To try to help Trump win.

from winning had Trump- been even somewhat normal.

We'll see if she even breaks 1% anywhere for real.

So she doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell.

As does Drumpf

Frankly, I don't understand the fascination with them. With every election there will be people who don't like any major candidate. As usual they will end up voting as they wish, and many not voting at all. I hope those who do vote for Democrats because their votes do matter, but...

Far, far more millions of voters in the middle and on the right are considering

* not voting for president but voting Republican downballot
* not voting for president but voting Democrat downballot
* voting Democrat at the top and Republican downballot
* voting Democrat the whole ticket
* not voting at all

What these people do matters hugely.

Stein herself is void of common sense and logic. The people supporting her fall even lower on the intelligence curve. People that stupid can talk themselves into believing anything.

they are making a "statement"....

Infringe upon the rights of women and LGBT Americans and destroy the environment.

What about if they are in a state where one or the other candidates have a lock?

Why do so many seem to have a hard time with democracy?

Do I really wanna feel "pure" at the expense of our most vulnerable citizens? No not really.

I approach voting as a civic duty/responsibility, not as a way to pat myself on the back.

That's just how I was raised. YMMV

I don't hear anyone asking the Republicans to not field a candidate. Why pick on the Greens?

Hillary is slamming in the polls, Gary Johnson is pulling a lot of Trump votes, and there's a bunch of "whining" about Stein.

I get that Stein polling well would be awkward, considering all the popularity polls showing record lows. But she isn't polling any better than Greens have any other year. So why the hyperventilating?

I'll bet a chill-pill would be a good idea.

But agree w Bernie about third party votes this election.

Bernie Sanders: ‘This is not the time for a protest vote’
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/09/16/bernie-sanders-this-is-not-the-time-for-a-protest-vote/

...if Stein pulls a handful of percentage points in, say, CA and NY, what does it matter? HRC is double-digits over Trump in those places.

A swing state is more an issue, of course. But how many swing states will there be? The longer the campaign goes on, the more Trump craters.

In 4-race way, last Des Moines Register poll showed:

Trump 43
Clinton 39
Johnson 6
Stein 2

So kinda irritated with my state right now.

However this poll was taken 10-3 through 10-6. Hopefully your prediction about there being fewer and fewer swing states this year holds true.

How about if both Stein and Johnson bowed out. You'd get Trump. The fact that Johnson is in suggests that he could help decide the state for HRC.

It works both ways.

'Disillusioned' Bernie supporters 'protest' votes going to Johnson Trump Stein. Anecdotal of course.

At any rate as to safe states in 2016, I feel Trump needs to lose in a landslide. This shit has got to be totally repudiated.

Bury Trump in a Landslide’: Daily News goes nuclear on GOP nominee-14 chap editorial
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512533441



As before jhmo, ymmv

But we shouldn't do that via shenanigans or twisting arms. Trying to shame people into voting a given way is close to useless.

And never mind repudiating Trump...as if he's the ring leader. He is but the latest of symptoms. Bury the rePukelican party.

Let the Greens and former Sander's supporters hit the polls and vote for Stein if they want...who will not negatively impact HRC...and watch what they do down-ticket.

Never mind a landslide. Give HRC the House and Senate to work with and insulate her (us) from years of congressional inquiries you'd have to figure are being plotted as we speak.

There's enough smoke to claim fire.

Would they expect Democratic support after repeatedly lying and calling Democrats just as bad as Republicans?

I'll pick on Greens because by their actions they reveal themselves to be our enemies, not our allies.

I'm disappointed, but not surprised.

You think she's a threat. I think she isn't.

Russia, Stein, whatever. Trump is going nowhere but court.

Wait a minute, no I'm not.

...a trademark, or a tattoo.

How about GOTV for HRC? How about going into Republican areas and doing GOTV for Johnson?? He's the only threat...and it's to Trump.

Keep calm and carry on taking anything negative about Jill Stein personally for some strange reason.

You'll understand.

So the idea of you lecturing me.....

And there is a "list"?

Gee, lists aren't good.

MA Governor 2002- Failed
MA House of Representatives 2004- Failed
MA Secretary of the Commonwealth 2006- Failed
MA Governor 2010- Failed
Presidential Vanity Project 2012- Failed

Looks like she's going for the 6-peat.

Maybe your friends over at JPR can cheer you up with some fresh anti-Clinton and anti-Democrat propaganda.

she will bypass Congress and just go with Executive Actions - of course with no clue as to the limits on those. She would also just print $6 Trillion dollars to pay for her proposals, also by EA.

So we have Hillary, a stoner (not that there's anything wrong with that, but ..), Trumpfuhrer and Ms. Stalin to choose from. Hmm, tough choice

Her plans and her stated intention to use Executive Orders to enact laws and print money to pay for her wish-list, as well as complete lack of experience in anything ever remotely resembling a leadership position makes her the worst choice of the entire group, Trump included. If it was actually someone like Bernie, then that would be a valid argument. Instead, it isn't a vote for democracy, it's a vote for stupidity and pettiness.

They have to get x number of votes to be viable. If it ain't a close race in a particular state, there's no reason for concern.

Sorry, but the Green party fielded a pretty awful candidate this time out.

The GOP also has to do better to remain viable.

Not sure the Greens and Libertarians are best getting their message out using the presidential election as a platform. Use resources for state and local, and if you get a base you can take your ideas to the nation...and hopefully a good candidate.

The Dems have been stepping in their own poo left and right. Totally unnecessary. Those two DNC contractors that resigned yesterday is a case in point. Never mind O'Keefe. If it's true, they put a hurt on us. I have to look independents and Republicans in the face and tell them we're the good guys while this nonsense is going on. Pisses me off.

As to the repubs... Good for them. They deserve what they are.

She has stated that she thinks Hillary is worse than Trump. That right there is evidence of such mind-boggling ignorance and/or hubris it disqualifies Stein as competent to be president.

She's also a junk science anti vaccer and the rest of her positions are equally foolish.

I'd pretend sincere curiosity and ingenious concern is simply "having a hard time with democracy" as well.

Granted, it's a flawed inference at its best, and certainly illustrates no real valid or disciplined thought on our part, yet it certainly allows us to trivialize the concern of others, validate our own biases, and score a rhetorical point in a game we play with no one but ourselves.

Win/win.

I believe the intention is to keep one's hands "clean" of electing someone--someone who would have to govern in the real world, and therefore fall short of the ideal of world peace, 100% clean air, the total eradication of poverty, and ... blurbl.

In other words, the goal of Stein voters is to AVOID electing someone. (And, of course, for the bonus: reserving for themselves the right to criticize the election's winner of failing immediately to create world peace, 100% clean air, and ... blurbl.)

I also think it is some sort of protest vote against the two party system.

I was talking to a Stein voter and he kept trying to say that people vote for Hillary out of fear of Trump and he doesn't want to vote out of fear. He couldn't accept that I thought Hillary was the most qualified. It is true that I don't want Trump to be president. I was kind of annoyed that he kept insisting I was acting out of fear when I think I was really being logical about it. He seemed to have bought into the right wing attacks on Hillary. He didn't give me any reasons to vote for Jill Stein, only right wing attacks on Hillary. I should have told him that maybe he is voting for Stein out of fear of Hillary. It didn't occur to me in the moment.

He's projecting his own fears of inadequacy on you.

I have a couple of friends who are die-hard Stein supporters and it's the exact same thing.

... then it benefits Trump. Period.

Otherwise, it's a pure vote for stupidity

They only want to destroy what others have built because they're incapable of building anything on their own. Look at what a long-running joke the Green Party has become.

There was a coronation during this election, though, when Jill Stein became Queen of the Narcissists.

at least it's an ethos.

These two have no real detailed plans to do anything.

Not to mention some of their positions on a few issues are idiotic.


So, if they would have put up candidates that were as intelligent and knowledgeable as Hillary or Bernie, then at least they would have some credibility with me.

However, Johnson and Stein.... NO.

They teach America a lesson...just like Nader voters did in 2000....these are hateful voters putting ego before our country and our kids futures....

probably don't have a really firm grasp on exactly how the government works. (Neither does Donald Trump, not to mention many of his supporters, but that's a post for another thread.)

I don't seem to know anyone who is planning to vote for either Stein or Johnson, but I think those voters need to be reminded that if by some bizarre turn of events either one of them were elected, the initial problem would be that they would have absolutely no one of their political party in either the House or the Senate. They would have almost no way of getting any legislation passed.

Stein would also have zero connections to be able to appoint cabinet members who could function adequately. Johnson might be marginally better off in that area, as he was a governor, but he's been out of the political scene ever since 2003.

Another thing that is crazy-making about the so called third party candidacies is that those parties make just about zero effort to elect anyone at a lower level. Those who honestly support any of the third parties ought to get involved in a grassroots way. Run for your state legislature, or city council, or county commissioner. Start actually building a party.

They serve the greater cause of world stupidity.

They want to say, "See you dummies don't have the sense to vote for MY candidate. I'm smarter than you." They don't care if they win or lose, in fact losing makes them feel more superior.

Wolf

You make a valid point.

She said she couldn't bring herself to vote for Hillary but was glad I was so somehow that made her feel safer...i know I am CA but I told her we can't take a chance Trump could get in.

At this point people are pretty decided.

Like Nader's fans did.

election has made that more or less disappear. They are just unreliable people with very poor judgement. They will never advance any progressive agenda because you have to be able to think strategically to do so. They aren't capable of doing so and should be written off as forever useless.

are voting for her say. The Republican party seems to be dying and this country will need another party and it should be one on the left.

for Stein and THEY feel that the Democrats are moderates and the repubs are way far to the right.

It's difficult to predict what will happen with the GOP, but it sure is fun to watch them implode.

This is the Green Party's huge flaw. It caters to slacktivists and protest-voters and attention-seekers pandering to those types rather than focusing on local races and the ground game in areas like urban California where they have a chance at picking up local and state offices.