2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhen I saw Hillary in the white pantsuit......
I figured a major butt kicking was about to commence. And she did not disappoint. He recited the "She did nothing for 30 years line" one time too many as she came right back and "compared records" going back 30 years. Ouch. Embrace the nasty!
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I'm imagining Richard Nixon or Lyndon Johnson in a white pantsuit. Or even that large, church-choir white collar from the last debate stopping one of their suits.
Women have hardly any advantages in politics for sure, but being able to adopt pure, angelic colors is at least one.
Ellen Forradalom
(16,160 posts)Every Gn meeting includes a group photo of the world leaders attending. There's one with Margaret Thatcher in a blazing scarlet suit against a backdrop of forgettable grey men.
You don't have to be a fan of Maggie to appreciate that grasp of practical politics.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I suspect the much greater visibility of the red and white go a great way to offsetting the advantages on stage of Trump's height and mass. She's not tall at all 5'4" or 5'5" and he's 6'2" (claiming to be 6'3" .
TonyPDX
(962 posts)lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Hekate
(90,717 posts)relayerbob
(6,544 posts)Coventina
(27,121 posts)Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)...From George Washington in his uniform on, presidents are expected to wear somber suits, a kind of uniform, to indicate the gravity of the office and the respect they have for it. But what kind of uniform can a non-military woman wear? The pantsuit is Hillary's answer. Feminine (not a suit and tie, right?), but practical, flattering, but still maintaining that gravity and respect.
Very smart. She took a cue from Queen Elizabeth there. Wear what makes you look good, but is practical and still respects the office. A uniform that suits you and the title.
Hekate
(90,717 posts)Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)...which her opponent can't and that gives her a "huge" advantage As mentioned, no man going up against her can wear an red suit, or an all white one. So, I'll add that the suits aren't only a good, practical alternative to male power suits, they're also a way of sending a message (red for "pay attention" and "I'm no push over" and white for "I'm good and pure minded" . They make up for the advantage men have over her (usually) in height. She can't easily be ignored in such suits when on stage.
Ellen Forradalom
(16,160 posts)The pantsuits kept that line of talk at bay
Tanuki
(14,919 posts)more skin than intended when seated on a stage, getting in and out of a car, going up a flight of stairs, getting caught in a gust of wind or stepping across an air vent, etc., as would be the case if she were wearing a dress or skirt. She always looks well groomed and appropriate to the occasion.
spooky3
(34,460 posts)the shoes you can appropriately and fashionably wear with pantsuits tend to include more comfortable and foot-friendly options than those required by skirts. Those of us with arthritis or other knee or feet problems that tend to worsen with age or overuse cannot wear high heels, pointy toe boxes, etc. Someone on her feet as much as Clinton is has to put comfort above "cute" or "what fashionistas or some men might prefer."
Yet another thing that professional men do not deal with. They NEVER must choose between sensible shoes and looking appropriate at work.
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)...plus to the pantsuit. I'm sure it travels well. It can be worn in comfort for hours on a plane, yet look "presidential" as she gets photographed.
In fact, I'm sure all that traveling as Secretary of State really created the suit. She had to walk a lot over different terrain, stand a lot, travel in planes and cars and such. The suit makes all that easy (good shoes included) and still has her ready for a press conference or meeting with a head of state.
Ellen Forradalom
(16,160 posts)It's a longstanding look of hers.
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)...I'm betting the outfit will be red-white-and-blue Very tastefully so.
Jersey Devil
(9,874 posts)It was symbolic. She was claiming victory.
calimary
(81,323 posts)The front is different - lapels then, none last night. But never mind! She looked GORGEOUS! She makes really smart choices in suits. VERY executive. VERY business-like. Plain, no frippery. VERY tasteful, elegant, well-tailored, well-coordinated and accessorized. And with an eye toward what is slimming. Like the white suit on Convention night, the bright blue suit when she first announced, the red suit for the first debate against The Donald, ONE color - elongates the body, creates a solid vertical - VERY strategically smart, especially if (like me) you would prefer to deemphasize the derriere, or a figure that's less-than-hourglass.
Also, I notice she wears colored and minimally-patterned/woven tunics with black pants. Black pants minimize one's hind quarters, too.
Having had more than my share of figure flaws, I know lots of tricks for dressing deceptively to disguise or distract from the problems, and creative use of accessories to further draw the eye up-and-down instead of across, wide, and broad. It was one of my great disappointments when I was pregnant: almost ALL the available maternity wear seemed to emphasize horizontal lines and prints, patterns, or color blocks. Nothing like saying "LOOK AT MY BIG EXPLODING STOMACH, EVERYBODY!!! DON'T MISS IT!!! BLIMP ALERT!!!"
It took every bit of imagination I had, to try to get around that!
I LOVE how Hillary dresses. She's setting a great example, especially for those of us who are not a size 4 or below.
3catwoman3
(24,007 posts)...fashion no-no, pregnant or not. I think many of the designers of maternity wear are misogynists.
Hekate
(90,717 posts)I have a really different lifestyle, but I would totally wear those outfits given the chance. The only thing I'd change is accessories -- hers are minimal and non-distracting, as is appropriate for the job she's auditioning for. I have a lot of scarves I use.
calimary
(81,323 posts)When I was still working, I needed to dress for credibility. So I wore pant suits or separates like that. I had a minor "back porch" issue from which to draw the eye away. I knew what colors looked better on me, and soon came to appreciate pumps with lower heels. Love scarves, and sometimes a little "statement" jewelry (usually something I'd made), at least when it didn't interfere with my neck-ful of press passes. I remember interviewing Joan Collins during the whole "Dynasty" thing and she declared "I like to make a statement with my clothes." And Boy-Howdy did she ever! Hillary doesn't dress as flamboyant as that, but it's not her personality anyway, and it's clear she dresses for practicality as well as credibility.
I totally get how she dresses. And she always looks like a million bucks! That outfit she wore to a speech recently - black pants and what looked like a long-sleeved dark green brocade above-the-knee tunic (could have been a dress on a younger woman) - ordinarily I might not care for something like that, but on her, it looked FABULOUS! Both close up and longer view.
She looked like a million bucks last night. That ivory suit was GORGEOUS on her. I found myself thinking - "gee, she sure knows what colors work on her!" After she grew away from those awful striped pants she wore as a student (photo in her dorm room, I think?), I thought her sense of style improved dramatically! She's aging well. As someone who covered a lot of Hollywood and saw tons of facelifts, boob jobs, neck jobs, eye jobs, hair transplants, and Botox treatments, I find it really nice to see how she's embraced her age, and even seems proud of it - as she should be. She's so much better-looking now than she was as a younger woman, anyway.
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)..to brighten and spice up her pantsuits once president (knock wood). As a candidate, she is wisely making bold statements with the sleek, almost mid-century modern look of these primary color suits (I'm reminded of medieval and renaissance paintings where color was a code; same here, and there's no point in being subtle, right?). But once in office, where she doesnt' have to constantly send such bold messages and can be more herself, she might get a little more creative and playful.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)lillypaddle
(9,581 posts)spooky3
(34,460 posts)wonder if he designed this cream colored one.
On edit: he designed all three:
http://www.vogue.com/13494624/hillary-clinton-ralph-lauren-third-debate/
Ellen Forradalom
(16,160 posts)OK, I give him props for these suits
Aristus
(66,397 posts)I didn't watch the debate last night. But when I got home, my wife regaled me with highlights of the debate in which Hillary kicked Trump's ass.
She's not crazy about Hillary, but as any good-hearted, old-school, Eisenhower-style Republican should, she loathes Trump.
I'm pretty sure, although she denies it, that she's going to vote for Hillary Clinton...
woodsprite
(11,916 posts)Plus, my boss swears that when people wear red in our office it makes her feel uncomfortable. Maybe Trump felt that as well.
lillypaddle
(9,581 posts)So proud.
liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)She started being the President at the Democratic Convention.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)It would be a great fashion statement.
nolabear
(41,987 posts)She looked stunning. And I am proud of us all.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,123 posts)avebury
(10,952 posts)Debate #1 - Red Pant Suit
Debate #2 - Blue (predominately) Pant Suit
Debate #3 - White Pant Suit
Over the 3 debates she wore red, white and blue.
That shows you just how well she thought things out.
Hekate
(90,717 posts)It wasn't even 11 hours and he looked as wrung out as Trey Gowdy. Mmm-mmm.
peggysue2
(10,833 posts)Once I saw Hillary enter the facility in the white pant suit, I knew she was going for broke. Same color palette that she wore at the convention, accepting the nomination, the white of the Suffragettes and completing the color code of America: red, blue, white.
Boom! Even the fashion choices are smart and professional. She looked great, too. Rest, refreshed and not willing to give an inch.
Great night. The Donald was clearly outmatched and undone and of course, retaliated by sticking a fork in his own eye.
Amazing.
LeftRant
(524 posts)Google: "a pair of pants and a matching jacket worn by women."
But don't suits that guys wear also fit that description?
And how is this choice ever an insult?
Ellen Forradalom
(16,160 posts)Those suits were exquisitely tailored.