360 just broke and there has not been time to digest all the tapes.

P.S. I also don't see this being reported anywhere on DU that I could find.

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What the hell is going on? (Original Post) William769 Oct 2016 OP
I think that blue cat Oct 2016 #1
$100 bucks says right-wing O'Keefe edited the video Hortensis Oct 2016 #38
I would sincerely suspect that the tRump Campaign defaced its own signs BigDemVoter Oct 2016 #2
I agree with you. William769 Oct 2016 #7
The "Dem Contractor" is a Criminal and Liar James O'Keefe video. NOTHING to do with the DNC! RBInMaine Oct 2016 #3
I understand he was fired but he was hired by a man who happens to be married to William769 Oct 2016 #5
I agree. The optics are horrible but this is the first I heard about it. Will have riversedge Oct 2016 #8
me too. William769 Oct 2016 #9
Chill down. If they guy did something STUPID he did it rogue and on his own. Nothing to do with the RBInMaine Oct 2016 #18
James O'Keefe Dawson Leery Oct 2016 #4
James O'keefe Jason1961 Oct 2016 #6
Why would AC360 have anything to do with O'Keefe? LisaM Oct 2016 #10
AC360 is resporting the story & showing the tapes. William769 Oct 2016 #12
If he is a democrat, as it seems, this certainly does not help the democratic cause in the RKP5637 Oct 2016 #11
Agreed. William769 Oct 2016 #13
... RKP5637 Oct 2016 #15
People need to not get silly over this. One stupid guy NOTHING to do with Hillary and if he did RBInMaine Oct 2016 #19
So let it SINK with Trump too!!! Yea!!! n/t RKP5637 Oct 2016 #22
you know that the Dem HQ in Orange county was vandalized also rurallib Oct 2016 #14
Yes I saw that. Thanks. William769 Oct 2016 #16
If they had a legitimate source they might have something bluestateguy Oct 2016 #17
Apparently they did fire the guy, but also said they had NOTHING to do with ANY dumb shit he might RBInMaine Oct 2016 #20
Are you accusing us of something? LisaL Oct 2016 #21
What an odd reply uppityperson Oct 2016 #26
You need to stopping having a cow and repeating right wing talking points. Listen up: RBInMaine Oct 2016 #23
Please take your hostility elsewhere. nt William769 Oct 2016 #24
I do hope you were being sarcastic... chillfactor Oct 2016 #27
O'keefe semby2 Oct 2016 #33
Wheres my "endless promotion of O'Keefe videos". William769 Oct 2016 #34
Post removed Post removed Oct 2016 #35
O'Keefe was saying... MagnifiqueLangue Oct 2016 #25
Interesting 1st post SweetieD Oct 2016 #32
I'm betting the bank this is just more soon to be discredited James O'Keefe BS. herding cats Oct 2016 #28
Thanks for the pep talk. William769 Oct 2016 #29
I had a similar reaction when I first saw it, so don't beat yourself up. herding cats Oct 2016 #30
I love posts like yours! We need to be supportive of people when they have questions. Divine Discontent Oct 2016 #36
What is even more amazing is that Rex Oct 2016 #31
Cam anyone say "Reichstag fire"? baldguy Oct 2016 #37

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
38. $100 bucks says right-wing O'Keefe edited the video
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 07:52 AM
Oct 2016

footage to "create false accusations" about this group.

O'Keefe has worked with Brietbart before and has a history of doing just this. It's enormously easier to spread lies than it is to even partly undo them, and the election is right around the corner.

He's the one, btw, who produced the falsely edited video of Acorn that destroyed their work for low-income families. That it was falsified was proven in court.

Btw, from Wikipedia,

"O'Keefe has described his politics as "progressive radical," although media coverage and his own activities consistently paint him as a conservative. He refers to himself as a muckraker."

Sounds like the people who've found a home at that little hate site that spun off from DU. Who knows, maybe O'Keefe or one of his Veritas Action muckrakers drops in there to keep it roiled up.

BigDemVoter

(4,150 posts)
2. I would sincerely suspect that the tRump Campaign defaced its own signs
Tue Oct 18, 2016, 08:25 PM
Oct 2016

and blamed it on Democrats. I don't believe ANYTHING they say. They claim Obama is a foreign-born Muslim--not that I find any harm in that. . .. BUT. . . It is NOT true. They believe a lot other crazy things. I don't put anything past them.

William769

(55,147 posts)
7. I agree with you.
Tue Oct 18, 2016, 08:31 PM
Oct 2016

But watching that tape and hearing CNN say he was a sub-contractor for the DNC Put a big knot in my stomach.

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
3. The "Dem Contractor" is a Criminal and Liar James O'Keefe video. NOTHING to do with the DNC!
Tue Oct 18, 2016, 08:25 PM
Oct 2016

He may have been a contractor, but the DNC has apparently fired him and came out strong saying they had NOTHING to do with ANYTHING that may not have been above board. So this is James O'Keefe shit.

William769

(55,147 posts)
5. I understand he was fired but he was hired by a man who happens to be married to
Tue Oct 18, 2016, 08:28 PM
Oct 2016

a U.S. Congress woman and the company he runs works for the DNC.

I get all this. Why was this asshole hired to begin with. We are 3 weeks out to election day and yes I will call this a major cluster fuck for our side.

riversedge

(70,223 posts)
8. I agree. The optics are horrible but this is the first I heard about it. Will have
Tue Oct 18, 2016, 08:34 PM
Oct 2016

to see what is happening.

god--I hope it is not a Democrat involved.

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
18. Chill down. If they guy did something STUPID he did it rogue and on his own. Nothing to do with the
Tue Oct 18, 2016, 09:10 PM
Oct 2016

DNC. Sure, maybe he shouldn't have been hired to begin with, but maybe he checked out ok and they couldn't have known he was going to do some stupid shit.

ANY business or organization is going to occasionally hire someone who does something stupid on his own. You can't always blame the business or organization.

LisaM

(27,811 posts)
10. Why would AC360 have anything to do with O'Keefe?
Tue Oct 18, 2016, 08:37 PM
Oct 2016

He is just a slimeball and he has zero credibility.

RKP5637

(67,108 posts)
11. If he is a democrat, as it seems, this certainly does not help the democratic cause in the
Tue Oct 18, 2016, 08:37 PM
Oct 2016

least. It's the height of immaturity and detracts from what Hillary is working for. It's a total WTF!

William769

(55,147 posts)
13. Agreed.
Tue Oct 18, 2016, 08:39 PM
Oct 2016

Hopefully it will show that Democrats had nothing to do with this and the truth will come out.

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
19. People need to not get silly over this. One stupid guy NOTHING to do with Hillary and if he did
Tue Oct 18, 2016, 09:13 PM
Oct 2016

dumb things he did it totally on his own. The DNC has already issued a clear and strong statement disavowing anything to do with any dumb shit he may have done. So let it SINK.

William769

(55,147 posts)
16. Yes I saw that. Thanks.
Tue Oct 18, 2016, 08:48 PM
Oct 2016

I also saw where Democrats raised money to help them get their office open again which was awesome to see.



bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
17. If they had a legitimate source they might have something
Tue Oct 18, 2016, 09:09 PM
Oct 2016

but O'Keefe is a proven liar who selectively edits his videos to push agendas. He is not taken seriously by the media and I just ran through all of Fox News's page and saw nothing on it. He has burned the media before with his fake bullshit.

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
20. Apparently they did fire the guy, but also said they had NOTHING to do with ANY dumb shit he might
Tue Oct 18, 2016, 09:14 PM
Oct 2016

have done. DNC also slammed O'Keefe who doctors things.

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
23. You need to stopping having a cow and repeating right wing talking points. Listen up:
Tue Oct 18, 2016, 09:44 PM
Oct 2016

1) The Dem contractor DID NOT incite ANYTHING. There is no evidence at all that anything was ever DONE.

2) Next, the stupid scheme-type statements were mainly said by a SUB-CONTRACTOR of the Contractor. That guy was fired, and the contractor, Creamer, has resigned.

3) The DNC has firmly stated they had nothing to do with it and never would have anything to do with it and there is no evidence it was actually done. They and the Clinton campaign have strongly disavowed this, and the DNC acted immediately.

4) The contractor has said none of the dumb discussion was ever acted upon.

5) Also, remember this comes out of O'Keefe who doctors things up to make it look worse than it is.

So please, get some full facts. There is nothing here but a stupid discussion. Unlike Trump where 10 women have come forward to say what he bragged about he actually DID.

On the other things, we don't know who has done what. It could be Trumpers staging this shit. Or, Trump has been so rotten some rogue people have done some very dumb things to retaliate. It has NOTHING to do with the DNC, the Clinton campaign, or ANY of the millions of real Dems or Progressives who do not act like that.

For Christ sake, you can't control every dumb rogue asshole out there. Just look at the Trump campaign trying to control ROGUE DONALD.

chillfactor

(7,576 posts)
27. I do hope you were being sarcastic...
Tue Oct 18, 2016, 11:36 PM
Oct 2016

with your remark....I saw nothing wrong with the post above you.

 

semby2

(246 posts)
33. O'keefe
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 01:46 AM
Oct 2016

Please take your endless promotion of O'Keefe videos elsewhere. There's nothing here.

And note the full unedited video is not being released.

Response to RBInMaine (Reply #23)

25. O'Keefe was saying...
Tue Oct 18, 2016, 11:31 PM
Oct 2016

That he's releasing 1 video per day for the rest of the week. I hope firing the two gentlemen who this jerk "exposed" wasn't an overreaction. If it was an overreaction and he's edited the next videos to make other people look as bad or worse, then the DNC might overreact again and fire more people.

This truly is sad. The men that have been fired devoted their lives to helping us. Decades of service. Now their names are forever tarnished and they'll have a tough time looking for work. This better not happen to any more of our troops. I don't like the way things are headed.

SweetieD

(1,660 posts)
32. Interesting 1st post
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 01:14 AM
Oct 2016

needs more cowbell

In all seriousness, the people in these videos are more than likely already lawyered up. If O'keefe is lucky he will just face civil lawsuits he can pay out with a public apology, if not lucky and he violated some law he might face felony/misdemeanor charges like he has in the past.

herding cats

(19,564 posts)
28. I'm betting the bank this is just more soon to be discredited James O'Keefe BS.
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 12:06 AM
Oct 2016

He's already been proven, more than once, to be a lying sack of feces. That he's getting any airtime is pretty disgusting, really.

It's going to be fine! Relax, and don't worry about a lying POS like James O'Keefe.

Oh, and Twitter AC360 that he's digging in a dung heap.

herding cats

(19,564 posts)
30. I had a similar reaction when I first saw it, so don't beat yourself up.
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 12:24 AM
Oct 2016

Then I saw who it was, and the "previously discredited" tacked on after his name on CNN. Then I realized this was the worst they could come up with. Which is really pretty great news for us!

She's got this, it's going to be fine.

Divine Discontent

(21,056 posts)
36. I love posts like yours! We need to be supportive of people when they have questions.
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 04:33 AM
Oct 2016

We need to heal any misunderstandings, and work on helping people figure things out. I see nothing wrong with asking questions. And as long as people are being mature in replying to people's concerns and worries, and the person asking takes the info positively, we should be able to ask anything.

Your post is golden, imho.

Keep up the good work!

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
31. What is even more amazing is that
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 12:25 AM
Oct 2016

NC GOP’s state spokesperson admitted on NBC that the Orange County party office actually held completed absentee ballots. If that’s true, then the NC GOP just admitted to a serious election felony.

Seems someone had something to hide, I hope they investigate the hell out of this.

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