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aaaaaa5a

(4,667 posts)
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 09:30 AM Oct 2016

****IBD/TPP Poll HRC+3****

http://www.investors.com/politics/clinton-extends-lead-over-trump-to-3-points-and-99-million-ibdtipp-poll/

This has been the conservatives favorite poll for months. It has been promoted as the most accurate poll of the 2012 race.

Their new number today:

HRC 44
Trump 41

All of the polls are moving in the same direction with HRC leading from 3-7 points Nationally. HRC is in a commanding position heading into the last week of the campaign.
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****IBD/TPP Poll HRC+3**** (Original Post) aaaaaa5a Oct 2016 OP
Great Stuff Farmgirl1961 Oct 2016 #1
Then don't look Loki Liesmith Oct 2016 #2
I kind of can't help myself.... Farmgirl1961 Oct 2016 #4
Nate intentionally built his model to overreact to changes Loki Liesmith Oct 2016 #8
Yeah, but.... as far as I can see, the only state that has... LAS14 Oct 2016 #10
Big drop was actually due to MO poll yesterday Loki Liesmith Oct 2016 #11
Thanks for that information - Farmgirl1961 Oct 2016 #13
Frankly I expect to see 538 in the low 70s by election day Loki Liesmith Oct 2016 #14
okay -- thanks for that reality check Farmgirl1961 Oct 2016 #15
Stupid flawed biased poll. DCBob Oct 2016 #3
Agreed. This is why sometimes I think aaaaaa5a Oct 2016 #6
Exactly. DCBob Oct 2016 #12
Rasmussen has Clinton +2 in their National poll today. They all do the same thing every year. nt aaaaaa5a Nov 2016 #16
Poll herding Loki Liesmith Oct 2016 #9
538 says add about a point to that lead Blue Idaho Oct 2016 #5
This has been very favorable to Don the Con Roland99 Oct 2016 #7

Farmgirl1961

(1,494 posts)
4. I kind of can't help myself....
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 10:26 AM
Oct 2016

but you're right, I should just ignore it all...but I'd like to know what the "real" polls are looking like and better understand why Nat's 538 in general seem so much lower than any other site.

Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
8. Nate intentionally built his model to overreact to changes
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 10:44 AM
Oct 2016

Because his predictions in the primary went so spectacularly wrong. He had trump <10% likelihod to win the nomination.

So he changed his model to react to every poll that comes in. Others don't so much.

LAS14

(13,783 posts)
10. Yeah, but.... as far as I can see, the only state that has...
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 11:06 AM
Oct 2016

... flipped from light blue to light pink is Arizona. Would it account for the drop in % likelihood to win?

Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
11. Big drop was actually due to MO poll yesterday
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 11:16 AM
Oct 2016

All his states have correlations built into them. So if some states are strongly correlated to movements in MO, then their margins will slightly decrease too. This has a significant effect across many states.

Farmgirl1961

(1,494 posts)
13. Thanks for that information -
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 11:29 AM
Oct 2016

Any thoughts on how you think the 538 numbers will move (a little more toward Trump? a little more for Hillary?) based on state polling numbers?

Farmgirl1961

(1,494 posts)
15. okay -- thanks for that reality check
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 11:40 AM
Oct 2016

so if/when it happens I won't be in total freak out mode! What about other models (i.e., Sam Wang)? Thoughts on where you think they might land?

Also -- any ideas on how early voting may or may not impact the models? When state polls are gathered, at this point, are they still going for "who are you likely to vote for?" versus "Have you voted and if so, who have you voted for?"

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
3. Stupid flawed biased poll.
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 10:22 AM
Oct 2016

I think they are finally revising their biased methodology so they fit closer to the real numbers.

aaaaaa5a

(4,667 posts)
6. Agreed. This is why sometimes I think
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 10:37 AM
Oct 2016

Assessing polls by their final numbers only is BS.

If your polls were off for the entire election and the at the last second they make a "market adjustment" so they can be credited with scoring the race correctly well... that shouldn't count.

I've noticed over the last 2 Presidential cycles, conservative polls do this frequently.

There is no way this poll was a correct analysis of the race, and now at the end, they are lining up to get another good rating.

Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
9. Poll herding
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 10:49 AM
Oct 2016

usually this works by polling companies getting skittish about releasing numbers they think are outliers. With tracking polls, that's difficult because they have to release one every day.

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