2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI Am Undecided.
I am an undecided voter. I just can't decide between the thrice married,bloviating failed businessman who gropes woman and humiliates them in public, doesn't pay his bills and scams people with fake universities, disrespects veterans and non-white Americans, AND the former lawyer, First Lady, Senator, and Secretary of State who has over 30 years of experience, has fended off countless attacks from the right and even the left...has been accused of treason, and even murder for political reasons and is STILL standing and fighting every DAMN DAY.
Tough choice.
These new emails that no one has read and no one knows anything about just might push me over the edge towards Trump...
SAID NO ONE EVER.
These people don't exist...CALM DOWN PEOPLE. Let's get through the next 10 days. See you in D.C on 1-20-17.
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)RelativelyJones
(898 posts)Proud liberal 80
(4,167 posts)are republicans that don't like trump but think Clinton is corrupt. most of them are not really undecided and would eventually come around and vote trump anyway.
mindfulNJ
(2,367 posts)nt
jimlup
(7,968 posts)have to realize the Republican BS and Trumpism isn't going to go away after November 8th. They are going to lose and I hope badly.
With Cruz threatening to block all of Clinton's Supreme Court nominees we are going to continue to have a partisan fight between the sane and collectively insane as we move forward.
Cakes488
(874 posts)Osakagreg
(111 posts)mindfulNJ
(2,367 posts)There is no such thing as an undecided voter at this point. Decisions have been made already on both sides...this newest kerfuffle is not going to make a bit of difference now.
BumRushDaShow
(129,228 posts)ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)vdogg
(1,384 posts)tblue37
(65,457 posts)for attention and maybe even a chance to be on TV in a focus group, or at least mentioned by name in a newspaper article.
Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)they don't want to talk about who they are voting for and the election. My husband has done it before at work.
Grey Lemercier
(1,429 posts)IMHO it would be far better to say "None of your damn business".
wanderingcat
(5 posts)I follow DU daily, but did not post until now. I am either stupid or naive. But here goes: 0k, Hillary used a so-called private server while Secretary of State. Thousands and thousands of her emails have been made public. Other servers both government and private have been hacked. Much has been made about how Hillary's server has endangered the US. Can someone please give me a specific example of a Clinton email that has done this?
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Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)cynzke
(1,254 posts)loose cannon for a mouth, I can't begin to imagine what Dumpie's emails would reveal. But given what we know of his history, they would be probably be too sleazy, disturbing to read without having a bucket in reach!
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SOUTHERNYANKEE75
(26 posts)I personally know people who were lifelong dems who are voting for Trump due to all her email/server mishandlings. The ultra liberal town I'm from in CT is PLASTERED with Trump signs!!! Make no mistake this WILL get more Trump voters, now is not the time to get "comfy"!
BumRushDaShow
(129,228 posts)Think I'll save this for posterity!
lillypaddle
(9,581 posts)or drinking?
SOUTHERNYANKEE75
(26 posts)I just got back from my hometown, it's full of wealthy educated dems. Trump signs are ALL over the town, just posting my observations. Didn't say I was happy about it!!!!!!!!!!
lillypaddle
(9,581 posts)that's all.
mindfulNJ
(2,367 posts)and I am not seeing this. Are you suggesting that CT will go for Trump?
SOUTHERNYANKEE75
(26 posts)mindfulNJ
(2,367 posts)..and you?
SOUTHERNYANKEE75
(26 posts)Proud liberal 80
(4,167 posts)Who I assume voted for Obama, kerry, and gore. Can all of a sudden change because of a email server to vote for someone like Donald trump. Not only knowing that he is all the things that the OP laid out, but knowing that this election will determine the fate of the Sulfeme court for 30 years.
I am not saying you are wrong, I just think that those people are crazy.
Edit: I actually believe you. Those people seem privileged and they seem rich enough to be able to endure a trump presidency and a conservative Supreme Court. Everyone e,she be damned.
SOUTHERNYANKEE75
(26 posts)Skittles
(153,170 posts)let's not forget all the OTHER phony "scandals" repukes have attacked Hillary with over the past few DECADES
Grey Lemercier
(1,429 posts)Trump signs "everywhere".
The 2 are profoundly incongruous.
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Grey Lemercier
(1,429 posts)the town is schizphrenic on a worldview level
It is crazy that a town would radically shift from supporting a POC to 4 years later supporting an open sexist pig who baits with racial dog whistles and whose core base is at least 25% rabid klan mentality or alt-right white nationalism
Skittles
(153,170 posts)could you BE any more transparent???
Laser102
(816 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,228 posts)has either "decided" who to vote for and it's none of anyone's damn business -OR- really is "undecided", but doesn't care anymore (or never did care), and most likely won't vote.
It's that simple.
Of late, the "high" turnouts that one sees during general Presidential elections is usually only peaking out at ~60% or so, there's always a big chunk not voting.
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BumRushDaShow
(129,228 posts)Trump will deport all the illegals because they are illegal. Illegal means illegal. America is a conservative nation. Get used to it.
Cleanup in aisle 1!
mindfulNJ
(2,367 posts)Missed these words of wisdom the first time around.
BumRushDaShow
(129,228 posts)GoneOffShore
(17,340 posts)And I agree, if one is undecided now.....
lillypaddle
(9,581 posts)K&R
dalton99
(781 posts)LAS14
(13,783 posts)... who are holding their noses to vote for Hillary may just decide to stay home. People (and they do exist) who believe she jeopardized national security, that she repeatedly lied, etc. I don't think it will tip the election, but I would like a resounding rebuke to Trump and a healthy down ballot swing to Dems.
metroins
(2,550 posts)Who plan to vote Hillary.
I could also see them switching to Trump if nothing bad comes out about him and it's all negative Hillary for 10 days.
Voter suppression that could potentially make a difference in down-ballot races, as well as the impact this has on the media narrative, is what concerns me. As Paul Krugman said, most people are just hearing Clinton-FBI investigation-emails. There will be no talk of Clinton having a mandate. Instead, it'll be all FBI investigation all the time. I'm sure we'll hear talk of impeachment shortly after she's announced the winner on Nov 8.
gordianot
(15,242 posts)......to convince that undecided voter to vote for their own self interests. Who benefits from your donation to a mindless media conglomerate whose one goal is to influence public opinion for profit? Shear the sheep no matter their political belief or interests.
GWC58
(2,678 posts)I thought tRump "self funded?" That's what his supporters say. We all know that's some shit coming out of a bulls ass!!😰😖
mindfulNJ
(2,367 posts)I haven't heard the "self funded" thing for awhile now.
IronLionZion
(45,472 posts)especially if they have friends on both sides
The Hillary hate is irrational and started long before she was ever elected to the Senate or had any emails or Benghazis or whatever. Trump's campaign is built on hate so of course they would exploit what they can.
cynzke
(1,254 posts)We HAD the Clintons in the White House before. We SURVIVED and THRIVED. People can check Clinton's record a Senator. New Yorkers liked her. Its what these two candidates have done to prove their worthiness. You may not like Clinton's background, but she has proven she has the skills and temperament to be POTUS. Trump, on the other hand, has proven the opposite.
Flatpicker
(894 posts)I also remember the huge arguments I got into in college when one of my professors decided to go off on a rant as to how Bill ruined the US' reputation in the world.
The fact that he was supported by 2 or 3 ex-military students in class really drove home to me how much progress can be overlooked by hateful little minds.
I haven't seen those people in almost 20 years, but they scare me. They would be Trump voters in this day and age.
Don't underestimate the Republican fall in line mentality. It's irrational.
Mme. Defarge
(8,036 posts)nolabear
(41,989 posts)Flatpicker
(894 posts)About the "undecided" youth that are considering not going out to vote.
It's less a Trump vs Clinton battle more than a Clinton vs Comfy Couch battle.
This is the lowest enthusiasm I've seen from the new voters since Bush/Gore.
Fingers crossed that it's a good weather day.
Bad weather and it would only take half a basket of deplorables to tip the scales.
Akamai
(1,779 posts)That when Comey announced this summer that he would not be filing charges but that Hillary showed "extreme carelessness", Hillary very temporarily lost about 2% or 3% of the votes but Trump never picked them up. The votes came back to Hillary soon after that.
That history is very reassuring and indicates that, as Hillary said yesterday, that her supporters have already "baked into the cake" the history of emails.
Also, Hillary supporters know what F***heads (oops! maybe I should change that to: mendacious, greedy, uncaring prevaricators) the Republicans are.
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)Initech
(100,088 posts)Because... Fuck Donald Trump!!!! I am already looking at hotel reservations!
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Should I call in on Wednesday after all the celebratory champagne?
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)Nitram
(22,840 posts)I did suspect that was why this was, but I was hoping for better. I may be a minority holding this point of view, but I'm getting tired of this kind of cheap clickbait.
mindfulNJ
(2,367 posts)This a message board. I wrote a message. Sorry you were disappointed. Hope your finger doesn't get too tired clicking back to the main page.
Nitram
(22,840 posts)I did state that I may be a minority in this aspect. I'm just expressing my opinion. Sorry if that upset you.
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