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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 02:41 PM Oct 2016

Anyone else play poker? I used to play quite a bit.

NYT has Trump at 8%, which is about the chances of hitting an inside straight on the river. Predictwise has him at 10%, which in holdem terms is about a 5-outer, and 538 has him at 14%, which is between a 6-outer and a 7-outer.

In terms of a heads up all-in matchup, Hillary has Aces and Trump has A9 suited.

Not good odds for Trump. But I've seen enough crazy river cards to not feel safe.

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Anyone else play poker? I used to play quite a bit. (Original Post) DanTex Oct 2016 OP
yeah he's short-stacked and about to get blinded out. unblock Oct 2016 #1
His only option is flipping the table and pulling a shotgun out Cosmocat Oct 2016 #7
How much is the rake, yortsed snacilbuper Oct 2016 #2
Well, his go-to move has always been to bluff. Always. Orsino Oct 2016 #3
Except the outcome of a race isn't random. People's support for a candidate doesn't flip easily. scheming daemons Oct 2016 #4
Right Cosmocat Oct 2016 #8
On planet Earth, you mean? One good scandal - even a faked one - "Swiftboat" sound familiar? ColemanMaskell Oct 2016 #12
A. She's already dealt with much worse than "Swiftboat" B. A "swift-boating" takes weeks scheming daemons Oct 2016 #13
I think he's holding nothing, 7 high Maeve Oct 2016 #5
it is not the same Cosmocat Oct 2016 #6
He's more like 7-2 offsuit, lol. JTFrog Oct 2016 #9
I stopped playing poker after a MineralMan Oct 2016 #11
The difference is that river cards are random.. CajunBlazer Oct 2016 #15
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unblock

(52,243 posts)
1. yeah he's short-stacked and about to get blinded out.
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 02:49 PM
Oct 2016

his only option is to shove, even though he's holding the equivalent of 7-2 suited.


here's the real problem -- there's a reason he's in this desperate situation, and it's not the luck of the draw. he's gotten reasonable cards, but played them very, very poorly.

so why should we think he'll suddenly start playing any better?



Orsino

(37,428 posts)
3. Well, his go-to move has always been to bluff. Always.
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 02:58 PM
Oct 2016

It's a tell, and it's why he was never goIng to win.

 

scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
4. Except the outcome of a race isn't random. People's support for a candidate doesn't flip easily.
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 03:08 PM
Oct 2016

It's not like a great "river card" can pop up and give him the win.

He needs to get 10 million voters to change their minds. At this stage of the campaign, that ain't happening.


This is more like a football game than a poker game. Trump is down by 4 touchdowns and there's about 3 minutes left in the game. One lucky play won't do it for him.

ColemanMaskell

(783 posts)
12. On planet Earth, you mean? One good scandal - even a faked one - "Swiftboat" sound familiar?
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 03:33 PM
Oct 2016

It's hard to imagine any conceivable scandal they could cook up against Hillary, but then again they've never been fettered by an overabundance of moral principles (unless maybe if you invert the meaning of "moral&quot . Other unforeseen occurrences could transpire to intervene -- her plane could crash, or perhaps it would be more effective if HIS plane chanced to crash and they promoted Pence to the candidacy. The KKK could switch its endorsement to Hillary at the last minute based on some manufactured secret conspiracy allegedly discovered "proving" she plans to implement genocide. (The horse could sing.)

On the other hand, he didn't mention the flagship gambler's evidence here: mega-bookie Paddy Power is already paying off on bets that were placed on Hillary.

Maeve

(42,282 posts)
5. I think he's holding nothing, 7 high
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 03:11 PM
Oct 2016

Altho the obvious joke is that she has four queens and he has a dead-man's hand......

oops, on edit,,,4 kings, because Wild Bill had two pair with a queen kicker...

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
6. it is not the same
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 03:14 PM
Oct 2016

I love hold um, but it really is not the same.

Those odds are based on truly random draws.

Polling data is not random. It isn't absolute, but it based on professionally designed measurements conducted within the confines of established protocol.

Also, the betting markets are based on balancing the bets.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
11. I stopped playing poker after a
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 03:27 PM
Oct 2016

barracks pot-limit game of straight draw poker. I drew one card to complete a jack-high straight flush. I raised the pot on the only other player left. He raised back. I emptied my wallet to call. We threw down. He had a king high straight flush.

I decided that if I couldn't bet everything I had on a straight flush and win every time, I shouldn't be playing poker. Haven't played since.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
15. The difference is that river cards are random..
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 03:51 PM
Oct 2016

...subject to the cards which have already been dealt.

The small percentages which Trump is stuck with are dependent on the polls in a large number of swing state all being wrong in significant way - all in Trump's favor - at the same time.

Right now Hillary is winning in all of those states. If the election were to be held today and all of the polls averages on the 538 website are dead on, she would win 341.8 votes in the electoral college.

For Trump to win he would have to take all of the following states where Hillary's leads are the lowest: Arizona - 11 ECVotes) - lead 0.9% - Chance of Winning 55.6%, Iowa 6 ECV - lead 1.1%, CoW 56.7%, Ohio - 18 ECV - lead 1.9%, Cow 62.1%, North Carolina - 15 ECV - lead 3.1%, CoW 70.6%, and Florida - 29 ECV - lead 3.9%, CoW 74.2%.

There are other scenarios were different combination of states are possible, but they are much less likely. Nevada would be the next most likely state to fall to trump -6 ECV - lead 4.1%, CoW 73.8%. but after that would be Minnesota - 10 ECV - lead 7.3%, CoW 86.1%, so the chances of Minnesota falling to Trump are slim.

But remember, all of this is predicated on the condition that the election is held to day, and it won't be. The question is whether Hillary can keep or even expand her leads in Arizona, Iowa, Ohio, North Carolina, Florida and Nevada over the next 22 days until the election.

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