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excringency

(105 posts)
Fri Oct 21, 2016, 03:02 PM Oct 2016

The New Myth of the Lost Cause

*Hillary wouldn't have beaten a real Republican.

*Donald Trump was an aberration, he only happened because he capitalized on support from the misinformed angry voter.

*Trump is a unique exception with negatives that doomed the Republican Party.

*The South was also doomed from the start by the superior forces of the North.

*The Confederacy fought a heroic battle in defense of state's rights.

*The South waged an honorable struggle against a War of Northern Aggression.

C'mon, all y'all Southern Republicans need to take the lead in creating a new "lost cause" myth on behalf of your party and your Northern counterparts. Y'all have had over 150 years of practice. The leadership of the Confederacy began to craft and promote that myth well before Appomattox once they saw the writing on the wall. Trump represents exactly what the current state of the Republican Party is. I will not accept the myths being spun by the Right and Republican party elites.

(Oh, and before some pedant-hole responds with "most of the Confederacy were Democrats, Derp," please Google the historical past history of the Democratic and Republican Parties from then until now)

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The New Myth of the Lost Cause (Original Post) excringency Oct 2016 OP
Dolchstoßlegende to me is closely related steve2470 Oct 2016 #1
The Wicked Witch Won Because Donald Didn't Have Jay-Z-us in his heart Vogon_Glory Oct 2016 #2
For a second, I thought you'd written"because Donald didn't have Jay-Z in his heart". Ken Burch Oct 2016 #4
me too!! Grey Lemercier Oct 2016 #5
And of course "the civilians stabbed us in the back in Vietnam(and at Versailles)." Ken Burch Oct 2016 #3

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
1. Dolchstoßlegende to me is closely related
Fri Oct 21, 2016, 03:07 PM
Oct 2016
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stab-in-the-back_myth

The stab-in-the-back myth (German: Dolchstoßlegende, pronounced [ˈdɔlçʃtoːsleˌɡɛndə] ( listen))[1] was the notion, widely believed in right-wing circles in Germany after 1918, that the German Army did not lose World War I but was instead betrayed by the civilians on the home front, especially the republicans who overthrew the monarchy in the German Revolution of 1918–19. Advocates denounced the German government leaders who signed the Armistice on November 11, 1918, as the "November Criminals" (German: November­verbrecher).

An illustration from a 1919 Austrian postcard showing a caricatured Jew stabbing the German Army in the back with a dagger. The capitulation was blamed upon the unpatriotic populace, the Socialists, Bolsheviks, the Weimar Republic, and especially the Jews.
When the Nazis came to power in 1933, they made the legend an integral part of their official history of the 1920s, portraying the Weimar Republic as the work of the "November criminals" who used the stab in the back to seize power while betraying the nation. The Nazi propaganda depicted Weimar as "a morass of corruption, degeneracy, national humiliation, ruthless persecution of the honest 'national opposition'—fourteen years of rule by Jews, Marxists, and 'cultural Bolsheviks', who had at last been swept away by the National Socialist movement under Adolf Hitler and the victory of the 'national revolution' of 1933".[2]

A 1924 right-wing German political cartoon showing Philipp Scheidemann, the German Social Democratic politician who proclaimed the Weimar Republic and was its second Chancellor, and Matthias Erzberger, an anti-war politician from the Centre Party, who ended WWI by signing the armistice with the Allies, as stabbing the German Army in the back.

Scholars inside and outside Germany unanimously reject the notion, pointing out the German army was out of reserves and was being overwhelmed in late 1918.[3] To many Germans, the expression "stab in the back" was evocative of Richard Wagner's 1876 opera Götterdämmerung, in which Hagen murders his enemy Siegfried with a spear in his back.

Vogon_Glory

(9,118 posts)
2. The Wicked Witch Won Because Donald Didn't Have Jay-Z-us in his heart
Fri Oct 21, 2016, 03:15 PM
Oct 2016

The wicked Hillary won and the forces of Say-ton triumphed because Donald what's-his-name didn't take Jay-z-us into his heart to fight the cause of darkness (I live in the Bible Belt and expect that particular "lost cause" apologia to have plenty of air-play in the very near future). That Hillary Clinton is a devout, church-going Methodist and that the leaders of the Religious Right supped with Mammon will be oh-so-conveniently ignored.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
4. For a second, I thought you'd written"because Donald didn't have Jay-Z in his heart".
Fri Oct 21, 2016, 04:20 PM
Oct 2016

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