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BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 10:41 PM Oct 2016

I know it is unpopular, but Chris Wallace did a good job

He has a bias, for sure, but I thought he was about as fair as we could possibly expect and he did insist that the candidates address his questions.

I think he was the best moderator we have seen. Personally I can live with his biases.

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I know it is unpopular, but Chris Wallace did a good job (Original Post) BlueStreak Oct 2016 OP
Much better than I expected Snake Plissken Oct 2016 #1
He really did surprise me and I have to agree with the OP. arthritisR_US Oct 2016 #10
I agree, he did fine...nt Wounded Bear Oct 2016 #2
I agree. Agschmid Oct 2016 #4
He did. elleng Oct 2016 #5
I agree Txbluedog Oct 2016 #6
Not liberal N proud Oct 2016 #7
he wasn't edhopper Oct 2016 #8
He allowed Trump to run rampant over the whole debate Siwsan Oct 2016 #9
Which probably helped Hillary democrattotheend Oct 2016 #16
I guess I'm just sick and tired of the bullying behavior being tolerated Siwsan Oct 2016 #26
I don't "guess" -- I KNOW. And I'm pretty sure you do too, but you're just being polite. MADem Oct 2016 #111
Absolutely. BlueStreak Oct 2016 #27
I agree... chillfactor Oct 2016 #37
absolutely, then he'd warn tRump and then let it happen 0rganism Oct 2016 #78
Agreed Peaches999 Oct 2016 #103
Agree SharonClark Oct 2016 #55
I agree. Overall, it was substantive and orderly Renew Deal Oct 2016 #11
In the end, what people will remember about this debate is Wallace asking Trump if he would StevieM Oct 2016 #12
Yep! he must have looked so petulant in need of a pacifer Cha Oct 2016 #49
It was a Bernard Shaw moment, that--but Bernard is nowhere to be found anymore. MADem Oct 2016 #112
He called Trump out on specific questions, but let him run on, interrupt, end each part. uppityperson Oct 2016 #13
He did fine. phleshdef Oct 2016 #14
He did his job for the gop and Trump couldnt Johonny Oct 2016 #15
You might be right. NCTraveler Oct 2016 #58
+1,000,000! nt MADem Oct 2016 #113
He got on my nerves occasionally but I though he was good overall. n/t BlueStater Oct 2016 #17
Agreed Glamrock Oct 2016 #18
I had no issue with him Dem2 Oct 2016 #20
The best of any moderator....hands off...but questions beachbumbob Oct 2016 #21
Yeah I agree but it was subtle WatchWhatISay Oct 2016 #66
I loved canetoad Oct 2016 #22
His questions were straight from r.w. talking points. Plus he let trump ramble incoherently and ... femmocrat Oct 2016 #23
Agree SharonClark Oct 2016 #56
That's what I saw too. bettyellen Oct 2016 #99
That's not unpopular with me....he is probably their most respected journalist and I Cakes488 Oct 2016 #24
That wasn't journalism on display. That was a right wing hack asking questions crafted by MADem Oct 2016 #114
I don't know, he framed the election as a referendum on the SCOTUS. ecstatic Oct 2016 #25
Well vadermike Oct 2016 #39
agree... chillfactor Oct 2016 #28
I 100% agree. Very fair. n/t ScienceIsGood Oct 2016 #29
I was surprised at his control. spiderpig Oct 2016 #30
I disagree Proud Liberal Dem Oct 2016 #31
I completely agree, Mme. Defarge Oct 2016 #32
I didn't think Wallace was as saltpoint Oct 2016 #33
I agree and I was pessimistic about his impartiality kimbutgar Oct 2016 #34
I disagree. He let Trump always get the last little bit in even when there was no time. AgadorSparticus Oct 2016 #35
Yea but kacekwl Oct 2016 #41
Well, gosh darnit....you do have a point there....I need a drink... AgadorSparticus Oct 2016 #46
That, AgadorSparicus, sums it all up tidily. And I'm joining you soon as I dash this off . . . NBachers Oct 2016 #64
I think we all need a drink after that. Cheers! AgadorSparticus Oct 2016 #72
He also called on Hillary FIRST for the opening AND closing question. MADem Oct 2016 #86
Wallace backed up Trump's open borders slander against Hillary. raging moderate Oct 2016 #106
And then, when she demanded he view the comment in context, the fucker tried to cut her off. MADem Oct 2016 #108
I'll eat crow budkin Oct 2016 #36
He was only "good" if you think it's ok to cut off the woman candidate, let the male candidate MADem Oct 2016 #109
He directed all of the complicated policy questions to Hillary first so she could describe the facts truthisfreedom Oct 2016 #38
Have to say I was kacekwl Oct 2016 #40
I thought was decent... Adrahil Oct 2016 #42
He did mcar Oct 2016 #43
Agreed. highplainsdem Oct 2016 #44
Yes, I grudgingly agree. book_worm Oct 2016 #45
Agreed n/t archiemo Oct 2016 #47
That was mainly because Trump was calmer. joshcryer Oct 2016 #48
Yeah notice how he listened to Wallace underpants Oct 2016 #53
For 20 minutes. After that, it was the same old Trump, and by the end BlueStreak Oct 2016 #67
Wallace did, to his credit, admonish the crowd more than the others. joshcryer Oct 2016 #92
I agree. He was balanced and smartly provocative Bucky Oct 2016 #50
Well said, my dear Bucky! Smartly provocative IS correct. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2016 #63
Wallace peggysue2 Oct 2016 #51
Pretty good. underpants Oct 2016 #52
He was ok. wildeyed Oct 2016 #54
I agree. Nt NCTraveler Oct 2016 #57
Agreed...I was able to relax early Awsi Dooger Oct 2016 #59
I agree with you 100%. BigDemVoter Oct 2016 #60
Wallace did better than I expected Gothmog Oct 2016 #61
He wasn't horrible but he has the wordiest way of asking questions. Gidney N Cloyd Oct 2016 #62
1. Chris was better than I expected 2. I was wrong about him 3. Time for another sip NBachers Oct 2016 #65
It actually kind of sounded like a debate. Ellen Forradalom Oct 2016 #68
I give him credit for pushing on the rigged election bit. yellowcanine Oct 2016 #69
I agree with you. lovemydog Oct 2016 #70
He did a good job. Questions were fair, handled the crowd well and kept the candidates in check qdouble Oct 2016 #71
I was surprised burrowowl Oct 2016 #73
Lobbing softballs at Trump, not speaking up when Conald interrupted her MADem Oct 2016 #74
I think some men overlook the interrupting because they spooky3 Oct 2016 #80
Wallace was AFRAID of Trump-he had a fearful timbre in his voice. MADem Oct 2016 #83
As to your key point (sorry for the 2 replies, but I think this matters), MADem Oct 2016 #120
There was at least one instance where Hillary was given a new topic to speak on stopbush Oct 2016 #87
He interrupted 35 times, she responded with ten interruptions. MADem Oct 2016 #119
+1 Starry Messenger Oct 2016 #94
Best debate, Wallace lived up to the family name. radius777 Oct 2016 #75
Wallace stunk--he was afraid of Trump and let him get away with MADem Oct 2016 #84
Yep, he did fine. My husband also said so of his own accord. LeftRant Oct 2016 #76
Yes, but the topics! LisaM Oct 2016 #77
Much better than I feared. But too much debt hysteria nt geek tragedy Oct 2016 #79
I caught pieces of it and from what I saw. he did a good job. underthematrix Oct 2016 #81
He was fair. I was pleasantly surprised. Then again... kysrsoze Oct 2016 #82
He wasn't a complete hack exboyfil Oct 2016 #85
On second glance, he was more than fine. He did an extremely good job. phleshdef Oct 2016 #88
I didn't see the debate and I don't like what I've seen of Chris Wallace DFW Oct 2016 #89
Having just seen the replay here in Europe, yes, Chris Wallace did a fine job, he kept the debate OnDoutside Oct 2016 #90
Wallace did a good job. n/t DemonGoddess Oct 2016 #91
I have to say he was excellent and I'm not ashamed to say it! I was so very Upthevibe Oct 2016 #93
I was mildly impressed right from the first question, which was substantive. Orsino Oct 2016 #95
I was surprised about his performance. avebury Oct 2016 #96
Agree that Wallace did a good, non-Foxish job. Hortensis Oct 2016 #97
We forget that Ailes is no longer in charge of Fox. ChairmanAgnostic Oct 2016 #98
Umhm, that this performance would affect his reputation Hortensis Oct 2016 #100
Well, I don't think Wallace wil be in any history books, unless they are self-published BlueStreak Oct 2016 #104
Lol. In this case, he successfully avoided having his name Hortensis Oct 2016 #107
Murdoch is, and Murdoch has Ailes on retainer. He's still providing input --just from a distance. MADem Oct 2016 #115
Disagree. He brought up every single RW talking point/myth as if they were something that HRC had FSogol Oct 2016 #101
In spite of the fact that he blatantly promoted RWNJ conspiracies... MrScorpio Oct 2016 #102
He used assumptions and RW talkking points to frame questions. He was awful and biased. Coyotl Oct 2016 #105
I am fucking SHOCKED at the number of people who think that performance by Chris Wallace was any MADem Oct 2016 #110
He created the atmosphere of a real debate, even if he slanted the questions BlueStreak Oct 2016 #116
"Even if he slanted..." ??? WTF??? Why are you giving him a pass? MADem Oct 2016 #118
Proof that two people seeing the same event "see" ChairmanAgnostic Oct 2016 #117
Please--this has NOTHING to do with Murdoch. Don't obfuscate like that. It's WRONG. MADem Oct 2016 #121

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
16. Which probably helped Hillary
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 10:43 PM
Oct 2016

The more Trump is allowed to talk, the better Hillary looks. Let's be honest here.

Siwsan

(26,273 posts)
26. I guess I'm just sick and tired of the bullying behavior being tolerated
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 10:46 PM
Oct 2016

I really hope that after November 9, we will get a massive respite from that vile, loathsome creature.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
111. I don't "guess" -- I KNOW. And I'm pretty sure you do too, but you're just being polite.
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 01:18 PM
Oct 2016

He ENABLED Trump by letting him go over his time, interrupt HRC over and over and OVER again without being chastised (yet he chastised Clinton when she defended herself), and tossing him softball questions with a wingnutty slant. Bullying, indeed. Sexist, too. Enough, already.

Wallace sucked.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
27. Absolutely.
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 10:47 PM
Oct 2016

She showed some real balls (figuratively speaking) under his torrent.

She was on point every single minute of this debate. That was an impressive performance, and it completely took away any opportunity for Trump to slander her health and stamina.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
12. In the end, what people will remember about this debate is Wallace asking Trump if he would
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 10:43 PM
Oct 2016

promise to respect and acknowledge the election results and Trump refusing to say yes.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
49. Yep! he must have looked so petulant in need of a pacifer
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 11:24 PM
Oct 2016
Charles M. Blow
✔ ?@CharlesMBlow
WAIT. WAIT. WAIT. Trump just refused to commit to accepting the outcome of the election. THAT'S HUGE. This is not a joke. Outrageous #debate
4:08 PM - 19 Oct 2016
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h/t https://theobamadiary.com/2016/10/19/chat-away-880/#comments

MADem

(135,425 posts)
112. It was a Bernard Shaw moment, that--but Bernard is nowhere to be found anymore.
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 01:20 PM
Oct 2016

He retired. Maybe Wallace should follow suit, because he's a right wing hack.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
58. You might be right.
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 11:37 PM
Oct 2016

Perception.

I originally posted that I agreed about Wallace doing a good job. Clinton doing as well as she did and Trump performing like Trump might have skewed my perception of Wallace.

Interesting thought.

Glamrock

(11,802 posts)
18. Agreed
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 10:43 PM
Oct 2016

Best moderator this cycle.... Although, kudos to old what's his name for asking if he ever sexually assaulted anyone before...

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
20. I had no issue with him
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 10:44 PM
Oct 2016

When he called Trump a liar, I felt that was a sign he was attempting to be fair.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
21. The best of any moderator....hands off...but questions
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 10:44 PM
Oct 2016

Were slanted in manner for trump to wail on Hillary

WatchWhatISay

(3,426 posts)
66. Yeah I agree but it was subtle
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 12:21 AM
Oct 2016

Trump would have had to have much more help than that, to have benefitted

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
23. His questions were straight from r.w. talking points. Plus he let trump ramble incoherently and ...
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 10:44 PM
Oct 2016

interrupt while cutting Clinton off. At one point, they both talked over her at once. Really rude.

When he corrected trump, he was more deferential. But at least he kept the audience in check.

 

Cakes488

(874 posts)
24. That's not unpopular with me....he is probably their most respected journalist and I
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 10:45 PM
Oct 2016

saw him interview Trump and also his commentary about it him and he called him out. He also called out Clinton she did a sit down with him too.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
114. That wasn't journalism on display. That was a right wing hack asking questions crafted by
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 01:31 PM
Oct 2016

wingnuts to give Trump an advantage. The questions were framed in Limbaugh fashion from a right wing slant, and accusatory towards Clinton. Trump was allowed to talk over and interrupt repeatedly.

The "journalist" actually did all he could to help Trump; he even scolded Clinton for sticking up for herself after he allowed Trump to "Wrong! Wrong!" and go over his time again and again--he was OBVIOUSLY biased...the bit of "mansplaining" was a cute trick, too that went over like a lead balloon.

Basically, Clinton beat Trump with one hand (Wallace) tied behind her back. She ruled--but not because there was any "journalism" on that stage or that the contest was fair. The only reason Wallace is getting any thrills is because of Trump's RESPONSE to the question about accepting the results. Had Trump said "Sure" people would give Wallace's shit performance the critique it deserved.

ecstatic

(32,712 posts)
25. I don't know, he framed the election as a referendum on the SCOTUS.
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 10:46 PM
Oct 2016

He pushed the forced-birthers and gun nuts back into Trump's camp. Now it's a matter of who turns out to vote.

spiderpig

(10,419 posts)
30. I was surprised at his control.
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 10:48 PM
Oct 2016

Not that it mattered to Trump, the oaf.

Trump talked all over him as though he were a lowly woman.

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
33. I didn't think Wallace was as
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 10:49 PM
Oct 2016

bad as he might have been but feel he fell well short of a high standard.

I don't really like him much, I trust him less, and he works for rightwing propagandists.

kimbutgar

(21,164 posts)
34. I agree and I was pessimistic about his impartiality
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 10:49 PM
Oct 2016

I am delighted I was proven wrong. He upheld his journalistic integrity.

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
35. I disagree. He let Trump always get the last little bit in even when there was no time.
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 10:49 PM
Oct 2016

He continually allowed Trump to interrupt Hillary. Just because he help trump's feet to the fire on 2 or 3 questions, I won't go as far and say he did a great job. If he had fully done his job, Trump would not be allowed to interrupt like that.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
86. He also called on Hillary FIRST for the opening AND closing question.
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 02:02 AM
Oct 2016

Gave Trump a chance to gather his thoughts while she had to bring it with no time to mentally prep.

He was a HORRIBLE moderator. I just can't believe that people did not see the bias, the favoritism, the ignoring of rudeness and interruptions, and the bit of mansplaining that he tried to pull. He was a sexist asshole. I don't think his father would be pleased. Regardless of party affiliation, his father didn't carry political water like that.

raging moderate

(4,306 posts)
106. Wallace backed up Trump's open borders slander against Hillary.
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 10:05 AM
Oct 2016

Wallace brought up a quote from a speech Hillary made a few years ago to bankers in which she used the phrase "open borders" without mentioning that she had been talking about financial transactions and necessary international procedures and regulations for them. Plus he ignored the fact that Trump had used the same phrase in a similar context a few years ago. They made a big deal about it, as though they had caught her in a lie and proved that she wants to remove all border protections.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
108. And then, when she demanded he view the comment in context, the fucker tried to cut her off.
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 01:10 PM
Oct 2016

Chris Wallace is a cringing, cowardly, sexist, Conald-enabling, woefully biased Fauxsnooze asswipe. He is NOT a "journalist" -- he is a HACK.

He couldn't hold a candle to his old man, and he never will.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
109. He was only "good" if you think it's ok to cut off the woman candidate, let the male candidate
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 01:13 PM
Oct 2016

interrupt and go over his time constantly, mansplain, and ask biased, slanted questions that were softballs to the unprepared orange blivet up on the stage.

He was HORRIBLE.

No need to 'eat crow,' he should be buying us all porterhouse steaks for having to watch his shit performance.


And even at that, with all that advantage, Trump couldn't survive. He is INEPT.

truthisfreedom

(23,148 posts)
38. He directed all of the complicated policy questions to Hillary first so she could describe the facts
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 10:50 PM
Oct 2016

and then trumpet could spew nonsense as a rebuttal without knowing fact 1 about anything.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
67. For 20 minutes. After that, it was the same old Trump, and by the end
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 01:01 AM
Oct 2016

you could hear a bit of trembling in Wallace's voice. This was a very difficult event to manage, with the candidates going at it hard and the audience trying to jump in.

I am glad Wallace was the moderator because that pretty much eliminates the possibility of Trump claiming the moderator was against him. And Hillary did what she needed to do. She was masterful.

Ultimately, this is all about whom you can trust to keep their head in a crisis. What we have seen is that Trump, at his very best, can remain under control for 20 minutes. After that, he becomes a human pinball. And we have also seen just how easy it is to set him off. Anybody think Putin wouldn't know how to push those buttons?

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
92. Wallace did, to his credit, admonish the crowd more than the others.
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 04:09 AM
Oct 2016

But other than that, the sanity of this debate was after Trump was highly encouraged and coached to not go off script. But that didn't last long of course, as you note. Trump became unhinged at around the 20-30 minute mark and he couldn't recover.

The irony is that if Trump simply stayed fucking calm for the entire debate he would've won. But he couldn't do it.

As I and many other observers knew he couldn't do. It's Trump.

peggysue2

(10,833 posts)
51. Wallace
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 11:27 PM
Oct 2016

did a decent job. Which only highlighted Trump's incredible inadequacies. There was no contest, folks. Hillary Clinton will be the next president of the United States. Despite all the whining to the contrary.

Boom!

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
54. He was ok.
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 11:32 PM
Oct 2016

There was a distinct bias to his language, the way he phrased the question. But it gave Clinton a chance to swing hard, and she hit a few out of the park. And he kept Trump on his leash, to some extent.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
59. Agreed...I was able to relax early
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 11:39 PM
Oct 2016

Within the first 5 minutes.

If Wallace were going to slant disgustingly it would have been via tone and emphasis to Hillary on the first question, regarding the Supreme Court.

Once that didn't happen I knew I had been overly fearful toward Wallace's performance. It was fine, other than allowing Trump to hog the final answer several times. However, since Trump was rambling incoherently by that point, it didn't help his cause or hurt Hillary.

I was frankly shocked that Wallace didn't mention the deplorables line, and that he didn't hit the email topic with overboard emphasis. Hillary seemed more willing to talk about WikiLeaks than Wallace was determined to devote time to it.

BigDemVoter

(4,150 posts)
60. I agree with you 100%.
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 11:44 PM
Oct 2016

I think he may have done the best job out of everybody, and I don't say that lightly, as I'm highly suspicious of
Faux News, and I was really prepared to hate him.

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,842 posts)
62. He wasn't horrible but he has the wordiest way of asking questions.
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 11:50 PM
Oct 2016

I thought he'd never finish asking the first one about SCOTUS appointments.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
69. I give him credit for pushing on the rigged election bit.
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 01:09 AM
Oct 2016

Because it caused Trump to shit all over himself. I actually thought the plan was that Trump would say, "Of course I will accept the results of the election." And I think that was the plan. Pence telegraphed it before the debate. But when push came to shove Trump could not physically make himself say it, because in fact he cannot accept a loss as that means he is a loser.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
70. I agree with you.
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 01:14 AM
Oct 2016

He stuck primarily to policy and was fair in keeping the time to answer & reply fairly equal.

I thought Anderson Cooper was pretty good in his debate. I've seen other moderators who do pretty well too.

The main reason I liked this one is that I feel it allowed each candidate to explain & outline their policy positions. Obviously as a liberal democrat I preferred Hillary Clinton's policies over those of the immature dude.

Good job Chris Wallace.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
74. Lobbing softballs at Trump, not speaking up when Conald interrupted her
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 01:39 AM
Oct 2016

over and over and over again, and mansplaining Clinton?

Yeah, he did a good job, all right....a real good job.

spooky3

(34,460 posts)
80. I think some men overlook the interrupting because they
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 01:50 AM
Oct 2016

Haven't experienced it throughout their careers as many women have. It's the responsibility of the moderator to at least limit and call attention to it.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
83. Wallace was AFRAID of Trump-he had a fearful timbre in his voice.
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 01:54 AM
Oct 2016

Trump bullied him and he rolled over a few times.

His father must be spinning in his grave.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
120. As to your key point (sorry for the 2 replies, but I think this matters),
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 11:01 PM
Oct 2016

it's not just women who get that treatment--if you are black, or brown, or tawny, or have an accent, or look, in any way, different from the guys who graduated with Wally Cleaver, you're gonna get that same treatment. YES, the women get it the worst, but I hope they know that they have allies in the multi-colored, multi-accented community of men as well, who have put up with that same "You're Different So That Means You Must Be Stupid" bias of the male caucasian hierarchy.

The moderator was one of the "owners" of the privileged road, not one who is trying to break new ground, so he didn't see it--or chose to ignore it, because he was carrying water for the GOP.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
87. There was at least one instance where Hillary was given a new topic to speak on
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 02:27 AM
Oct 2016

which meant she was supposed to have two minutes. About 30 seconds in, Trump interrupted her and took over answering the question. Wallace just sat there and let it happen without a peep.

Most of the questions asked were framed and informed by the thoughts of the RW fever swamps.

Other than that, yeah, he did well.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
119. He interrupted 35 times, she responded with ten interruptions.
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 10:50 PM
Oct 2016

Who got "scolded?" Hint: Not Trump.

And Wallace is supposed to be a "good moderator?"

FUCK him. Pardon my Freedom French!

radius777

(3,635 posts)
75. Best debate, Wallace lived up to the family name.
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 01:41 AM
Oct 2016

This was the best debate as far as both the moderation and the format, an example of how it should be done.

He maintained authority and control, gave more than enough time for responses, his follow up questions were appropriate, the flow was good, even if tense at times.

Even though he works for Fox he's basically a straight journalist, like his father was.

Lester Holt wasn't that good, Elaine Quijano was awful, Anderson/Radditz was ok but the weird hybrid debate/townhall format was really at fault in that one.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
84. Wallace stunk--he was afraid of Trump and let him get away with
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 01:58 AM
Oct 2016

repeated rudeness and interruptions.

He was no Mike Wallace--he was a sniveling and biased coward. He tried to mansplain HRC at one point--he came off like an asshole.


Even at that, Clinton blew the doors off. She crushed Trump. She overcame a shit moderator.

LeftRant

(524 posts)
76. Yep, he did fine. My husband also said so of his own accord.
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 01:43 AM
Oct 2016

I'm sure he has conservative biases, but he seems smart enough to know that not only is Trump NOT a conservative, but that he will wreck what's left of his party if he becomes president.

kysrsoze

(6,022 posts)
82. He was fair. I was pleasantly surprised. Then again...
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 01:51 AM
Oct 2016

I think he and most at Faux Nees abhor Drumpf and aren't willing to do him any favors.

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
85. He wasn't a complete hack
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 01:58 AM
Oct 2016

but he gave Trump the last word on nearly every topic. Also he did that at the end. The fact that Trump could not take advantage of this is a testament to how bad a candidate he is.

Also how could he let Trump get away with the "nasty woman" comment while Clinton was answering his question. He really should have called Trump out on that one after Clinton finished her answer. Remind him of how a presidential candidate should behave.

I would be curious to see the number of interruptions count. I got to think it will be highly skewed toward Trump again.

DFW

(54,412 posts)
89. I didn't see the debate and I don't like what I've seen of Chris Wallace
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 03:20 AM
Oct 2016

But no less than Howard Dean once told me that Wallace was the closest thing Fox "News" had to a journalist. Howard also told me about 7 years ago that there was a lot more to Tim Kaine than most people thought, too. Maybe I should trust his judgment more, and my own biases less.

OnDoutside

(19,962 posts)
90. Having just seen the replay here in Europe, yes, Chris Wallace did a fine job, he kept the debate
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 03:45 AM
Oct 2016

on track, much more so than the previous debates.

Upthevibe

(8,053 posts)
93. I have to say he was excellent and I'm not ashamed to say it! I was so very
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 04:28 AM
Oct 2016

impressed. I personally saw no bias. The questions he asked were completely appropriate for both candidates, and he was in control. I watched with a friend (who's very picky) and we both thought he was one of the best, if not the best, moderators we've ever seen-what an amazing night for liberal political geeks!

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
95. I was mildly impressed right from the first question, which was substantive.
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 06:33 AM
Oct 2016

Reminding us that he really could do the corporate journalism thing passably well, though, just makes me resent his usual propagandist role even more.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
96. I was surprised about his performance.
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 07:08 AM
Oct 2016

After he stated publicly that he wasn't going to fact check the candidates and considering he is on Fox News I thought that he would tank the debate in Trump's favor.

He was the most successful moderator in trying to get the candidates to drill down on the topics. He did call Trump out on a few things and let Trump sink himself when Trump insisted on doing so.


Even with putting out some questions that would have set up a better debater to take down Hillary nothing was going to help Trump.

Trump is truly his own worst enemy.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
97. Agree that Wallace did a good, non-Foxish job.
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 07:18 AM
Oct 2016

I had been dismayed that a Fox anchor was allowed to be a moderator by the debate commission (how low do we go?), but Wallace honored his responsibility.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
98. We forget that Ailes is no longer in charge of Fox.
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 07:36 AM
Oct 2016

Wallace may have felt that playing it straight is now the way to go.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
100. Umhm, that this performance would affect his reputation
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 07:58 AM
Oct 2016

and how he himself is portrayed in the history books, but not the outcome of the presidential election.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
104. Well, I don't think Wallace wil be in any history books, unless they are self-published
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 09:54 AM
Oct 2016

"The history of the third 2016 Presidential Debate - How a simple but proud journalist changed the face of debates forever"
By Chris Wallace

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
107. Lol. In this case, he successfully avoided having his name
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 10:18 AM
Oct 2016

mentioned for all the wrong reasons. There will be a lot of books written about, or that otherwise examine, this election in various disciplines. Plus, Fox's role as a political player is already the subject of some books.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
115. Murdoch is, and Murdoch has Ailes on retainer. He's still providing input --just from a distance.
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 01:56 PM
Oct 2016

He can't grab those women by their whatevers anymore.

FSogol

(45,491 posts)
101. Disagree. He brought up every single RW talking point/myth as if they were something that HRC had
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 08:03 AM
Oct 2016

to defend. There were no discussions of issues such as jobs (trades is a cop out), racial discrimination, the environment, education, our decaying infrastructure, the changing role of the military, consumer debt, or policing.

Wallace only looks good because Trump was so awful. He was bigly awful.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
110. I am fucking SHOCKED at the number of people who think that performance by Chris Wallace was any
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 01:15 PM
Oct 2016

shade of "good."

If you're a Democrat, and a person who believes in equality in ALL its forms, that performance was a fucking disgrace.


The privilege...it burns!!!!!

smDh!!!!!!

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
116. He created the atmosphere of a real debate, even if he slanted the questions
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 02:25 PM
Oct 2016

None of the other moderators was able to do that. Perhaps this is the case that Trump was actually polite for the first 20 minutes, thinking that he couldn't blame a Faux moderator of being in the tank for Hillary. So perhaps the other mods never had a chance, because they had to deal with the 4-year-old Trump from the very first minute of the debate.

Nobody here is saying that Wallace was objective, only that he did a pretty good job of having a debate where the contestants could actually state their views. Hillary was on fire and easily overcame any inherent bias from Wallace.

The "good moderator" is a relative thing. Imagine how it might have been if Bill O'Reilly, Bill Kristol, Krautheimer or one of those other Faux personalities had been the sole moderator.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
118. "Even if he slanted..." ??? WTF??? Why are you giving him a pass?
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 10:47 PM
Oct 2016

There is no excuse for a real "journalist" to slant ANYTHING.

He softballed Trump all night. He allowed him to interrupt THIRTY FIVE TIMES. HRC interrupted ten times--after being stepped on time and time again--and got MANSPLAINED by that hair-dyed asshole.


And with the O'Reilly/Kristol/Krautheimer shit? Are you SERIOUS????? How OFFENSIVE!

Those idiots are commentators, not reporters--but how weird that your only defense is "It could have been worse."

NO NO NO--or as Trump would say....Wrong. Wrong!!!! WRONG!!!!!!!!!!

He's either a journalist or a shill. He can't be both as one is exclusive of the other. Wallace was a shill and he merits NO praise. His daddy, he ain't, and he Never Will Be.

Your comments are supportive of a VERY LOW BAR for Trump. "He created the atmosphere of a real debate....." (atmosphere? Really? Please!) even as he fucked over Clinton with biased questions and refused to call Trump on his misbehaviors while tut-tutting HRC when she responded in kind (far fewer times, too).

She kicked his ass DESPITE these challenges.

If Trump had been faced with a left wing moderator who tossed Clinton softballs and allowed her to interrupt and mock and talk over her time, over and over again, the wingnut brigade would be demanding BLOOD. Probably from her eyes and "where evers" no doubt.


You really should recalibrate--I don't think you even SEE what you are saying, and the approach you are offering, here. Put the shoe on the other foot (OUR foot, frankly).

It's NOT acceptable to let a moderator be a sexist, wingnut asshole and insist that "It could have been worse." PFFFFFT.


It's not a good look. I think this thread is bogus praise for a LOSER moderator, frankly.

JMO, YMMV.


ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
117. Proof that two people seeing the same event "see"
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 05:42 PM
Oct 2016

different things. I admit, my expectoration was based on what Fox folks normally do, so that might tint my opinion, BUT, I thought he did a solid job, regardless of party affiliation.

Honestly, automatically sneering at them simply because Murdoch signs their paychecks is as bad as how some of their more vehement, virulent, vile, vampire-like villains vilify viewers while claiming victimhood verily, while violating voters' values.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
121. Please--this has NOTHING to do with Murdoch. Don't obfuscate like that. It's WRONG.
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 11:14 PM
Oct 2016

To quote the Donald.

This has to do with WALLACE's actions as a moderator.



He forfeited his "journalistic integrity."

Did he not let Trump repeatedly go over his time, and scold HRC for doing the same? Why yes, he did.

Did he not let Trump interrupt thirty FIVE times, and when Clinton finally responded in kind (a mere ten times), he MANSPLAINED her? Why yes, he did.

Were his questions not formulated from a wingnut perspective? Why yes, they were.

Did he not pitch the tough questions to HRC, in order to give Trump time to figure out the topic? Why yes, he did.

And did he not give both the first AND the last question to Clinton (NOT DONE if you're any good at this) , in order to make HER have to think on her feet while Trump had time to ruminate? Why yes--he DID.

Your "automatic sneering" comment is unsupported by the evidence. This is "sneering for cause" and if you can't see it, then YOU need to recalibrate. You didn't see what people who are used to getting shit on, second guessed, talked down to, treated like they are less-than, by the real "establishment" -- not the lame, fake, made-up one -- have to deal with every damn day. He was sexist, dismissive, condescending and he set a VERY low bar.

He should not be praised or enabled. He was a reliable tool of the GOP and even at that, he couldn't hand the win to the Conald.

smDh.

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