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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

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Sun Oct 30, 2016, 04:29 PM Oct 2016

538: How Much Do ‘October Surprises’ Move The Polls?

People are already calling it an “October surprise” — an unexpected moment late in the campaign that could change the trajectory of the election. The news that the FBI is looking into a new batch of Hillary Clinton’s emails (found on the computer of Anthony Weiner) is certainly surprising. And it came in October. But it will take several days to measure its effect on the race, and the real surprise would be a wild swing in the polls. That’s because even the most memorable October surprises of recent history weren’t the game-changers they’re sometimes portrayed to be.

There’s no official list of October surprises, a term that is loosely defined, but I chose six events from past campaigns that would seem to meet the definition, using the benefit of hindsight.

President Lyndon Johnson announces a halt to the bombing of North Vietnam on Oct. 31, 1968, leading to peace talks.
Polling average the week before: Richard Nixon +3.

Polling average in the final week: Nixon +1.

Result: Nixon +1.

Vice President Humphrey couldn’t unify the Democratic base, largely because Johnson, who had escalated the increasingly polarizing Vietnam War, was so unpopular. Johnson’s bombing halt is sometimes referred to as the “first” October surprise, and so you might expect it to have had a clear effect on the polls. The truth, though, is more muddled. Although Nixon had held a large lead through most of October, it was down to just 3 percentage points even before Johnson’s announcement. The polls moved towards Humphrey by another 2 points after the announcement. That’s not nothing, but it wasn’t enough.

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http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-much-do-october-surprises-move-the-polls/

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538: How Much Do ‘October Surprises’ Move The Polls? (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2016 OP
No mention of Casper Weinberger being indicted 4 days before the 1992 presidential election? PoliticAverse Oct 2016 #1
Thanks for sharing. Music Man Oct 2016 #2

Music Man

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2. Thanks for sharing.
Sun Oct 30, 2016, 05:19 PM
Oct 2016

538 is usually pretty good about offering perspective on electoral discussions. Another October surprise that didn't amount to much was the 2004 controversy surrounding the explosives in Iraq that suddenly went missing.

As I get older, I learn about the importance of not reacting emotionally to bad news, and remembering that my second thoughts are often my most productive.

At this point, people have either picked a candidate or they'll be staying home. If there's any effect from the email story, it will be to fire up Trump's supporters ("SEE!??! SHE CAN'T BE TRUSTED!!! THIS JUST CONFIRMS IT!!) rather than to depress the Clinton turnout. There's nothing in this email story different from previous stories (except for its proximity to the election and that it especially relies on innuendo to impugn Clinton), so it seems unlikely to me that even fence-sitters would suddenly change their mind or decide not to vote.

If Clinton loses, it won't be because of this email story. It will be because Trump's coalition and demographics are so bizarre that the polls have misread this election completely. The election's already been decided, and we'll find out next Tuesday night what that means.

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