2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum***New AP national poll HRC +13***
http://ap-gfkpoll.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/October-2016-AP-GfK-Poll-Topline_Campaign.pdfLooks like an online poll. please correct me if I'm wrong.
Joe941
(2,848 posts)vdogg
(1,384 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)I don't think that qualifies as a month old?
vdogg
(1,384 posts)I swear it said September 20-24 when I clicked on it.
VMA131Marine
(4,149 posts)It is a new poll!
triron
(22,023 posts)thanks
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)Thought I was going crazy.
Fahrenthold451
(436 posts)chillfactor
(7,584 posts)getagrip_already
(14,838 posts)of the way congress is doing its job.
hmmm.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)getagrip_already
(14,838 posts)Overall, do you approve, disapprove, or neither approve nor disapprove of the way Congress is handling its job.
So they are blaming the house and senate.
They also asked who should control the new congress: d 44/r 39
Old and In the Way
(37,540 posts)It's always "Congress". How about doing a Congressional poll that asks by Party? And Republicans should be noted as the majority Party, Democrats as the minority. That might start giving Republicans pause about their plans to investigate Clinton. At least the polling over time might begin to get these losers to do the business of passing legislation that the vast majority want them to do.
getagrip_already
(14,838 posts)It's just getting at the phantom generic preference. ask it any way you want, 12% is damning for a party that controls congress.
It could be zero though. And it can be worded any way you want.
It won't move the republican needle until they have the minority leader position.
period.
just saying.
Old and In the Way
(37,540 posts)Congress is a generic term that implies the voters feel the same about both Parties performance. Only 1 Party gets to set the agenda in Congress and that is the Party in majority. Asking the voter a generic question like House and Senate gives cover to Republican malfeasance and allows the narrative to be b0th parties are failing the Amer8can taxpayer. The truth couldn't be more obvious. You and I and most DUdes follow this stuff on a daily bas, but a significant majority of voters don't.
getagrip_already
(14,838 posts)Asked which party they would prefer control Congress.
Dems won that one also.
But it won't move the repugs needle of concern until they lose. Until then, it's just noise.
Old and In the Way
(37,540 posts)It is not "Congress", but the individual parties. By masking the real issue of who is to blame for crappy governance in our Federal Government, we cannot expect the casual political observer to know who is to blame for the complete breakdown of the House and Senate in doing their job.
Start asking a simple question. Do you blame House/Senate Republicans or Democrats for the problems in Washington. Let's start measuring both Parties performance. It is NOT Congress...it is a Party issue that is creating a lack of getting anything done.
getagrip_already
(14,838 posts)so if they ask the question "If you don't believe that congress is working, which party do you blame".. or something to that effect
It breaks down roughly along party lines. Self identified republicans simply won't say it is the republicans fault.
So it doesn't tell us much. But they will say if they don't believe the congress is working, which leads to sentiment for change.
Old and In the Way
(37,540 posts)You don't get my point and I really don't give a shit that you don't.
Ilsa
(61,698 posts)Are the polls being manipulated to tighten up to turn it into a watchable race after several weeks of "Hillary has it in the bag"?
Foggyhill
(1,060 posts)That means if it's close one poll does not tell you much
Better to look at many polls
Doubt Nevada is going For Trump
Ilsa
(61,698 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)that showed the race tightening and neck & neck a month or so back
getagrip_already
(14,838 posts)the polls know they have inherent biases, but nobody wants to be the pollster that ends up 8 points out. So they all tend to converge in the last two weeks, which happens to be the window that poll watchers use to grade pollsters after the election.
Pollsters with a good grade get more work. Nobody remembers Quinipiac had a +4 R lean for 15 months, only to end up within 2 points of the the pack at the end.
They don't care about being right as much as they care about not being an outlier at the end.
duffyduff
(3,251 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,118 posts)I see +15 not 13.
triron
(22,023 posts)+13 head to head.
OnDoutside
(19,974 posts)Dem2
(8,168 posts)I like that 51% number in a 4-way race