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Related: About this forumAre Republicans Really Breaking with Grover Norquist?
The man behind the GOPs anti-tax pledge decodes the buzzwords.
By David Weigel
Grover Norquist is used to it by now. A reporter corners a Republican on the tax extensions/debt deal/fiscal cliff. The reporter asks: Will you break the Taxpayer Protection Pledge and consider raising taxes? The Republican waffles, and the reporters next call is to Norquist, the president of Americans of Tax Reform, to see whether a heresy has been committed.
Somebody answers a hypotheticalwould you raise taxes a teeny bit if someone would give you a jillion dollars of entitlement reform? says Norquist, taking a few minutes to talk between some cable news things on Monday. Thats the question that Sen. Lindsey Graham keeps getting.
Over the weekend, Graham had joined the latest round of the game by going on ABC News and appearing to break the pledge, which puts its signatories on record against any net tax increase. I think Grover is wrong when it comes to we cant cap deductions and buy down debt, said Graham. I will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country, only if Democrats will do entitlement reform. The Washington Post called this a break with Grover Norquist.
That wasnt how Norquist saw it. Ive talked to Lindsey Graham on the phone after some of his pronouncements, and hes said: Oh, I would need 10-1 [ratio of cuts to tax hikes], and it would have to include permanent, unalterable entitlement reform. I said: Lindsey, if thats what its going to take to get you to raise taxes, Im not going to worry about you. You are not in danger of being offered a silver unicorn, because unicorns dont exist.
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http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2012/11/grover_norquist_tax_pledge_are_republicans_breaking_the_taxpayer_protection.html?wpisrc=newsletter_rubric
Flashmann
(2,140 posts)To presume that to be true,also seems to presume rethugs have any capacity or desire to be honest,factual or in possession of a shred of moral integrity......Personally....That's too much of a leap for me.......
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)wandy
(3,539 posts)Yep, you're right. Too much of a leap for me.
MADem
(135,425 posts)If these GOP idiots stick with Grover instead of their constituents, they'll be facing opposition in two scant years.
Remember, the "money" end of things always starts in the HOUSE--and they are the ones most vulnerable to getting bounced.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,445 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Not a chance. Still Ayn Rand sociopaths, all of them.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,445 posts)their dance around the Norquist pledge is pure Kubuki theater
freshwest
(53,661 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)They've been trying to slash the social safety net forever, it's a matter of doctrine that precedes Nordquist. He's just being thrown in our face as the cause of all of it, not one of them will vote to do anything to help people or extend rights.
They have not changed one bit. Let them toss Grover under the bus, they are still driving us into poverty and inequality. Never forget, and pay atention to every time they vote against those they intended to hurt all along.
They just all swore to vote against the UN on rights for the disabled, are we dumb enough to believe the media hype that they have they changed their tune?
Not buying what their media is selling us this week, no.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)yellowcanine
(35,701 posts)Strictly platonic though, no skeezy stuff.
rurallib
(62,460 posts)than they are of their idiot districts which will re-elect them forever unless someone like Grover has a reason to put up an even crazier candidate.
2naSalit
(86,823 posts)Grammy23
(5,815 posts)Too many land mines all around them. Say one thing: piss off their constituents. Say another: Enrage Grover and the folks with the big bucks. Say still another: Watch the Democrats go on the warpath.
This is going to get really interesting before it's all over watching these idiots turn themselves inside out trying to keep everyone happy. Ultimately someone will be angry with the line they choose---possibly everyone. Couldn't happen to a better, more deserving bunch of thugs.
Wounded Bear
(58,726 posts)If you listen to what they say, they aren't offering much. Still insisting on the tire old "entitlement reform" line, and offering reduction in tax "loopholes" that are largely beneficial to the middle class.
They may be trying to put a shine on it, but it's the same old Republican turd.
xxxsdesdexxx
(213 posts)Does the Republicans' plan for the "closing of loopholes and the limiting deductions" close loopholes and limit deductions for everybody or just the wealthy? I would also like to know specifics on why the "math doesn't add up." I am of the belief that there is no way the math adds up unless you hit everybody including the poor and middle-class -- not just the wealthy. Have the Republicans even been specific in what loopholes they are closing and what deductions they are limiting?