2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumInteresting Pic - Trump & Hillary Pray with Cardinal Last Night...
Got this in the email from People mag with the headline "Cardinal Timothy Dolan Reveals He Made Trump and Clinton Pray Together Before Charity Dinner ."
What struck me is how everyone has their heads down and eyes closed in prayer -- except for Mr. T. Wonder if he was like this for the whole prayer...
Here's the email headline & link to a story and video.
Cardinal Timothy Dolan Reveals He Made Trump and Clinton Pray Together Before Charity Dinner
http://people.com/politics/cardinal-timothy-dolan-hillary-clinton-donald-trump/?xid=email-peopledaily-20161021AM-tout1
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)Of everyone in that room...he needs Jesus the most, lol.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,706 posts)He is probably annoyed because all the others are praising God and Jesus and not him. But with cameras everywhere you'd think he'd at least have the sense to pretend to be praying, you know, just for the optics.
True Dough
(17,305 posts)book_worm
(15,951 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)Frankly, I would not pray, either. But this pic might not play well with the GOP theocrats.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)if I'm in a situation where people are praying. That's their fantasy, not mine.
who cares what people look like during story time?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... I'll see someone else doing the same. When our eyes meet, we nod "hello", smile and silently acknowledge our sameness.
trof
(54,256 posts)Usually when I'm 'subjected to prayer' I'm with my wife (devout) at some gathering.
Her church folks are nice people (Libs, most of them) and I don't need to be in their face about my beliefs.
That's just me.
Hekate
(90,692 posts)...this bit to be over, so he can make it about him again.
He arrived angry. Simple gestures like putting his napkin beside his plate were infused with rage.
Bad Thoughts
(2,524 posts)Does it mean you are praying hard enough?
Siwsan
(26,263 posts)Bad Thoughts
(2,524 posts)Is this going to be the next lapel pin?
Merlot
(9,696 posts)the hypocrocy of someone who claims to be religious but doesn't pray when everyone else does.
People who aren't religious don't close their eyes or bow their heads.
watrwefitinfor
(1,399 posts)When I find myself in these circumstances I always bow my head a little in respect to the people around me, but keep my eyes open so I can identify kindred spirits.
Wat
Edited to say I don't believe that's what Donald is doing.
Mariana
(14,857 posts)Oh, right, no one. Pointing out that he isn't bowing head and closing eyes is not the same as demanding he do those things.
Buns_of_Fire
(17,180 posts)while everyone else's eyes are closed, he's checking out Maria Bartiromo's cleavage for some possible future grope action. Probably the latter.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)How about we stop using whether he is really religious as a reason to dislike him.
Even if he is an atheist is that a bad thing? And do you really believe every atheist politician is out? This is just ridiculous.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)to think he's an instrument of God.
When, it's Mammon he worships.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)Many of the Democrats. There is no frickin' way the statistics we know about how many atheists there are in the country are completely off with politicians. There are atheist politicians that pretend to be religious so they can get elected. Perhaps he's another one.
Things like this just help reinforce religious privilege.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)with some kind of Messiah complex?
LeftRant
(524 posts)His favorite book is the bible though!
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/18/politics/trump-has-never-sought-forgiveness/
getagrip_already
(14,752 posts)I ccan just hear alec baldwin saying it as I type......
SamKnause
(13,107 posts)I don't close my eyes.
I am an Atheist.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,706 posts)Trump claims to be religious and he courts the votes of religious people. The Al Smith Dinner is a charitable event sponsored by the Catholic Church; when Catholics and most other Christians pray they bow their heads and close their eyes. If Trump wants to be regarded as Christian for the purpose of attracting the votes of Christians it's just surprising that he didn't at least go through the motions. My guess is either that he's had so little exposure to any kind of church that he doesn't even know the protocol, or else that he thinks he's above all that prayer stuff.
SamKnause
(13,107 posts)tblue37
(65,371 posts)around you are religious and you are in a situation where prayer is important to them. It doesn't hurt your atheism to just bow your head respectfully. And since Trump is the candidate of the religious right and claims to be religious, too, his hypocrisy really should be called out.
SamKnause
(13,107 posts)I think it is disrespectful when family or guest pray in my house.
They know I am an Atheist.
My mother is holding out that I will come around.
I don't attend any religious functions.
It would be respectful if I bowed my head in a church, but I don't
attend any church.
That is why I don't put myself in those situations.
I wish people would keep their religion in their homes, their place of worship,
and their private institutions.
I will not give validation to any religion or god.
Have a great weekend.
tblue37
(65,371 posts)where I know prayer is likely.
In Trump's situation here, he was at a dinner with many priests and a lot of religious nonpriests, and the purpose of the dinner was to raise money for Catholic charities, so prayer was certainly bound to occur.
SamKnause
(13,107 posts)Also, it is very hypocritical of him to pretend to be religious
and say the bible is his favorite book.
I don't think he has a religious bone in his body.
He worships The Donald, power, and money.
yortsed snacilbuper
(7,939 posts)be careful what you pray for.
tblue37
(65,371 posts)politics. However, since Trump has become the standard bearer for the religious rightwing fundamentalists, this image of him not praying should be shoved down their throats.
When I visit friends or family, like my Sicilian extended family, who are very religious, I always bow my had when they say a prayer--at dinner or for any other reason. It is just good manners, a matter of respecting something that is very important to them.
Since the occasion for this dinner had such a strong religious component to it, and since everyone else was bowing their heads, it was seriously bad manners for Trump to do this.
keithbvadu2
(36,809 posts)Trump is just looking for the delivery boy with the little wine and little cracker.
Like today's evangelical supporters, Trump is a Political Christian, not a Christian of faith.
The Donald who does not have to ask God for forgiveness.
Trump: Drink my little wine, have my little cracker
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2015/08/13/donald-trump-religion-serfaty-dnt-erin.cnn