2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDo You Think Russians Have Also Hacked Trump & Co?
I know they have not released anything to Wikileaks, but given how they engaged in wide ranging hacks of the DNC, who would not doubt that they also have terabytes of data on Donald Trump?
And, if you were Donald Trump and understood that the Russians likely had similar emails and data to that disclosed regarding the Democrats, if not more, how would you act toward Russia?
MyNameIsKhan
(2,205 posts)He is the one who orchestrated the hacks... he is gone from lime light but still functioning in deep cover.
Wilms
(26,795 posts)Many are hoping for Manafort's ties to be an issue without considering who else has ties.
Don't go there.
OnDoutside
(19,962 posts)Porous as the DNC. Oh what stories they could tell !
Wilms
(26,795 posts)Good to know.
TomCADem
(17,390 posts)It has been Russia even though it makes little political sense to be pro-Russia. The one issue that Trump took a hard line on for the RNC platform was Russia.
On this Board, folks suggest that Trump is getting some payoff. I think it makes more sense that the Russians have just as much dirt on Trump as they do for the Democrats.
Wilms
(26,795 posts)How about trying to get along with them? Does that make any kind of sense? Another freakin Cold War over nothing but political posturing, oil, and arm sales.
Nothing new. Everyone can go about their business.
TomCADem
(17,390 posts)Trump has mused about allowing the spread of nukes, not honoring U.S. commitments to NATO, siding with Russia and Iran in the Syria conflict, and repeatedly disputed U.S. intelligence agencies that the attacks are originating from Russia based on no evidence whatsover (remember the reference to the 300 pound hacker?)
Also, as noted in the story below, Russia is not exactly shy about trying to influence elections in foreign countries. So, this is not about starting a new cold war, but it is about safeguarding the integrity of hour political system, which Trump is engaging in a mission to undermine with Russian help.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/10/seven-reasons-the-new-russian-hack-announcement-is-a-big-deal-214330
2. Russia is on a mission. Why is Russia doing this? Well, yes, it is to interfere with the U.S. election process, but there is also a far broader goal. The point, as many Russia watchers have pointed out, is to sow chaos and undermine Americans trust in their system of governance and its institutions.
The point is also to help Trump win the election. Trump has not only spoken warmly about Putin, he has also spoken extensively about ushering in a new era of isolationism, which would be right up Putins alley. It would allow Russia to take up even more room on the world stage, filling up the space left by a reluctant U.S. When the Obama administration hesitated to get more involved in Syria, for example, Russia immediately stepped into the void, not just militarily. It has become the key broker of the conflict, rather than the U.S. or regional powers like Turkey and Iran. Putins goal has always been to undo the 1990s when Russia was freshly defeated in the Cold War, becoming an ignored and marginal player in world affairs. He has steadily clawed back Russias geopolitical might and relevance, saying he was raising Russia up off its knees. So why not support a candidate who says he is ready to cede influence and accord Putin the respect he craves? And why not support a candidate whose very candidacy wreaks havoc on Putins greatest enemy from within? Why do the work yourself when you can have Trump do it for you?
3. We've seen this pattern developing for years. Back in 2014, Maxim Trudolyubov, a prominent Russian columnist, wrote an op-ed in the Times in which he argued that the asymmetrical warfare we were witnessing in Ukraine, and the systematic campaign of disinformation targeting Europe, were simply Putin taking his domestic tactics international. He was absolutely right.
There are no better election-rigging artisans than the Russians. Ever since Putin came to power in 2000, his henchmen have developed all kinds of precise ways to engineer their elections: tampering with voter rolls, fooling around with the analogues of absentee and early ballots, and manipulating the informational space around the election, so that even if the elections werent rigged, and voters werent bused around different polling stations to vote several times (the notorious so-called carousel), the election would come out in the Kremlins favor.
This meant disqualifying opposition candidates on technicalities and simply blacklisting them from national TVstill Russians main source of newsso that they had no brand recognition whatsoever. It also meant dirtying their reputations by concocting criminal cases against them so theyd be legally barred from running for office, or entrapping them with potentially incriminating informationlike using a prostitute to lure them into a bugged apartment for a romp, and then dumping the video in the lead-up to an election. One helpful consequence is that all of this makes the opposition squabble with itself, focusing its energies on blaming one another and distracting them from their real goal of chipping away at Putins political monopoly. Sound familiar?
Wilms
(26,795 posts)You could take that article and flip it around to notice who else is doing what/where.
The hacker allegation may be no more than yellowcake. And check out Ukraine with search terms like Nuland, USAID, NED. Look up who Kagen is and where he's been.
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)makes sense.
tanyev
(42,589 posts)TomCADem
(17,390 posts)Yes, the only e-mails being disclosed on Wikileaks are ones from Democratic sources, but that does not mean that Russia has only hacked the DNC and the HRC campaign. This only means that the Hackers have chosen to disclose materials from the DNC and the HRC campaign. As to why the Russians might not be disclosing Trump campaign materials, there is always this:
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/2016-conventions/donald-trump-remarks-nato-trigger-alarm-bells-europe-n613911
Donald Trump set off alarm bells in European capitals Thursday after suggesting he might not honor the core tenet of the NATO military alliance.
Trump said the U.S. would not necessarily defend new NATO members in the Baltics in the event of Russian attack if he were elected to the White House.
He told The New York Times in an interview published Thursday that doing so would depend on whether those countries had "fulfilled their obligations to us" in terms of their financial contributions to the alliance.
"You can't forget the bills," Trump told the paper. "They have an obligation to make payments. Many NATO nations are not making payments, are not making what they're supposed to make. That's a big thing. You can't say forget that."
Trump's comments were perceived by some analysts as carte blanche for Russia to intimidate NATO allies and a potential harbinger of the alliance's collapse were Trump to be elected.