2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI'd like your input Re: Republican elected officials and Party silence on Trump's
election result tactics. Specifically, his refusal to accept the outcome unless he wins combined with inciting violence in those people who choose to support him. One thread here this morning has an article where Ken Burns calls Trump's maneuvers "right out of the playbook of the National Socialist Party in Germany."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512535647
In another thread, Nancy Pelosi says "silence is complicity" describing Republican elected officials going along with what Trump is saying rather than condemning Trumps remarks outright and publicly.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512535460
Then, in the last couple of days I watched the Keith O. video where Keith makes an intelligent, passionate argument that the Republican Party is "compelled" to denounce Trump now or go down with him. One thing I got from this video is the question of what responsibility does the Republican Party have, and this especially includes Republican elected officials in the House and Senate as well as at other levels too, to the United States of America?
Or, to put it another way, what is the obligation of the Republican Party - and the people representing said Party especially those who hold a political office - to the Country? To our Democratic process? To our Constitution? Our historical traditions? To the American people? And, more importantly, if the Republican Party and these Republican officials remain silent now what consequences might there be for this inaction? And, just to add another layer here, what about the catch 22 place these Republican officials and leaders have put themselves in IF they do speak out? The personal political consequences for doing the right thing by the county and the people? Clearly they have put themselves in a bind here. And, what if, the shoe was on the other foot, and this was the Democrats and our Party (which thankfully is not the case)?
Link to Keith's video
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=407135
LuvLoogie
(7,014 posts)All that matters is for Democrats and liberals to vote in enough numbers to sweep out the GOP and make what they say and do irrelevant. They don't denounce Trump because the Deplorables will come to them eventually. Trump is the Republican candidate. The GOP won't change until they are absolutely powerless. And Democrats won't become powerful unless they take it.
I don't care anymore what the GOP says and does. Fuck them. I care what Democrats say and do.
AmericanActivist
(1,019 posts)I believe the real problem is the divide we have among American people today. Also, the intent of my question is about each political party's obligation to the country and to the people. I respect your right to the opinion you stated and after everything that has transpired I understand where you are coming from. Yet, how can all of us, every American get beyond our anger and our judgment in order to do what is best for the country?
AmericanActivist
(1,019 posts)and balances. The article stated that Republicans have accepted the idea of a Clinton victory and are stressing how important checks and balances will be.
Imagine that! The Party that has obstructed everything. The Party of "NO" now wants to talk about checks and balances. Interesting. And what is more interesting is what will happen if Republicans lose their majority positions. What will they do then? And more importantly, what will Democrats do not to fall into the same abuse of power trap?
AmericanActivist
(1,019 posts)AmericanActivist
(1,019 posts)okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)loyalty to party or actions on behalf of same.
There aren't any laws requiring politicians to endorse politicians or warn voters of an evil candidate's intentions. If the current GOP leadership and politicians refuse to denounce Trump there is nothing that can be done except at the ballot box. The system was designed so that most decisions would be made at the ballot box rather than through legislation.
What we CAN do is try to force Republicans to take a public stand on Trump. Endorse or denounce. In or out. Republicans are trying to have it both ways. They need the Trump supporters to be reelected, but they don't want the stink he brings with him. KO and others are trying to force Republicans into making public their opinions on Trump because either way it hurts them.
AmericanActivist
(1,019 posts)about Republicans wanting to have things both ways. I think staying silent and not denouncing Donald will hurt them and speaking out and denouncing Donald would hurt them too. A catch 22 that they created for themselves. A no win situation. Especially now with things looking very bad for Donald and the Republican down ballot candidates.
mercuryblues
(14,536 posts)the republicons own trump's mess lock, stock and barrel. They are 100% morally responsible for him and his followers. it matters not if they condemn him, stay silent or support him, he IS their monster.
They have cultivated their voters to think trump is their man. Trump does not hold any positions that any of the R candidates and their voters don't agree with. He just refuses to say welfare queen and says what they all think when they hear that term: lazy blacks.
They can give 2 shits about ISIS, they just want to " bomb, bomb, bomb........ bomb, bomb Iran"
The ungrateful little fuckers claim they hate Obama because of the economy. Conveniently forgetting where we were when he 1st took office and the unprecedented amount of R filibusters when the Democrats had Congress. When the R's gained control they refused to bring any bill up that would help the economy. So yes it boils down to a black person is President. The R's encouraged the teabaggers, the alt right, the militia and everything else to join them.
They can not claim they bear no responsibility for their mess. But as usual, women and Democrats will bail the ungrateful asses out and vote for Clinton.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)If they don't think of the bills, they hope the bills will just go away!
Not very grown-up, but there you have it! Shows they have poor character and are very weak.
duncang
(1,907 posts)A few pulled back their endorsements but that was only when they thought he would affect their present or future races. So they were just opportunistic spineless worms. Loyalty to the gop was never a issue for them. It was all self serving bs from the start.