2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumA must read piece from The New Yorker: "Comey broke with Loretta Lynch..."
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You dont do this, one former senior Justice Department official exclaimed. Its aberrational. It violates decades of practice. The reason, according to the former official, who asked not to be identified because of ongoing cases involving the department, is because it impugns the integrity and reputation of the candidate, even though theres no finding by a court, or in this instance even an indictment.
According to the Administration official, Lynch asked Comey to follow Justice Department policies, but he said that he was obliged to break with them because he had promised to inform members of Congress if there were further developments in the case. He also felt that the impending election created a compelling need to inform the public, despite the tradition of acting with added discretion around elections. The Administration official said that Lynch and Justice Department officials are studying the situation, which he called unprecedented.
Link: http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/james-comey-broke-with-loretta-lynch-and-justice-department-tradition
still_one
(92,303 posts)viguy2016
(47 posts)Dem2
(8,168 posts)The cat is out of the bag so I guess we need to move on and keep fighting to get Hillary elected
cynzke
(1,254 posts)That this is NOT new EVIDENCE. Evidence is what you submit in conjunction with criminal charges, seeking an INDICTMENT. The FBI doesn't know whether or not there is anything that meets the criteria/definition of EVIDENCE. Evidence either exonerates or convicts a defendant in a criminal TRIAL or civil lawsuit. Using the term "EVIDENCE" triggers a suggestion that a crime has ALREADY been established. In this case, this whole vague story is already being used by her enemies to lynch Clinton.
ToxMarz
(2,169 posts)They have just discovered a new pond to go fishing in.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)So can we move on now?
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)And we don't know if there is anything in the bag related to the nothing burger. I don't see no cat.
They are in total panic mode because they are cratering horribly to a Hillary landslide. That's the narrative.
Let's move on and get Hillary elected!
Jim__
(14,082 posts)To inform the public of what? To inform the public that Comey thinks that there may be some emails that may be connected to Hillary Clinton and that may or may not have some content that may or may not lead to further investigation? The guy's a jackass.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)cynzke
(1,254 posts)Favorite weapons of scoundrels like Trump and Jason Chaffetz. Chaffetz started this DELIBERATE firestorm with his DISTORTED tweets. Trump with his limited intellect and reading skills misinterpreted what was going and jumped to gun to use/hype this for his benefit. It shows that we can not let this man become President. He flies off the handle over info he doesn't understand and is willing to react without out waiting for confirmation or seeking advice first. Once again Trump shows he is incapable of acting RATIONALLY. He only know how to react and in this case he is way off the mark.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Wrong, absolutely wrong qwrong.
Please rezeARCH BEFOREEW YOU POST SUCH GOBBVLEDEE GOOK.
HE DOESN';T HAVE A HANDle..
GOTCHA..
kimbutgar
(21,172 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)The longer I think of it, the madder I get.
duffyduff
(3,251 posts)What part of NOTHING don't you understand?
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)kstewart33
(6,551 posts)duffyduff
(3,251 posts)He goes way back.
I am GLAD the Clinton campaign is forcing him to defend himself.
duffyduff
(3,251 posts)You have summed this whole bullshit up.
I cannot believe ANYBODY here thinks HRC's election chances are gone.
Proud liberal 80
(4,167 posts)Then he needs to state more specifics.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)Tom Rivers
(459 posts)if this is such a big deal for us to know then tell us what is in them otherwise the whole thing is a sham.
duffyduff
(3,251 posts)That is the "Clinton scandals" in a nutshell. Imply either Bill or Hillary have done something wrong, but don't state what it is, let alone have any evidence of whatever they think they think they did.
It is all BULLSHIT.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)disapprove of Comey's action. Someone already posted it, but here also: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/hillary-clinton-fbi-james-comey-disclosure-prosecutors-230467
The NYT Editorial Board seems to think it was appropriate for Comey to put covering his own ass ahead of the ethics and reputation of the Justice Department, and of course of the sanctity of our election. No suggestion there that he wouldn't mind putting his weight on the Republican side, much less that that could have been a big part of his decision.
avebury
(10,952 posts)should be informed why the heck hasn't he been investigating Trump. He certainly has a wide number of criminal acts to choose from.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)about that, do we? No. The Republicans are NOT interested in national security. They're interested in gaining power in our Govt by any means necessary - minus putting forward popular policies that can benefit working Americans, that is.
This is why Comey's actions are so partisan. As April Ryan stated on AMJoy this morning, "the investigator is being investigated by the Trump Campaign and by Congressional Republicans". They are putting pressure on him to "give them the dirty" on Hillary Clinton...or, at least, make up something dirty. At the same time, they're careful to hide the investigations into the Trump Campaign's ties to Putin and Russia.
Had our M$M been "fair and balanced", it would've been known, via Dir. Comey and via them, that the Trump Campaign is being investigated, and if congressional Republicans had any interest in national security beyond playing ugly politics using character assassination of an opponent, they would've demanded equal fairness from Comey to come testify, publicly, what the FBI knows about those Russian-ties to Trump's campaign. None of this happened.
Panich52
(5,829 posts)means Repubs, doesn't he? Comey used to pride himself on being above political fray, not letting his conservatism interfere w/ his responsibility in FBI. He first blew that w/ his unprecedented press release in July where he delivered a thoroughly left-handed exoneration of Clinton. He had to know Repubs in Congress wouldn't sit on anything that might renew bad press about HRC.
If enough sane people vote, meaning Clinton's elected, would those same sane folk blame her f/ choosing another FBI Director?
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)And these are desperate times because Trump is destroying their party.
Panich52
(5,829 posts)Coyotl
(15,262 posts)You can make these online at the custom cap stores.
bucolic_frolic
(43,240 posts)before the President or the public
Such a Boy Scout!
He's fumbled this issue - twice!
Time to find a replacement FBI Director who's not a political hack.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)LAS14
(13,783 posts)Or.... this seems like something on which it is worthy to spend time..... :-/
Just needed a little lightness this a.m.
DemoTex
(25,400 posts)Kind of like his close association with the Swift Boat Veterans. Once a liar, always a liar.
It does have a Rovian stench to it doesn't it.
Comey has Rove stink all over him...
duffyduff
(3,251 posts)He was a partisan hack who was on the Senate Whitewater Committee back in 1996. That is long before anybody outside of Sparks Nevada, or Texas had ever heard of Karl Rove.
TryLogic
(1,723 posts)Soxfan58
(3,479 posts)A rich SOB with his 7 figure salary from trump international. Just speculating.
SwankyXomb
(2,030 posts)Trump would never pay that much money to anyone who isn't related to him.
dalton99
(781 posts)PunksMom
(440 posts)The damage has been done, and now we have to spend the next 10 days fighting off an issue that should have never been brought up before this election! I am so disgusted that nothing, as of now it seems, will happen to Comey, and repubs got exactly what they wanted. I still believe Hillary will win the presidency, but this is going to have repercussions in the down ballot...IMO. That's exactly what the GOP wanted. Your day will come Comey, you major scumbag. I believe in Karma.
azureblue
(2,148 posts)But Comey did not count on a huge backfire from Repubs and Democrats alike. He is already being painted as partisan,and his motives questioned.. I think this will work for Ms. Clinton, because it shows the lengths the GOP will go to to try to attack her. And people are disgusted with the lies and smears.
PunksMom
(440 posts)It won't change my vote! GO HILLARY
duffyduff
(3,251 posts)I cannot believe the people around here falling for this BULLSHIT.
PunksMom
(440 posts)I won't apologize for being pissed right now, but it sure doesn't mean I'm falling for anything! That's where I'm coming from...my opinion isn't wrong, it's mine.
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)Polling will be worse. I think Hillary will barely survive but her margins will diminish and we'll lose senate and other down ballot races that otherwise we would have carried.
Details don't matter. Sites like this are fixated on details. The public doesn't care, especially the ones undecided at this late date. They'll latch onto one basic theme within a handful of words. The FBI handed it to them: Email investigation reopened.
azureblue
(2,148 posts)there was something substantial in the emails that would justify his announcement. But the is no evidence. No links. Nothing at all but the possible mention of Ms. Clinton's name. And certainly nothing of substance that would merit him making that announcement... There are no "developments in the case" whatsoever, unless you count somebody else's emails on somebody else's server, as evidence. And that is laughable in itself. All Comey has is conjecture.
So Comey contradicted and indicted himself- what he did was a fire able offense. Dump him.
PunksMom
(440 posts)I don't think that's possible, maybe I'm wrong...anyone???
calimary
(81,383 posts)Insubordination, for sure, if he went against the determination of HIS BOSS, Attorney General Loretta Lynch. She and others determined that he should NOT do this. And he went ahead and did it anyway. So what should certainly happen now is - a request for his letter of resignation. Or he should be fired. Of course that'll make him a hero of the far-right. But the chain of command has to matter here. You can't have people "going rogue" within the chain of command. How'd that be in the military? You either bite your lip and go along with what your superior officer says, or if you sincerely feel you can't, then you have to step down. Or be dismissed.
This IS a dismissable offense. And he should pay the proper price for it.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)mountain grammy
(26,638 posts)and he'll stab you in the back every time!
duffyduff
(3,251 posts)and has been since the Bill Clinton years.
He hasn't changed at all.
SunSeeker
(51,607 posts)mcar
(42,357 posts)He should resign in disgrace.
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)You engage your IT department and ask them to create a sub-file of all email where you select only email where Hillary is a party to the email then sort that file and Hillary's email file on date/timestamp and create a file of email where an email does not match Hillary's file. If that file contains zero records then there is no "potential". Or if it contains a handful that are of a personal nature where Hillary has already said she deleted those. But this list shouldn't take more than a couple of hours to create. Indeed, this task should have been performed already -- no wishy-washy "potential" issue. Comey looks like a fool here.
enid602
(8,629 posts)This is nothing less than an attempted preemptive coup d'état. Look at the recent history of Brazil and the 'impechment' of Dilma Rousseff to see where the Republicans are getting their inspiration.
duffyduff
(3,251 posts)THERE IS NOTHING HERE. PERIOD.
STOP IT. PLEASE.