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***New AP national poll HRC +13*** (Original Post) triron Oct 2016 OP
This is a good result. Can't wait for election day! Joe941 Oct 2016 #1
This poll is over a month old... vdogg Oct 2016 #2
It says survey was conducted Oct 20-24? NewJeffCT Oct 2016 #3
Did the link change? vdogg Oct 2016 #18
Survey dates are Oct 20-24. VMA131Marine Oct 2016 #4
just about to post this. triron Oct 2016 #5
No, that was the other one that was just posted. This looks like the correction. RBInMaine Oct 2016 #9
Oh, ok. vdogg Oct 2016 #19
Praise be to all that is holy and noble Fahrenthold451 Oct 2016 #6
keeping my fingers crossed...n/t chillfactor Oct 2016 #7
only 12% approve... getagrip_already Oct 2016 #8
Obama is approved by 55% in this poll, so who are the folks blaming? Fred Sanders Oct 2016 #10
the question was specific to congress..... getagrip_already Oct 2016 #14
This question pisses me off. Old and In the Way Oct 2016 #21
the question is just a question.... getagrip_already Oct 2016 #22
I disagree. Old and In the Way Oct 2016 #25
and a follow up question getagrip_already Oct 2016 #26
It is noise because the wrong polling questions are asked. Old and In the Way Oct 2016 #27
maybe, but it has been tried.... getagrip_already Oct 2016 #28
Whar the fuck ever. Old and In the Way Oct 2016 #30
NBC Marist poll has trump & Clinton tied in Nevada. Ilsa Oct 2016 #11
State polls part of national polls have big margins of error Foggyhill Oct 2016 #15
And I was wrong... they are tied... correcting it... nt Ilsa Oct 2016 #17
Even Chuck Todd mentioned that he questioned a lot of the polling methodologies NewJeffCT Oct 2016 #20
polls always "converge" as election day approaches. getagrip_already Oct 2016 #23
She won't lose Nevada. n/t duffyduff Oct 2016 #31
+15 Johnny2X2X Oct 2016 #12
And it's +15 (4 way) triron Oct 2016 #13
Fantastic regardless. OnDoutside Oct 2016 #16
BTW, she's up 14 - 51% to 37% - see pg 9 of PDF Dem2 Oct 2016 #24
K & R Coyotl Oct 2016 #29

getagrip_already

(14,838 posts)
14. the question was specific to congress.....
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 05:08 PM
Oct 2016
Overall, do you approve, disapprove, or neither approve nor disapprove of the way Congress is handling its job.


So they are blaming the house and senate.

They also asked who should control the new congress: d 44/r 39

Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
21. This question pisses me off.
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 07:03 PM
Oct 2016

It's always "Congress". How about doing a Congressional poll that asks by Party? And Republicans should be noted as the majority Party, Democrats as the minority. That might start giving Republicans pause about their plans to investigate Clinton. At least the polling over time might begin to get these losers to do the business of passing legislation that the vast majority want them to do.

getagrip_already

(14,838 posts)
22. the question is just a question....
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 07:09 PM
Oct 2016

It's just getting at the phantom generic preference. ask it any way you want, 12% is damning for a party that controls congress.

It could be zero though. And it can be worded any way you want.

It won't move the republican needle until they have the minority leader position.

period.

just saying.

Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
25. I disagree.
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 07:40 PM
Oct 2016

Congress is a generic term that implies the voters feel the same about both Parties performance. Only 1 Party gets to set the agenda in Congress and that is the Party in majority. Asking the voter a generic question like House and Senate gives cover to Republican malfeasance and allows the narrative to be b0th parties are failing the Amer8can taxpayer. The truth couldn't be more obvious. You and I and most DUdes follow this stuff on a daily bas, but a significant majority of voters don't.

getagrip_already

(14,838 posts)
26. and a follow up question
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 08:40 PM
Oct 2016

Asked which party they would prefer control Congress.

Dems won that one also.

But it won't move the repugs needle of concern until they lose. Until then, it's just noise.

Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
27. It is noise because the wrong polling questions are asked.
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 10:49 PM
Oct 2016

It is not "Congress", but the individual parties. By masking the real issue of who is to blame for crappy governance in our Federal Government, we cannot expect the casual political observer to know who is to blame for the complete breakdown of the House and Senate in doing their job.

Start asking a simple question. Do you blame House/Senate Republicans or Democrats for the problems in Washington. Let's start measuring both Parties performance. It is NOT Congress...it is a Party issue that is creating a lack of getting anything done.

getagrip_already

(14,838 posts)
28. maybe, but it has been tried....
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 10:10 AM
Oct 2016

so if they ask the question "If you don't believe that congress is working, which party do you blame".. or something to that effect

It breaks down roughly along party lines. Self identified republicans simply won't say it is the republicans fault.

So it doesn't tell us much. But they will say if they don't believe the congress is working, which leads to sentiment for change.

Ilsa

(61,698 posts)
11. NBC Marist poll has trump & Clinton tied in Nevada.
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 05:06 PM
Oct 2016

Are the polls being manipulated to tighten up to turn it into a watchable race after several weeks of "Hillary has it in the bag"?

Foggyhill

(1,060 posts)
15. State polls part of national polls have big margins of error
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 05:15 PM
Oct 2016

That means if it's close one poll does not tell you much
Better to look at many polls
Doubt Nevada is going For Trump

NewJeffCT

(56,829 posts)
20. Even Chuck Todd mentioned that he questioned a lot of the polling methodologies
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 06:40 PM
Oct 2016

that showed the race tightening and neck & neck a month or so back

getagrip_already

(14,838 posts)
23. polls always "converge" as election day approaches.
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 07:13 PM
Oct 2016

the polls know they have inherent biases, but nobody wants to be the pollster that ends up 8 points out. So they all tend to converge in the last two weeks, which happens to be the window that poll watchers use to grade pollsters after the election.

Pollsters with a good grade get more work. Nobody remembers Quinipiac had a +4 R lean for 15 months, only to end up within 2 points of the the pack at the end.

They don't care about being right as much as they care about not being an outlier at the end.

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