Getting involved with Weiner is going to be the worst thing that ever happened to her.

the bad boys in her life and their ........

Really, she has been victimized by the craziness around her, by her love of her child, and also by the brilliance (and madness) of Anthony.

Nice person, as far as I can see. Very caring.

With EVERY device she logs into that account with FOREVER...UNTIL she deletes the damn emails...which she likely did not due because she was told not to.


My GOD do any of these morons investigating or reporting this stuff even know how incoming email servers work???

These would be the SAME emails they already saw on other devices.

servers work???"

For as long as this whole email thing has been going on, I have wondered the same thing about
Hillary and her staff.

Bloody hell...do they have people who don't understand how incoming email servers work investigating this email issue? No wonder it's taking so damn long!

Put someone who knows what they are doing on the job. This should NOT take so long...Christ!

the emails are the same...

This is why this story makes no sense. The contents of email accounts don't change when you log in using a different device.

Printing a document also leaves a trail which can be uncovered also emails could been found in the browser cache

And that she forwarded them to herself for that purpose. She disclosed this information so it has to be the actual emails that they want to look at because they are looking for something new that they think may have been deleted previously.

She turned over her blackberry and other devices which she would have the email set up on through an App...and none of that even matters because most emails today are set up as IMAP by default and ALL mails are stored on the server and get pushed to ALL devices logged in with that account simultaneously. Bottom line...if they looked at those emails on the blackberry and other laptops then the have seen all the same emails because you CANNOT delete an email from an IMAP account on one device and have it still exist anywhere else. When you delete it from any device it is also deleted from the server and goes Poof of ALL devices.

The FBI SHOULD know this and if they don't they need to immediately be fired for being unqualified.

I can open my email on any computer or laptop with an internet access.
Does that mean my email is located on all the devices in the universe?

Or otherwise deliberately change your settings.

At least that's my non-techie understanding.

That video should help you understand why the FBI is feeding everyone a load of crap or they are inept...it's one or the other. I'd be shocked if Huma's mail is NOT set up as IMAP. If it is and they have checked those same accounts on other devices then these are all duplicate emails and those investigators should know this. If they don't then they need to be relived of their duties and they can hire me because I could figure it out in under 5 minutes.

were on her husband's computer.

Are you saying that if she'd ever signed onto her account from his computer, then all her IMAP emails would from then on (and even retroactively) show up on his computer? (Unless she did something to erase them.)

I really appreciate your taking the time to educate me on this.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/clinton-aide-huma-abedin-has-told-people-she-doesnt-know-how-her-emails-wound-up-on-her-husbands-computer/2016/10/29/1d30c2b8-9e15-11e6-a0ed-ab0774c1eaa5_story.html

The person, who would not discuss the case unless granted anonymity, said Abedin was not a regular user of the computer, and even when she agreed to turn over emails to the State Department for federal records purposes, her lawyers did not search it for materials, not believing any of her messages to be there.

If she signed into her email account on YOUR computer and didn't log out and you didn't clear the history or erase cookies then all of her emails would be accessible on your computer too...even the ones from the first day she got the email account as long as she didn't delete them from the server.

The more information you enter is stored for convenience to make things easier for you. The downside is that sometimes more is saved than you would want.

I know this because I work providing tech support for mobile devices and part of my job is to help set up and configure email accounts on the devices. The overwhelming majority of people prefer IMAP because they use multiple devices and want to be able to access ALL messages from all devices and the web client. With POP mail you can only open it on the device you first received the message on and it gets automatically deleted from the server. It's highly unlikely Huma would use POP mail in light of how important it would be to be able to access her accounts across multiple devices.

re: "With POP mail you can only open it on the device you first received the message on and it gets automatically deleted from the server."

Not true. It *can* be set that way, but it does not have to be. In my experience (on Macs), by default, POP mail is not deleted from the server until some days (30?) after it is read; and that default can be changed to anything from immediately to never.

re: "most {mobile devices} are set to IMAP by default"

Again, not in the case of iPhones. There is no "default"... when you open the Mail app for the first time, it prompts you to set it up with your existing email account. If your existing email account is IMAP, it's IMAP. If your existing account is POP, it's POP. There's no "default" on the phone, it's whatever you tell it. Unless maybe you don't have any existing email account and are setting up your first email account for the first time, but I doubt that applies to many iPhone purchasers.

I was typing my reply while you posted yours. I can see you've got this.

1. Go in and change the default configuration from IMAP to POP (most accounts default to IMAP)
2. Then adjust the settings for whether or not and how long to keep on the server.
3. If any of these folks actually KNEW how to do any of these things there would be no email scandal in the first place.

The default in Eudora is POP. I'm no computer genius, but the settings are there on the same Options tab where you set everything else up, so you have a conscious decision to make when you (or whoever's doing it for you) do your initial setup. If you don't set it up, it just won't work at all.

Two of us have pointed out to you your misconceptions, but you apparently don't want to know. Which is just as well since it doesn't matter a hill of beans in the grand scheme of things.

Again...most MODERN email providers are IMAP by default because it allows freedom to receive mail seamlessly on ALL devices by default without making any special configurations.

I spent an absolute age a few months ago trying to set up IMAP for a terminally ill neighbor's email account with her spanking new laptop running a brand new copy of Outlook Professional.

It plain wouldn't work, no matter what I tried. There were bitter, persistent complaints from the system about her ISP supposedly blocking some port, and advising she should contact them to ask to unblock it. Googling showed a whole host of users having the same problem, but no workable solutions.

My solution? I set it up to use POP3 instead. All working hunky-dory in two minutes, after a few hours' frustration.

That can be adjusted in the settings.

If it's a regular email address you can use the following link to look up the default settings.

Just enter in the email address and it will show you what to use.

https://www.apple.com/support/mail-settings-lookup/

Of the ports available for IMAP, they either didn't work or the error messages maintained that they were being blocked by the ISP. It wasn't a unique problem, as I've explained elsewhere that Google was full of the same issue.

default settings or have someone else do it. Or their computer is ready to use out of the box. (I've never immediately gone into settings with my Apples.)

Anyone who would say, "The default in Eudora is POP" knows far more about computers than the typical user.

No offense intended, seriously, but I'm not even sure that it matters that I don't.

See my other replies on this thread if it's important.

Newer devices just have you enter your email username and password and import the default server settings. You only need to go in and configure it yourself if you use your own domain email for the most part. If you haven't gotten any new computers or are not using newer operating systems then you may not have seen this yet.

Look, I explained elsewhere on this thread the contortions I had to go through setting up my neighbor's laptop with Outlook Pro. It was a subscription version - you don't get much more up-to date than that. If it had worked out of the box, she wouldn't have asked for my help.

I really am done here.

that "'Most don't' isn't a valid backtrack argument unless you have survey data to prove it."

You don't need survey data to prove that most non-techie computer users know less about computers than you do, and would be much less likely than you to go into Settings and change them.

NoGoodNamesAreLeft was insisting that emails are automatically deleted from the server if you use POP. That just isn't true, and a couple of us have pointed out that it's down to an email client setting.

If someone couldn't get IMAP to work, as I've explained above happened to me with my neighbor's laptop, then POP3 is a lot simpler to set up, even for a relative novice.

This is all pointless conjecture, IMHO. We don't seem to even know what system they were using, let alone who set up what and why.

IMAP is certainly recommended nowadays. Funnily enough, if you do a simple Google search for info on email configuration (as I had to do when dealing with my neighbor's laptop, in the process learning more than I ever wanted or needed to know about ports, none of which resolved her problem), this is one of the top results: https://help.aol.co.uk/articles/what-is-the-difference-between-pop3-and-imap

It peddles the same misinformation a couple of us have been trying to address on this thread (my bold), before we hit the weeds with side issues (I really only popped my head in here to chime in on that point, I wasn't intending to make a night of it or I'd have brought a beer and sandwiches, and maybe a sleeping bag):

And this is what Yahoo says about how POP and IMAP differ:

IMAP (Internet Message Access Protocol) is a newer protocol that allows you to remotely access and manage your email. What you do in the app affects email on the email server.

2-way sync - Emails stay on the server and are accessed remotely.
Full access - Access every email from every folder using the app.
Record of sent email - Email you send using the app is saved on the server.
Manage mailbox once - Emails deleted or moved in the app are deleted or moved on the server.
POP (Post Office Protocol) is an older protocol that copies emails from the email server to the app. Actions performed in the app don't affect email on the email server.

1-way sync - Only downloads email from the server.
Limited access - Only download emails from the Inbox and Spam folders.
No record of sent email - Emails sent from the app are not saved on the server.
Manage Inboxes independently - Deleting or moving email in the app isn't reflected on the server.
Keep email on server options - Different settings allow you to leave a copy of your email on the server, or delete it when it's downloaded.

Fact is, it's irrelevant.

Two of us simply interjected earlier to correct a myth about POP3 that's propagated not just by yourself, but other online sources - that it deletes the emails from the server, period. We just pointed out that this isn't necessarily so, and that's an undisputable fact.

Endless debates about how Abedin's email might have been set up and what defaults may have been tweaked by whom won't take anyone anywhere that matters. Hell, in the last couple of days I've seen claims about how many emails we're talking about that range from 3 to the thousands, so we - and apparently even the FBfreakingI at the moment - don't know what we're looking at, let alone how it got there!

Using either POP or IMAP, the same result could have happened. Leave aside what settings would have to be tweaked to do that and by whom, it's not an important detail in the whole story.

So your initial argument that there is a plausible reason why Abedin could have had a scad of emails inadvertently stored on her laptop is entirely valid whatever protocol she was using.

That's all that matters.

It depends on the server (or email service you're using).

If you're using gmail, sure.

If you're using, say, a private server that was set up in 2008, probably not.

huma@clintonemail.com for example (or whatever it was) could well have been pop when it was set up, and could have remained so for the duration. Setting up any new device to retrieve email from that account would necessarily have to be set up as pop for that particular account.

By default, an iPhone does not delete email from a POP server when it is retrieved. However, you can override the default.

If you are in a position where you have to travel around a lot and you use multiple devices and having access to important communications is as crucial as it would be for them there is no way they would set it up as POP. They most likely had a VPN set up for the private server that they could log into from anywhere. Their IT person would never set up a POP server for email where so many devices were concerned. It just would not be practical. Do we know the webhost that they used for clintonemail.com? It sounds like the main mails in question now are from a yahoo.com account. For all we know the private server email could be hosted by gmail. My old college used gmail to host student mail but used their own email domain name.

Honestly...there are some things they could have done...but a lot of those could haves just really don't make much sense.

Not likely in 2008. Gmail did not officially exit the "beta" period until 2009.

Really, there is nothing inherently wrong with POP. I don't see why you say (in 2008 no less!) about their private server setup:

"there is no way they would set it up as POP. They most likely had a VPN set up for the private server that they could log into from anywhere. Their IT person would never set up a POP server for email where so many devices were concerned. It just would not be practical."

ISPs have supported that forever. Also, though, the world was certainly not as mobile-centric then. (Though as another post pointed out, contrary to something I'd said earlier, as long as the server supports the protocol, the user can have the option to use either protocol.)

If a person or organization has major privacy concerns, an imap system like gmail may not be what you want to use anyway. At least according to an article at PC World

Dear God...I think it's safe to say that they had a pretty new laptop that auto congifures yahoo accounts to goddamned IMAP.

Jesus H. Christ.

http://www.howtogeek.com/197207/email-basics-pop3-is-outdated-please-switch-to-imap-today/

I just decided to put the other party on ignore. Just look at the links I provided.

Whether any of the email in question was from that server, and whether that server was set up to be accessed via IMAP vs POP, I don't know. My point is simply that you don't know either.

I'll survive, having tried to disengage several times without success.

Her mounting agitation seems ultimately to hinge on the FBI supposedly being able to figure all this out in five minutes if they followed her sage expert advice and learned about IMAP.

This article, if accurate (ironically, from Yahoo! News), shows that life's not that simple:

Seems to me this would be a great time for him to work out a plea deal.

it's a question of whether they have a warrant to view Abedin's emails on the laptop, which is what this kerfuffle's all about. From "insider" comments reported in various media, it seems they don't, and they think they need one.

Weiner is a different case, and I don't think there's any suspicion Abedin was implicated in what he got up to online!

In that case, they would need a password... which again, does not require a warrant, but merely her cooperation.

If her emails were mixed in with his under his account, then if they have access to his emails, they kind of automatically have access to hers. But again, if there's a question of permission, she could grant it.

It depends on the email client you're using.

I run a small business. We access and administer our email on two laptops using webmail. Periodically, I download all the messages for local backup using Eudora and POP.

The program has simple settings in Options to Leave mail on the server even if downloaded. I can also choose to uncheck Delete from server after {x} days and Delete from server when emptied from Trash. That way I have total control over when I delete them from the online mailbox (which I usually do via the webmail interface).

ETA to clarify: I could access and download our emails via Eudora on both our laptops (in fact, we used to work this way rather than using webmail). As long as I had both installations set up as above, the emails would only be deleted from the server if and when we chose, and we'd have full copies on both laptops.

Huma was using multiple devices.
Neither her or Clinton seem to be very email settings savvy like you and I are.
Let's be realistic...she would not be going in and adjusting those accounts as POP accounts because she needed to be able to access ALL of her emails on her computer, blackberry and phone like any assistant worth their weight.

There is absolutely NO logical reason for Huma to be using POP mail.

On modern devices it's all set up automatically...you just log in and the email providers default settings are automatically configured into the device. Again, I do tech support for mobile devices where I actually help people set this stuff up, so I do know what I'm talking about.

Seriously, this discussion's in danger of disappearing up its own fundament, if it hasn't already.

So does Windows 10. Not sure about 8 as I didn't use that Operating System.

Again...devices over the last few years let you choose from a list of the most common email providers and it auto configures for you. If you have a special provider then you need to get the server information from the email host and enter it in. Most providers use IMAP as their default settings and they can be adjusted if desired.

using Outlook Professional.

I had an entirely rational reason for using POP3 rather than IMAP: the IMAP configuration plain wouldn't work manually, and neither would auto-configuration. It's not as if it was an obscure email host - it was Hotmail! Compared to IMAP, there were far fewer settings necessary to get POP3 working.

Anyhoo, I don't think all this conjecture is going to affect the outcome of the election one way or another. So if you don't mind, I'm off to do something more productive.

I just want to repeat something I said to pwnmom above, because this is a rabbit hole nobody really needed to dive down when discussing the whys and hows of Abedin's email system:

While you have been on your one man mission to resurrect POP mail you completely missed the entire point.

The REASON it matters is because IF the accounts on that laptop are configured using IMAP then they are looking at the SAME DAMN EMAILS they have already seen and they can find that out in FIVE MINUTES and would not have had to send out that letter and potentially impact an election.

My "one-man mission" as you describe it (funnily enough, a mission shared by another DUer) started out to correct a simple misconception about POP. That was all I intended to say about it till you took us all off on a pointless tangent.

How the FBI goes about its investigation is its own affair. If you think they'd do something as logical as you suggest and release the results five minutes later, then maybe you're not familiar with how bureaucracies work, let alone he politicization involved in these investigations - "had to send out that letter". Woah to buy into Comey's framing.

Depending how many emails we're talking about, a particularly well-trained gibbon could visually skim the headers of a few thousand in a few hours and discount the forwards at least, which seem to be the bulk, if not all, of the emails in question.

Now, since you're seemingly on the verge of becoming offensive for no good reason, and from what I can see, eager to manufacture out of nothing an endless argument that very few others have any interest in prolonging and will have precisely zero impact on anything of importance, I'm going to consider this exchange truly at an end this time. Good night to you.

Many of these reporters don't even know how to report on a story, so you KNOW darn well that they don't know anything about how incoming email servers work.

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and chose to "reveal" their existence as a maybe who knows "scandal." And the MSM is STILL calling it a "Clinton email scandal"

If the FBI had them, and failed to assess them originally, that's simple incompetence. If they knew of their existence as part of the original investigation and only now making it an issue, that's bordering on criminal interference with an election.

The senate from dem takeover so his buddy from Utah can conduct endless "investigations."

"Comey’s vaguely worded letter omitted highly relevant facts and seems to have been designed to maximize Republican innuendo against Clinton during the crucial closing weeks of the presidential campaign. Comey sent his letter in violation of the wishes of his boss, Attorney General Lynch. His letter was also in violation of Justice Department policy not to comment on investigations within 60 days of an election to avoid influencing the outcome.

James Comey’s reckless behavior requires that he immediately resign from his position as Director of the FBI, or if he fails to do so, then he must be fired with cause by President Obama.

Furthermore, Comey has demonstrated a disturbing refusal to abide by the norms of the Justice Department only in the case of the investigation of Hillary Clinton. He has not provided any similar public updates on the FBI investigations regarding the Trump campaign’s possible connections to the Russian government or Russian hackers. This may indicate that Comey’s known political bias (he is a Republican) may be influencing how he does his job as FBI Director, during the most important phase of a presidential election.

In light of the evidence, an investigation should be opened into James Comey’s possible violation of the Hatch Act. Has he politicized the FBI to try to influence the election? This would be political corruption of the highest order. This is a grave matter which makes any further discussion of Hillary Clinton’s emails look trivial in comparison."

The emails were on a personal laptop. It's like the difference between a company laptop home or using your own.

She told the FBI that she forwarded some emails that Hillary needed to have printed out to those personal accounts due to an inability to get the print server to work for her. All of this was fully disclosed.

I'd bet that all this is just them finding that she had a login on a shared computer and she was signed into her yahoo.com (IMAP) mail (or whatever email) and the server pushed all those emails to the computer...emails they have already seen when looking at other devices.

ANYONE who knows how email works would KNOW this. It works just exactly like iCloud Contacts. If you add a contact to your iPhone it will sync to your Macbook or iPad...and it will disappear from both if you delete a contact. IMAP mail works the exact same way...it's NOT new mail...it's just another copy of what they have already seen.

This was released to wreak havoc. If Comey and the FBI investigators honestly don't know what I just described then they ALL need to be fired because that would mean they are absolute morons and unqualified.

emails were on it. Assuming it was Weiner's, she may have logged in several times and not realized that her emails would automatically sync on to it.

And never logged out of.

For instance, she could be a listed user on the laptop where she kept herself logged into her email using Outlook or mail app if it's a Mac laptop. If the account is an IMAP then her mail would continue to push to the client on that laptop even if she hadn't actually signed into her user account for years. All it would need would be an internet connection.

compromised the FBI as a Independent Investigative Agency. From now on who is going to trust the agencies head?

She's ALWAYS been asking for the public release of ALL of her emails anywhere.

That isn't what a very secretive person would do.

She has a normal wish for privacy and isn't a a big extrovert, like her husband or Biden. That doesn't make her "secretive."

Aren't they tired of kicking the dead horse again again and again and again. I mean the horse has long since been decomposed stop trying to animate the story back to life.

Subject turned over all known matesi also in question, FBI should know IT and devices, also email protocols. FBI is suspect in this.

"preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States".

So what's your point?

all the news the better. Better than 10 days of info dribbling out.