2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhat the hell is going on?
First we have the fire bombing in North Carolina I just heard on AC360 That a Democratic contractor has been instigating the violence at trump rallies and on our local news they are reporting that in our area trump/pence signs are being molested with swastikas.
Is this what this election has turned into?
I'm all for winning but not at the loss of my moral character.
I should note that the story on AC360 just broke and there has not been time to digest all the tapes.
P.S. I also don't see this being reported anywhere on DU that I could find.
blue cat
(2,415 posts)It is trump supporters. That is what is going on. They are deplorable sore losers.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)footage to "create false accusations" about this group.
O'Keefe has worked with Brietbart before and has a history of doing just this. It's enormously easier to spread lies than it is to even partly undo them, and the election is right around the corner.
He's the one, btw, who produced the falsely edited video of Acorn that destroyed their work for low-income families. That it was falsified was proven in court.
Btw, from Wikipedia,
Sounds like the people who've found a home at that little hate site that spun off from DU. Who knows, maybe O'Keefe or one of his Veritas Action muckrakers drops in there to keep it roiled up.
BigDemVoter
(4,150 posts)and blamed it on Democrats. I don't believe ANYTHING they say. They claim Obama is a foreign-born Muslim--not that I find any harm in that. . .. BUT. . . It is NOT true. They believe a lot other crazy things. I don't put anything past them.
William769
(55,147 posts)But watching that tape and hearing CNN say he was a sub-contractor for the DNC Put a big knot in my stomach.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)He may have been a contractor, but the DNC has apparently fired him and came out strong saying they had NOTHING to do with ANYTHING that may not have been above board. So this is James O'Keefe shit.
William769
(55,147 posts)a U.S. Congress woman and the company he runs works for the DNC.
I get all this. Why was this asshole hired to begin with. We are 3 weeks out to election day and yes I will call this a major cluster fuck for our side.
riversedge
(70,223 posts)to see what is happening.
god--I hope it is not a Democrat involved.
William769
(55,147 posts)I want to bury trump this election, but I want to do it fairly.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)DNC. Sure, maybe he shouldn't have been hired to begin with, but maybe he checked out ok and they couldn't have known he was going to do some stupid shit.
ANY business or organization is going to occasionally hire someone who does something stupid on his own. You can't always blame the business or organization.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Jason1961
(413 posts)I refuse to watch ANYTHING that jerk puts out.
LisaM
(27,811 posts)He is just a slimeball and he has zero credibility.
William769
(55,147 posts)RKP5637
(67,108 posts)least. It's the height of immaturity and detracts from what Hillary is working for. It's a total WTF!
William769
(55,147 posts)Hopefully it will show that Democrats had nothing to do with this and the truth will come out.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)dumb things he did it totally on his own. The DNC has already issued a clear and strong statement disavowing anything to do with any dumb shit he may have done. So let it SINK.
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)rurallib
(62,416 posts)for some reason M$M not reporting this
https://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/nc-democratic-headquarters-attacked-on-same-night-nearby-gop-office-was-firebombed/
William769
(55,147 posts)I also saw where Democrats raised money to help them get their office open again which was awesome to see.
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)but O'Keefe is a proven liar who selectively edits his videos to push agendas. He is not taken seriously by the media and I just ran through all of Fox News's page and saw nothing on it. He has burned the media before with his fake bullshit.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)have done. DNC also slammed O'Keefe who doctors things.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)Like, do you think any of us had anything to do with this?
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)1) The Dem contractor DID NOT incite ANYTHING. There is no evidence at all that anything was ever DONE.
2) Next, the stupid scheme-type statements were mainly said by a SUB-CONTRACTOR of the Contractor. That guy was fired, and the contractor, Creamer, has resigned.
3) The DNC has firmly stated they had nothing to do with it and never would have anything to do with it and there is no evidence it was actually done. They and the Clinton campaign have strongly disavowed this, and the DNC acted immediately.
4) The contractor has said none of the dumb discussion was ever acted upon.
5) Also, remember this comes out of O'Keefe who doctors things up to make it look worse than it is.
So please, get some full facts. There is nothing here but a stupid discussion. Unlike Trump where 10 women have come forward to say what he bragged about he actually DID.
On the other things, we don't know who has done what. It could be Trumpers staging this shit. Or, Trump has been so rotten some rogue people have done some very dumb things to retaliate. It has NOTHING to do with the DNC, the Clinton campaign, or ANY of the millions of real Dems or Progressives who do not act like that.
For Christ sake, you can't control every dumb rogue asshole out there. Just look at the Trump campaign trying to control ROGUE DONALD.
William769
(55,147 posts)chillfactor
(7,576 posts)with your remark....I saw nothing wrong with the post above you.
Please take your endless promotion of O'Keefe videos elsewhere. There's nothing here.
And note the full unedited video is not being released.
William769
(55,147 posts)We'll be waiting.
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MagnifiqueLangue
(1 post)That he's releasing 1 video per day for the rest of the week. I hope firing the two gentlemen who this jerk "exposed" wasn't an overreaction. If it was an overreaction and he's edited the next videos to make other people look as bad or worse, then the DNC might overreact again and fire more people.
This truly is sad. The men that have been fired devoted their lives to helping us. Decades of service. Now their names are forever tarnished and they'll have a tough time looking for work. This better not happen to any more of our troops. I don't like the way things are headed.
SweetieD
(1,660 posts)needs more cowbell
In all seriousness, the people in these videos are more than likely already lawyered up. If O'keefe is lucky he will just face civil lawsuits he can pay out with a public apology, if not lucky and he violated some law he might face felony/misdemeanor charges like he has in the past.
herding cats
(19,564 posts)He's already been proven, more than once, to be a lying sack of feces. That he's getting any airtime is pretty disgusting, really.
It's going to be fine! Relax, and don't worry about a lying POS like James O'Keefe.
Oh, and Twitter AC360 that he's digging in a dung heap.
William769
(55,147 posts)Was the first news I saw today & I thought to myself oh shit.
herding cats
(19,564 posts)Then I saw who it was, and the "previously discredited" tacked on after his name on CNN. Then I realized this was the worst they could come up with. Which is really pretty great news for us!
She's got this, it's going to be fine.
Divine Discontent
(21,056 posts)We need to heal any misunderstandings, and work on helping people figure things out. I see nothing wrong with asking questions. And as long as people are being mature in replying to people's concerns and worries, and the person asking takes the info positively, we should be able to ask anything.
Your post is golden, imho.
Keep up the good work!
Rex
(65,616 posts)NC GOPs state spokesperson admitted on NBC that the Orange County party office actually held completed absentee ballots. If thats true, then the NC GOP just admitted to a serious election felony.
Seems someone had something to hide, I hope they investigate the hell out of this.