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Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 08:10 AM Oct 2016

A good debunking of the latest wikileaks mini-scandal on Patrick Kennedy

Last edited Wed Oct 19, 2016, 11:54 AM - Edit history (1)

http://electionado.com/canvas/1476747856141

Manufacturing Corruption - Part 24: Patrick Kennedy, the FBI and Clinton emails

Overall, a useful resource at this site--
"This story is part of a series focused on addressing misleading or false attacks on Democratic Presidential nominee Hillary Clinton, alleging that she is corrupt.

You can read other parts of this series as well as related analyses in this gallery."
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A good debunking of the latest wikileaks mini-scandal on Patrick Kennedy (Original Post) Fast Walker 52 Oct 2016 OP
of course the Hillary haters I see on Facebook are freaking out about this latest story-- Fast Walker 52 Oct 2016 #1
Makes me wonder if they have any understanding of how different sinkingfeeling Oct 2016 #2
probably not to any significant degree! Fast Walker 52 Oct 2016 #3
Good post from Atrios on this-- Fast Walker 52 Oct 2016 #4
 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
1. of course the Hillary haters I see on Facebook are freaking out about this latest story--
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 08:24 AM
Oct 2016

such clear evidence of corruption for them. "How can anyone support Hillary?"

 

Fast Walker 52

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3. probably not to any significant degree!
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 11:53 AM
Oct 2016

Hard to know how many people are uninformed versus willfully painting these in a bad light.

Certainly some skeezy media outlets are more than happy to take advantage of these wikileaks "revelations" and sensationalize them.

 

Fast Walker 52

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4. Good post from Atrios on this--
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 11:55 AM
Oct 2016

"...I was asked about how the press should deal with the DNC leaks.

Anyway, my basic position is that this type of hack(or however the emails were obtained)/leak generally doesn't rise to the level of newsworthy and in the public interest which would in any way justify the means that they were obtained. Sure there are some interesting things, but I haven't seen much that rises above the level of gossip. Anyone taking an absolutist position against obtaining information through nefarious means is taking a position against journalism, really, but that doesn't mean all information just wants to be free and any nefarious means is always justified.

However, they are, as Cokie says, out there. You can't put that toothpaste back in the tube. They're going to be disseminated and seen and spun by crappy news outlets and stupid bloggers and partisan entities which are trying to make a shiny enough soccer ball so that if they kick it the rest of the press will follow. And context really matters for a big data dump of emails. For example, the internal discussions of political campaigns and the relationships between campaign people and reporters is not something people understand very well if they've never done it. Things can easily be painted as somehow "corrupt" and the press can be portrayed as being "complicit" in something when it's actually just perfectly standard behavior. You know, things like journalists contacting a campaign to comment on something can be seen as the journalists coordinating with a campaign or warning them about a story that's coming, when in fact it's just good journalistic practice.

So even if the stuff in the leaks isn't really newsworthy, journalists who do understand this stuff should take a look at it and provide the proper explanation and context. There's a big history of portraying perfectly normal political actions by the Clintons as somehow being deviant and corrupt, when they're just standard operating procedures. They're just what everybody does. Things like "campaign tries to forge good relations with members of the press" or "campaign plots strategy months in advance" are normal. Maybe some of it's gross, maybe normal is gross, but it doesn't say anything specific about the Clinton campaign other than they're playing the game as it is played.

tl;dr: can't ignore the leaks, this is an area political journalists should have knowledge of and expertise in, so they should use that to explain them. "

http://www.eschatonblog.com/2016/10/the-leaks-are-out-there.html

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