them canned from here? People I haven't seen in years are over there.

They prefer it there, I guess

really fucking disappointed. Did they troll here for all those years?

The Hillary hate matters more to some of them than anything else.

Either they were trolling or they really are that stupid.

Maybe it's a bit of both.

DU became a Hillary Hate Site for a few months, for real.

reside over there by choice.

Turns out it was all HRC hate. Depresses me too, some of those names are old names that posted here on DU1 and 2. Now they support Trump...I have no respect for them. None.

really stupid asshole for potus. They're ok with that.. and twist themselves into stupid pretzels to make it so.

The HDS is rotting their brains.

I won't be kind to anyone that supported Trump that crawls back over here.

about every little thing Hillary does. Just like they did win Obama.

It won't be the same for them, a lot of us will never let them live this down. It will be their Used Car Salesman moment. IMO.

pals around with Communists.

Some of their posts and threads are so far out there that they are funny

As with most forms of hatred, Hillary-hate has made nominally progressive posters (at least some of them) go down the dark road of 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend'.

At first it seemed to be largely pro-Bernie and quite progressive which is fine. Then it seemed to morph into a pro-Green Party mindset. Again that's not bad, IMHO. But bitterness has driven them over the edge. It is now full of links to right wing sites and conspiracy theories and praise for Trump. Progressive media is treated with disdain while Drudge and Gateway Pundit are treated as 'truth tellers'. It feels like a far-right site like freeperville or Red State now.

in my opinion. They posted vile stuff about Obama and because the could not get single payer and everything they claimed to want, they attacked him mercilessly.

though. For most of those, H is just the main focus of a constant hostility toward Democrats, especially mainstream liberals.

They're the type of far-lefter who is very emotionally involved in hating the generally moderately left Democratic Party--so much so that these people can't be bothered with worrying about other groups. (They're in addition, of course, to JPR conservatives who delight in the same hates.)

Rough quote from a social scientist who's studied the far left and far right: "The difference between the far right and the far left is that the far right hates everyone else and the far left hates itself."

But if they've just gone over to Trump, or just wanna hate on Hillary or kick our Bravenak around, well, that's quite different.

I'm already in trouble with one friend from Catholic school who chastises me for the way I feel about - well, shall we call 'em Trump jumpers? That I should be more understanding, and less judgmental, and all that.

Well, that's just too damn bad. I find myself standing firmly with the Rude Pundit on this one... NO sympathy for those who relentlessly and willfully refuse to open their eyes and/or their minds, despite any and all evidence to the contrary.

http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2016/10/yeah-sorry-but-fuck-donald-trumps.html

And I did find this, an article titled "Here's the One Frightening Psychological Characteristic that Online Trolls Tend to Share", which I found MOST instructive:

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/09/heres-the-one-the-one-frightening-psychological-characteristic-that-online-trolls-tend-to-share/

From the story:
The question for non-trolls is, behind the layer of protective anonymity, what lies at the core of the troll psyche. The findings of a few studies suggest that trolls who are mean-spirited and manipulative online have offline personalities to match, and that insecurity drives a fair amount of their trollery.

Case in point are two 2014 studies from Canada’s University of Manitoba that looked at the personalities of some 1,200 people who engage in trolling, which the researchers described as “behaving in a deceptive, destructive, or disruptive manner in a social setting on the internet” for seemingly no purpose at all. (The trolls would likely say they do it for the “lulz,” or laughs that come at another person’s expense.)

In the first study, participants were given tests measuring sadistic tendencies to get a feel for how much they enjoyed hurting other people. One a scale of 1 to 5, those surveyed were asked to rate the extent to which they agreed with statements like, “hurting people is exciting’’ and, ‘‘I enjoy hurting people.’’ They were also posed questions that gauged their levels of psychopathy, and asked about fairly mundane things, like the amount of time they spend on the internet and their favorite online activities (with trolling given as one option). The second study “assessed trolling behavior, identification and enjoyment” along a rating scale, along with a few other things.
“Both studies revealed similar patterns of relations between trolling and the Dark Tetrad of personality: trolling correlated positively with sadism, psychopathy, and Machiavellianism,” the researchers wrote. In other words, those who took part in trolling generally enjoyed watching others suffer, were pathologically self-absorbed and lacked “conscience and empathy.”

“Of all personality measures, sadism showed the most robust associations with trolling and, importantly, the relationship was specific to trolling behavior,” study authors note. “Enjoyment of other online activities, such as chatting and debating, was unrelated to sadism. Thus cyber-trolling appears to be an internet manifestation of everyday sadism… Both trolls and sadists feel sadistic glee at the distress of others. Sadists just want to have fun… and the internet is their playground!”


Notice, too, the empathy thing here, in the last two paragraphs above. Remember who sneered and scoffed at the idea of empathy? This was back after John Kerry lost to bush/cheney in 2004 (under some questionable circumstances involving vote counting in Ohio, with Kenneth Blackwell - then Ohio's secretary of state and conveniently enough, chair of the state bush/cheney campaign - a male version of Florida's Katherine Harris from Selection 2000?). Answer: Dick Cheney.

Most of them were trolls and shit stirrers.

many support Trump; they were never progressives,never true Bernie supporters and caused an enormous amount of trouble in the primary...good riddance.

That's the sole basis for that site. It's not healthy

misogyny
noun
1. hatred, dislike, or mistrust of women, or prejudice against women.

Many of them should be supervised and have their internet taken away.

Not exactly sure who their captors are, could be more than one.

SS is no joke!!! Hell, I still suffer from it, but Auntie Hillary says Obamacare will help me.

I faintly remember a post or two about that topic. I can't remember all those details, my silly woman's mind has trouble with those things. So sorry for your suffering, brave.

To quote Barbara Bush:

My recovery is assured though, thank you for your support. Though once the SS is gone, I will still be hysterical often, my hormones you know? I sometimes get sick and have my period at the same time, puts lives in danger. I worry for this world with all of us pussies running wild and voting. My uncle says these are the end times and his wife is acting all bold and doing what she wants to anytime she wants. He blames Hillary. I'm sure he's right, my aunt did early vote.

I pray for your speedy recovery, I know many people in the past were so unsure of that. I have faith in you. I know you have one hell of a mind. I know you will make the right choices for you. YOU!

Dear, bravenak. Deep breath, shed the mantle of SS that has burdened you for so long, and go out and fucking vote! Vote for you. Vote for your future. Vote for the men that have been murdered and the babies that were left behind. Vote the past, Vote the future. BLM.

As you well know some of this was tongue in cheek. The rest was not. I stand with you.

Well you know. I think us womens are going to vote us a Senate majority as well!

They hate 'the media' but are addicted to it.

Yup!

Every single one of those assholes are worthless people

Not worth a minute of our time

and good friends of many people here.

I am immensely saddened by the fact that they've chosen to leave DU, but I will never call them "worthless losers" or "assholes".

There is far too much free-floating hostility and denigration of others happening in our country these days, I do not care to add to it.

I will post what I want when I want as long as it's within the rules

Sorry about your luck

you want us to feel sorry for those posters who not only degrade our nominee but also take the part of Trump. Trump, who self confesses to serially sexually assaulting women. Who also is trying undermine our democratic system by alleging voter election fraud and using dog whistles to do it, these same posters have sat by while Trump is sowing this racial discontent. These posters are also taking Putin's side over the USA. I maybe a newbie, here at DU less than a year. But it seems to me that they are getting what they deserve.

I said I was sad because some of the people there used to be my friends. I'm sad that they've gone down the path they've gone down, but I don't feel sorry for them - it was their choice.

The fact is, the only person I feel sorry for is me - because of the old friends I've lost.

They're outright unhinged-- In the same breath, Putin, Assange, Ecuador, Kerry, and MK-fucking-Ultra. They've gone full Alex Jones. Cut them out, forget.

If somebody is so pissed off that more people voted for Clinton than Sanders that they are happy to support not one, but two men who have committed sexual violence against women, then I don't see anything wrong with calling them assholes.

I'm not sure I'd be so eager to describe people who think sexual violence is okay as long as the person doing it is opposing Clinton on something would meet my standards for a "good friend", what with them not even qualifying as being good people.

WTF?

Hillary.

The TOS were made very clear to anyone who wanted to remain a member. Those who chose not to remain members did so because they refused to abide by those TOS.

but it really comes down to this. This election is the election of a lifetime. The course of the Supreme Court will be decided for decades to come by the next President. If there were no other issues for the next president, that would be enough reason alone to vote for the Democratic nominee, and a good number of those who choose to leave did so because they refused to vote for the Democratic nominee

And that I'm sick of name-calling.

toned it down a level. Maybe if the new TOS were implemented sooner things would have been different, but it is what it is.

I agree, name-calling is counter productive

to the efforts of many who sit at Jackpines...so I hope they never come back. There is a difference between discussing issues and literally stalking people with the intention to get rid of them. I would like to add that I had a timeout that was my own fault and not associated with this. But people I knew for years were pushed out during the primary. Thank God the primary is over and the new rules are working well for all in my opinion.

tactics, because that is what they were, are persona non grata, and they made this place a living hell for those of us who supported Hillary, and good riddance to them. I have nothing but disdain for them, and the fact that most of them threw Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, and other progressives who supported Hillary under the proverbial bus, exposed them for who they were.

It was a bitter experience...glad it is over.

there was a lot of infighting on DU during the primary and things got pretty heated at times. To this day there are those who cannot say a kind word about Bernie supports which is a shame. I can understand why some chose to look for another venue and I will never do a Trump on anyone by calling them grade school names.

They are insufferable fuckwits. And I will be enjoying their crying immensely in a couple of weeks. To hell with them all.

They always were horrible posters, and now are literally Fascists. They turned DU into a Hillary Hate site during teh Primaries, and silenced most of us, while good folks got canned.

No, we will not shut up about those haters and Fascists. Check yourself.

Your choice in friends casts suspicion on the quality of your judgement. JPR is staffed by and filled with right-wing dirt bags, and it's not new behavior on their part. Maybe you chose hot to notice, and want to continue doing that, but the rest of us aren't going to bury our heads in the sand the same way.

They add to the hatred. And many have bragged about how they 'got rid of Hillary supporters' at DU. I have no use for any person who is voting for Trump directly or via Stein. It says something about their character or lack- there- of. Also, they trash this site on a regular basis. And those who have posting privileges still try to stir up trouble...including the 'be nice to greens' and many of the 'concern' posts.

Many of the JPR posters were never democrats and never supported the Democratic Party. I am glad that they left

'There is far too much free-floating hostility and denigration of others happening in our country these days, I do not care to add to it.'

Have you seen what they post over there? Yet you are defending that with those asshats. Can't have it both ways.

If they simply left to go somewhere else that's one thing but the vomit they are spewing over there is disgusting and quite frankly unhinged.

Maybe they do need you as their friend - they need someone to make sure they don't implode on Nov 8.

I've only gone over to JPR twice - once when it was first started - and I knew I wanted nothing to do with it - and then yesterday when I followed bravenak's link.

I have no interest in that place. I found it totally offensive from the get-go because they named it after a wonderful DUer who was deceased and had no say in their exploitation of his good name. He was a very enthusiastic Bernie supporter, but I'm quite sure that he would NEVER have agreed with the rabid Hilary hate that was making DU so awful.

You know, I've been on DU for over 15 years. Over those years I have made many good friends, and there are lots of them who are no longer here. Some were lost through death (too damn many!), some were lost because they've simply moved on and lost interest in DU, and some were lost because they have become "unhinged". Those are all different ways of losing friends. And every loss, no matter the cause, saddens me, that's just how I am.

Sorry for your loss, but fuck them.

I'll admit I had high hopes for the site when it started and I did join it. I was shocked by how quickly it deteriorated and I'm glad I never donated.

I check it out once in while but less frequently and I've noticed fewer and fewer posts by those who tried to be reasonable (and by reasonable I mean, still support Bernie's positions and are with him on who to vote for.)

Aloha GusBob

post. lol

I see we're all hangin' in there.. doin' what we do best for democracy, flea!

I thought of you the other day when I posted this from Oregon..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512512718

But largely that site's membership is a bunch of dirtbags

... since day one. And that's what JPR has become - and we're free to discuss it.

I don't see DUers referring to discussions about Freeperville as "stirring up shit". Why should JPR be treated differently?

it's very simplistic to reduce it to that binary state.

... in support of their chosen ideology. They are all "true believers" - read the book.

on both fringes are similar, though. Like the denizens of sites such as Free Republic and InfoWars, these people are hostile towards anyone who doesn't walk lock-step with their political views. Both crowds loathe Hillary Clinton and those of us who support her, they bear resentment towards the Democratic Party, they believe in some of the wildest political conspiracies, and they're acting as if they'd rather have Trump win than endure 4 years of a Hillary Clinton administration. It's one thing to be a liberal or a conservative, but it's another to be totally unreasonable and pout about not getting one's way.

... 24/7, quotes Brietbart and other RW sources, links to RW sites, praises RW authors/bloggers, etc.

There is nothing "left" or "progressive" about any of it. JPR has become a RW site. It certainly didn't intend to be that when it started - but it is nevertheless what it's become.

I check JPR every morning to find out what the RW is up to. I am never disappointed in that regard. Whatever the RW sites are spewing that day, JPR is spewing it as well.

That's not simplistic - it's just a fact. When a website is full of RW bullshit to the exclusion of all else, it's a RW site.

Pine wouldn't like what's going on at that so-called memorial site.

That whole site is such an insult to his memory.

They are rightwingers and the enemy.

They're also racists and misogynists.

They also name themselves something that sounds progressive when they really are racists and misogynists like you said.

In my small town - some Trump people registered Dem for the primary just to vote against Hillary.

Hypocritical it was.

Whereas you felt compelled to call out Bravenak by name.

Why?

I purposely left out the names

clicked to see who the OP was..

Figures

Just the tweet, no more! But my oh my, the things folks read into that one tweet!!! Amazing shit!

Some forums:

This Could Be a bombshell — Vince Foster affair with HRC

Oh my… The National Enquirer tomorrow will be hot
Hillary Fixer Breaks Ranks: I Arranged Sex Trysts For Her — With Men & WOMEN
PLUS more stunning revelations from the Clintons’ bag man!

Maybe they'll think up new ones once Hillary is president? That would at least be something a little different.

trump?

That against your rules, is it?

Her crime, calling out a RW site.