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mindfulNJ

(2,367 posts)
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 07:07 AM Oct 2016

I Am Undecided.

I am an undecided voter. I just can't decide between the thrice married,bloviating failed businessman who gropes woman and humiliates them in public, doesn't pay his bills and scams people with fake universities, disrespects veterans and non-white Americans, AND the former lawyer, First Lady, Senator, and Secretary of State who has over 30 years of experience, has fended off countless attacks from the right and even the left...has been accused of treason, and even murder for political reasons and is STILL standing and fighting every DAMN DAY.

Tough choice.

These new emails that no one has read and no one knows anything about just might push me over the edge towards Trump...

SAID NO ONE EVER.


These people don't exist...CALM DOWN PEOPLE. Let's get through the next 10 days. See you in D.C on 1-20-17.

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I Am Undecided. (Original Post) mindfulNJ Oct 2016 OP
K&R! stonecutter357 Oct 2016 #1
K&R RelativelyJones Oct 2016 #2
Some "undecided" voters Proud liberal 80 Oct 2016 #3
indeed. mindfulNJ Oct 2016 #4
Realistically I think we jimlup Oct 2016 #5
I'm ready to fight!!! Going to get more involved in political activism. Cakes488 Oct 2016 #30
Said no one ever? Sadly Trump voters said exactly that, and then decided to vote for Trump. Osakagreg Oct 2016 #6
That is my point mindfulNJ Oct 2016 #7
^^^ This exactly ^^^ BumRushDaShow Oct 2016 #38
+1 nt ProudProgressiveNow Oct 2016 #60
Trump supporters were always going to vote for Trump. vdogg Oct 2016 #12
I believe that many who claim to be undecided actually are just hoping tblue37 Oct 2016 #8
I also think people say they are undecided when Zing Zing Zingbah Oct 2016 #28
that would seem to invite trouble, ie. attempts to recruit Grey Lemercier Oct 2016 #44
I am not undecided, but wanderingcat Oct 2016 #10
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2016 #13
+1 Welcome to DU Rose Siding Oct 2016 #14
Considering what the genius says in public through his... cynzke Oct 2016 #40
Post removed Post removed Oct 2016 #11
Don't be so sure! SOUTHERNYANKEE75 Oct 2016 #16
Um okay BumRushDaShow Oct 2016 #19
WTF are you thinking? lillypaddle Oct 2016 #22
What do you mean? SOUTHERNYANKEE75 Oct 2016 #25
It's just hard to believe lillypaddle Oct 2016 #45
I live in CT too mindfulNJ Oct 2016 #24
Where in CT are you? SOUTHERNYANKEE75 Oct 2016 #26
Stafford area mindfulNJ Oct 2016 #29
Suffield SOUTHERNYANKEE75 Oct 2016 #31
So a lifelong dem Proud liberal 80 Oct 2016 #34
Not just for email reasons alone I'm sure. SOUTHERNYANKEE75 Oct 2016 #39
yes Skittles Oct 2016 #55
either the town is NOT ultraliberal or there are not Grey Lemercier Oct 2016 #46
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2016 #51
well either you have a couple hyper active trumpsters or Grey Lemercier Oct 2016 #53
SURE YOU DO Skittles Oct 2016 #54
Agree!! K&R Laser102 Oct 2016 #17
At this late date, anyone who claims they are "undecided" BumRushDaShow Oct 2016 #18
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2016 #33
Another to save for posterity! BumRushDaShow Oct 2016 #35
Thanks mindfulNJ Oct 2016 #47
I usually miss these before MIRT mops them up BumRushDaShow Oct 2016 #49
Excellent stuff. GoneOffShore Oct 2016 #20
Right on! lillypaddle Oct 2016 #21
At this stage in the game, undecideds are either lazy attention whores or cult members in disguise dalton99 Oct 2016 #23
I think there's a legitimate worry that former "undecideds"... LAS14 Oct 2016 #32
I know a decent amount of Rs metroins Oct 2016 #37
Agreed. Garrett78 Oct 2016 #56
Not only that but you are expected to donate money gordianot Oct 2016 #36
But, but, but GWC58 Oct 2016 #42
Ha...blast from the past mindfulNJ Oct 2016 #48
Most "undecided" voters are liars who don't want to fight with their friends IronLionZion Oct 2016 #41
What people seem to FORGET!!! cynzke Oct 2016 #43
I remember the Clinton years Flatpicker Oct 2016 #58
K&R! Mme. Defarge Oct 2016 #50
Stronger Together! nolabear Oct 2016 #52
I'm more concerned Flatpicker Oct 2016 #57
Yup! As was reported on AM Joy this morning (Saturday) Comey's screw-ups don't mean much. Akamai Oct 2016 #59
K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Oct 2016 #61
When Hillary Clinton is the winner, I will be in Washington DC on January 20th. Initech Oct 2016 #62
I'm undecided too.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2016 #63
KNR Thank you! Lucinda Oct 2016 #64
Sorry, but I'm getting tired of clickbait like this. Nitram Oct 2016 #65
Click bait? mindfulNJ Oct 2016 #66
Misleading or quirky headlines are just not my thing. I guess some people find them cute or amusing. Nitram Oct 2016 #67
This message was self-deleted by its author bdamomma1 Oct 2016 #68

Proud liberal 80

(4,167 posts)
3. Some "undecided" voters
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 07:17 AM
Oct 2016

are republicans that don't like trump but think Clinton is corrupt. most of them are not really undecided and would eventually come around and vote trump anyway.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
5. Realistically I think we
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 07:19 AM
Oct 2016

have to realize the Republican BS and Trumpism isn't going to go away after November 8th. They are going to lose and I hope badly.

With Cruz threatening to block all of Clinton's Supreme Court nominees we are going to continue to have a partisan fight between the sane and collectively insane as we move forward.

mindfulNJ

(2,367 posts)
7. That is my point
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 07:25 AM
Oct 2016

There is no such thing as an undecided voter at this point. Decisions have been made already on both sides...this newest kerfuffle is not going to make a bit of difference now.

tblue37

(65,457 posts)
8. I believe that many who claim to be undecided actually are just hoping
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 07:35 AM
Oct 2016

for attention and maybe even a chance to be on TV in a focus group, or at least mentioned by name in a newspaper article.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
28. I also think people say they are undecided when
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 09:01 AM
Oct 2016

they don't want to talk about who they are voting for and the election. My husband has done it before at work.

 

Grey Lemercier

(1,429 posts)
44. that would seem to invite trouble, ie. attempts to recruit
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 09:47 AM
Oct 2016

IMHO it would be far better to say "None of your damn business".

wanderingcat

(5 posts)
10. I am not undecided, but
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 07:48 AM
Oct 2016

I follow DU daily, but did not post until now. I am either stupid or naive. But here goes: 0k, Hillary used a so-called private server while Secretary of State. Thousands and thousands of her emails have been made public. Other servers both government and private have been hacked. Much has been made about how Hillary's server has endangered the US. Can someone please give me a specific example of a Clinton email that has done this?

Response to wanderingcat (Reply #10)

cynzke

(1,254 posts)
40. Considering what the genius says in public through his...
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 09:18 AM
Oct 2016

loose cannon for a mouth, I can't begin to imagine what Dumpie's emails would reveal. But given what we know of his history, they would be probably be too sleazy, disturbing to read without having a bucket in reach!

Response to mindfulNJ (Original post)

 

SOUTHERNYANKEE75

(26 posts)
16. Don't be so sure!
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 08:11 AM
Oct 2016

I personally know people who were lifelong dems who are voting for Trump due to all her email/server mishandlings. The ultra liberal town I'm from in CT is PLASTERED with Trump signs!!! Make no mistake this WILL get more Trump voters, now is not the time to get "comfy"!

BumRushDaShow

(129,228 posts)
19. Um okay
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 08:33 AM
Oct 2016


Think I'll save this for posterity!

I personally know people who were lifelong dems who are voting for Trump due to all her email/server mishandlings. The ultra liberal town I'm from in CT is PLASTERED with Trump signs!!! Make no mistake this WILL get more Trump voters, now is not the time to get "comfy"!


 

SOUTHERNYANKEE75

(26 posts)
25. What do you mean?
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 09:00 AM
Oct 2016

I just got back from my hometown, it's full of wealthy educated dems. Trump signs are ALL over the town, just posting my observations. Didn't say I was happy about it!!!!!!!!!!

Proud liberal 80

(4,167 posts)
34. So a lifelong dem
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 09:08 AM
Oct 2016

Who I assume voted for Obama, kerry, and gore. Can all of a sudden change because of a email server to vote for someone like Donald trump. Not only knowing that he is all the things that the OP laid out, but knowing that this election will determine the fate of the Sulfeme court for 30 years.

I am not saying you are wrong, I just think that those people are crazy.

Edit: I actually believe you. Those people seem privileged and they seem rich enough to be able to endure a trump presidency and a conservative Supreme Court. Everyone e,she be damned.

Skittles

(153,170 posts)
55. yes
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 08:49 PM
Oct 2016

let's not forget all the OTHER phony "scandals" repukes have attacked Hillary with over the past few DECADES

 

Grey Lemercier

(1,429 posts)
46. either the town is NOT ultraliberal or there are not
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 09:51 AM
Oct 2016

Trump signs "everywhere".

The 2 are profoundly incongruous.

Response to Grey Lemercier (Reply #46)

 

Grey Lemercier

(1,429 posts)
53. well either you have a couple hyper active trumpsters or
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 11:24 AM
Oct 2016

the town is schizphrenic on a worldview level

It is crazy that a town would radically shift from supporting a POC to 4 years later supporting an open sexist pig who baits with racial dog whistles and whose core base is at least 25% rabid klan mentality or alt-right white nationalism

BumRushDaShow

(129,228 posts)
18. At this late date, anyone who claims they are "undecided"
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 08:30 AM
Oct 2016

has either "decided" who to vote for and it's none of anyone's damn business -OR- really is "undecided", but doesn't care anymore (or never did care), and most likely won't vote.

It's that simple.

Of late, the "high" turnouts that one sees during general Presidential elections is usually only peaking out at ~60% or so, there's always a big chunk not voting.

Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #18)

BumRushDaShow

(129,228 posts)
35. Another to save for posterity!
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 09:09 AM
Oct 2016
I'm voting for Trump and yesterday five die hard democrats admitted I was right about Crooked Hillary and four are switching to Trump and the other Stein. Trump is going to win and it won't even be close. Trump goes from down 4 to up 8. Crooked Hillary is going down, yet stupid democrats believe she has it in the bag and are too lazy to vote or are voting Stein. I say good. The Trump Train is moving full steam ahead.
Trump will deport all the illegals because they are illegal. Illegal means illegal. America is a conservative nation. Get used to it.


Cleanup in aisle 1!

LAS14

(13,783 posts)
32. I think there's a legitimate worry that former "undecideds"...
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 09:07 AM
Oct 2016

... who are holding their noses to vote for Hillary may just decide to stay home. People (and they do exist) who believe she jeopardized national security, that she repeatedly lied, etc. I don't think it will tip the election, but I would like a resounding rebuke to Trump and a healthy down ballot swing to Dems.

metroins

(2,550 posts)
37. I know a decent amount of Rs
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 09:11 AM
Oct 2016

Who plan to vote Hillary.

I could also see them switching to Trump if nothing bad comes out about him and it's all negative Hillary for 10 days.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
56. Agreed.
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 09:34 PM
Oct 2016

Voter suppression that could potentially make a difference in down-ballot races, as well as the impact this has on the media narrative, is what concerns me. As Paul Krugman said, most people are just hearing Clinton-FBI investigation-emails. There will be no talk of Clinton having a mandate. Instead, it'll be all FBI investigation all the time. I'm sure we'll hear talk of impeachment shortly after she's announced the winner on Nov 8.

gordianot

(15,242 posts)
36. Not only that but you are expected to donate money
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 09:09 AM
Oct 2016

......to convince that undecided voter to vote for their own self interests. Who benefits from your donation to a mindless media conglomerate whose one goal is to influence public opinion for profit? Shear the sheep no matter their political belief or interests.

GWC58

(2,678 posts)
42. But, but, but
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 09:27 AM
Oct 2016

I thought tRump "self funded?" That's what his supporters say. We all know that's some shit coming out of a bulls ass!!😰😖

IronLionZion

(45,472 posts)
41. Most "undecided" voters are liars who don't want to fight with their friends
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 09:26 AM
Oct 2016

especially if they have friends on both sides

The Hillary hate is irrational and started long before she was ever elected to the Senate or had any emails or Benghazis or whatever. Trump's campaign is built on hate so of course they would exploit what they can.

cynzke

(1,254 posts)
43. What people seem to FORGET!!!
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 09:28 AM
Oct 2016

We HAD the Clintons in the White House before. We SURVIVED and THRIVED. People can check Clinton's record a Senator. New Yorkers liked her. Its what these two candidates have done to prove their worthiness. You may not like Clinton's background, but she has proven she has the skills and temperament to be POTUS. Trump, on the other hand, has proven the opposite.

Flatpicker

(894 posts)
58. I remember the Clinton years
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 10:10 PM
Oct 2016

I also remember the huge arguments I got into in college when one of my professors decided to go off on a rant as to how Bill ruined the US' reputation in the world.

The fact that he was supported by 2 or 3 ex-military students in class really drove home to me how much progress can be overlooked by hateful little minds.

I haven't seen those people in almost 20 years, but they scare me. They would be Trump voters in this day and age.
Don't underestimate the Republican fall in line mentality. It's irrational.

Flatpicker

(894 posts)
57. I'm more concerned
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 09:59 PM
Oct 2016

About the "undecided" youth that are considering not going out to vote.

It's less a Trump vs Clinton battle more than a Clinton vs Comfy Couch battle.
This is the lowest enthusiasm I've seen from the new voters since Bush/Gore.

Fingers crossed that it's a good weather day.
Bad weather and it would only take half a basket of deplorables to tip the scales.

 

Akamai

(1,779 posts)
59. Yup! As was reported on AM Joy this morning (Saturday) Comey's screw-ups don't mean much.
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 10:31 PM
Oct 2016

That when Comey announced this summer that he would not be filing charges but that Hillary showed "extreme carelessness", Hillary very temporarily lost about 2% or 3% of the votes but Trump never picked them up. The votes came back to Hillary soon after that.

That history is very reassuring and indicates that, as Hillary said yesterday, that her supporters have already "baked into the cake" the history of emails.

Also, Hillary supporters know what F***heads (oops! maybe I should change that to: mendacious, greedy, uncaring prevaricators) the Republicans are.

Initech

(100,088 posts)
62. When Hillary Clinton is the winner, I will be in Washington DC on January 20th.
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 11:17 PM
Oct 2016

Because... Fuck Donald Trump!!!! I am already looking at hotel reservations!

Nitram

(22,840 posts)
65. Sorry, but I'm getting tired of clickbait like this.
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 11:47 PM
Oct 2016

I did suspect that was why this was, but I was hoping for better. I may be a minority holding this point of view, but I'm getting tired of this kind of cheap clickbait.

mindfulNJ

(2,367 posts)
66. Click bait?
Sun Oct 30, 2016, 06:00 AM
Oct 2016

This a message board. I wrote a message. Sorry you were disappointed. Hope your finger doesn't get too tired clicking back to the main page.

Nitram

(22,840 posts)
67. Misleading or quirky headlines are just not my thing. I guess some people find them cute or amusing.
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 10:53 AM
Oct 2016

I did state that I may be a minority in this aspect. I'm just expressing my opinion. Sorry if that upset you.

Response to mindfulNJ (Original post)

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