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Fox News commentator Suzanne Venker has an opinion of Fox Nation discussing the "The War On Men."
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/11/24/war-on-men/#ixzz2DM28ijlI
Just in case it gets deleted, here are excerpts of the opinion on a Maddow Blog post:
http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/11/26/15458878-all-they-have-to-do-is-surrender-to-their-nature
In a nutshell, women are angry. Theyre also defensive, though often unknowingly. Thats because theyve been raised to think of men as the enemy. Armed with this new attitude, women pushed men off their pedestal (women had their own pedestal, but feminists convinced them otherwise) and climbed up to take what they were taught to believe was rightfully theirs.
Now the men have nowhere to go. It is precisely this dynamic women good/men bad that has destroyed the relationship between the sexes. Yet somehow, men are still to blame when love goes awry. Heck, men have been to blame since feminists first took to the streets in the 1970s. But what if the dearth of good men, and ongoing battle of the sexes, is hold on to your seats womens fault?
Also:
Contrary to what feminists like Hanna Rosin, author of The End of Men, say, the so-called rise of women has not threatened men. It has p***ed them off. It has also undermined their ability to become self-sufficient in the hopes of someday supporting a family. Men want to love women, not compete with them. They want to provide for and protect their families its in their DNA. But modern women wont let them... Its the women who lose. Not only are they saddled with the consequences of sex, by dismissing male nature theyre forever seeking a balanced life. The fact is, women need mens linear career goals they need men to pick up the slack at the office in order to live the balanced life they seek. So if men today are slackers, and if theyre retreating from marriage en masse, women should look in the mirror and ask themselves what role theyve played to bring about this transformation. Fortunately, there is good news: women have the power to turn everything around. All they have to do is surrender to their nature their femininity and let men surrender to theirs. If they do, marriageable men will come out of the woodwork.
mzteris
(16,232 posts)A real live neanderthal female!
(My apologies to neanderthal's - in this context it is being used purely as symbolic of someone so outdated and out of touch as to be (or should be) extinct.
I wish Rachel would have that self-loathing twit on her show so could make mincemeat of her.
(Unfortunately, there seem to be a whole lot of self-proclaimed liberals who also inaccurately embrace the notion that there is something inherently wrong with "feminists". Sad, that.)
Springslips
(533 posts)I don't think there isn't anything inherently wrong with feminist, it is just a small few feminists that make me put out my arms and say "wow, that's crazy."
Then again, there's many things some men say about gender that makes me put out my arms and say, "wow, that's crazy."
Venker also sound crazy as hell here. The. Again, it's Fox.
mzteris
(16,232 posts)instead of attributing it to a "feminist" put it down to "that person".
And yeah, some people think any and all feminists have something inherently wrong with them.
That we're all men haters.
That we're all frigid and/or HATE - gasp - sex!
That we're these dried up old prunes with no sense of humour or desire or love or anything.
Truth is - we're all ages and all race/creed/color/religion (or none)/sexual orientation, etc. . . Some are married some not some have children and grandchildren. Some love men some love other women. some LOVE LOVE LOVE S-E-X (you know the consensual kind).
But most of all - we're women who refuse to be "less than" just because we're females and we will fight for equality and the elimination of discrimination whenever and wherever it's found. Even here on DU. which is really sad that it should be HERE of all places.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)what she's getting at--but it's probably not something good.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)Women should "graciously submit" to their husband's leadership. I think that is what is meant.
mzteris
(16,232 posts)they want them wimmens to submit to.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)So if men today are slackers, and if theyre retreating from marriage en masse, women should look in the mirror and ask themselves what role theyve played to bring about this transformation. Fortunately, there is good news: women have the power to turn everything around. All they have to do is surrender to their nature their femininity and let men surrender to theirs. If they do, marriageable men will come out of the woodwork.
Hekate
(90,859 posts)... I do not know.
FOX breeds a very strange species of female.
UCmeNdc
(9,601 posts)There was a time when people took Fox propaganda seriously. That train has left the station.
though i'm not sure if they ever "had" their way..
union_maid
(3,502 posts)There were men who were pissed off by the women's movement. In 1972. Some are over it, some are dead. Some are hunkered down listening to Rush and watching Fox. None are of what's generally thought of as marriageable age.
But you know what? Even then, in the real world - not TV or movies - there was one sentence I never heard from these pissed off guys: "No wife of mine will ever work." To a man, everyone I knew who was working or on the modest side of middle class fully expected that when the kids were old enough, wife would work outside the home, regardless of whether they wanted a partner or subordinate in a spouse.
In my son's generation, none of this seems to be an issue at all. You must have to dive deep into the gene pool to find the men this writer claims to be referencing.
quaker bill
(8,225 posts)She sees the fact that it has become "not an issue" as un-natural. Once women got control of their uterus they became enabled to take on this "un-natural" role. Many young women like having control over their uterus and their career / financial destiny. Young college educated women in the workforce voted for Obama in large numbers. She seems to think if they were behaving "naturally', they would be married, barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen and be letting their husband take care of that "silly voting stuff".
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)union_maid
(3,502 posts)But this article seems to be referencing women who want to get married and have a family and so forth. The men I'm talking about who were so opposed to feminism in the 70's would be anywhere from mid-sixties to the far side of 80 now, I'd figure. Not optimal for starting a family by and large. There are, of course, exceptions to everything. Superman comes to mind.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)That putrid corpse was buried 50 years ago! Even the flies aren't buzzing around it anymore.
yellowcanine
(35,702 posts)Huh, not that long ago this was called "fear of commitment" and rightfully so. Besides, why do I suspect that these are some of the same men who are signing up for mail order brides from Asia? It is not that they don't want to get married, it is that they do not know how to relate to women in their own culture so they are looking for a woman from a culture where women are more "submissive."
treestar
(82,383 posts)over her. They're using the fact people want to get out of those countries. Russia was a big one, too.
yellowcanine
(35,702 posts)probably women trying to get away from the norms of their culture. So I suspect some of these men get what they deserve - an empowered woman who ditches them the first chance they get.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)Sadly, I hear this a lot from frustrated RW men in their 30s and 40s, blaming "Feminists" for then not being able to get any dates. maybe it never occurs to them that the reason they don;t get dates in because they are assholes.
polichick
(37,152 posts)jcgoldie
(11,655 posts)Wheres Betty Friedan when you need her? These people are still stuck in the 50s.
Xyzse
(8,217 posts)I've met her a few times. She seemed nice.
LiberalFighter
(51,168 posts)She is the niece of Phyllis Schlafly. Helping to provide for her family. She has a husband or claims to be a wife. She has her hair cut short that is so unfeminine.
Why would modern women be tied down to what men tell them to do when they have so many better opportunities that makes them self fulfilling? Depending on the circumstances the woman has freedom that is part of human nature (DNA) to have freedom.
Why is it only the man responsible for providing and protecting the family? So if the house was burning down the mother has to wait until the husband shows up to take the family out of the burning house? The mother doesn't make or help make the decisions on keeping the children healthy? Is it necessary for the woman to call her husband at work for protection when someone might be breaking into the house?
Why are these men trying to compete with them in a marriage?
Marriageable men will come out of the woodwork? Really? Could it be that some of these men are too weak for any woman? Even a woman with feminine qualities and DNA from the dark ages?
Here is response by someone regarding Suzanne Venker
Suzanne Venker is a Dolt (Battle of the Sexes Edition)
Hekate
(90,859 posts)Ms Schlafly toured the country telling everyone who would listen that women ought to be at home catering to their husbands and having babies, not out in the workforce competing with them. Shame on the feminists!
It always struck me as a but odd that Phyllis herself had a high-profile career that took her out of the home for long periods at a time.
jcgoldie
(11,655 posts)My mother in law works for her during each election season. She's absolutely miserable. This connection explains a lot.
graywarrior
(59,440 posts)OnionPatch
(6,169 posts)then why is there a lower divorce rate in more liberal areas of the country? Obviously there are more couples with "feminized" women in these areas.
Dash87
(3,220 posts)Let's see: They pull out..
- Evo-psych
- The 'womens' natural role' argument
- men and women were already equal!
- Men's natural role argument
- An example of one feminists' views as the entirety of feminist beliefs.
- Mentioning of feminist history
- Feminists are making men whimps
- Marriage as a necessity for happiness in a woman's life
And much more I'm sure...
It's like every bad argument molded into one.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)BainsBane
(53,076 posts)Was in not surrendering to my nature, I could have 12 kids rather that worrying about becoming educated and gainfully employed. Society failed me. If only I would have had Fox when I was growing up.
aquart
(69,014 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,390 posts)"As the author of three books on the American family and its intersection with pop culture, Ive spent thirteen years examining social agendas as they pertain to sex, parenting, and gender roles". And yet she can write this crap. It's as if she was educated in the 1890s, and can't progress beyond that. It certainly doesn't read as if she thinks women are capable of voting.