How did democrats sweep the state offices and then lose the national races? McGinty was never trailing toomey. Hillary was never trailing trump.

Yeah, I know they say she "underperformed" in the SE corner... but how were the polls so wrong for months on end? Yes, we have those paperless electronic voting machines here. Very suspicious.

But I do believe they have 3 Republican Governors - Snyder in MI, Walker in WI, and Branstad in IA? I don't think of those honorable governors would conspire to do something like that? But it seems like those "paperless, electronic voting machines" might be tempting to manipulate??

And just because Hillary lost a close one gives absolutely no justification for claiming "rigged election".

That was an indicator that MI was a gamble.

Bernie won Wisconsin also, if I remember correctly??

It is supposedly one of the "safer" methods.

Pennsylvania reportedly uses a large number of the electronic voting machines with no paper trail, and was named in articles as being the biggest danger point for possible hacks.

I don't recall how they do it in Wisconsin.

... I can tell you Trump signs outnumbered Clinton signs by 100-to-1. It was that bad. Add the 24/7 assault on hate radio and a MSM that mentioned "Trump" every minute of every day, and you have Pa. gone red. Western Pa. was especially tainted. Many towns/municipalities in the Pittsburgh area that voted for Obama in 2012 went all in for Trump in 2016.

I live in "Trumpland" -- they are still displaying their signs, banners and flags here. Disgusting.

Ironically, Trump's own crying wolf may have made it harder to steal votes.

It comes from vote counters.

Unfortunately.

For example, we lost Iowa, a state we won in 3 of the previous 4 elections, by more than we lost Texas (!). This was a state in which all polls said we would lose, and we lost by a lot. There would be little reason for anyone to hack Iowa, since polls indicated it wasn't even a swing state. Yet one would not expect to see a huge difference between Wisconsin and Iowa. It would be unlikely for us to lose Iowa big and comfortably win Wisconsin. But that's what the polls said. One of them was probably going to be wrong.

Ultimately, any hypothetical hacking operation would need to hack many completely separate election systems, that in many cases aren't even connected to the internet. There would be a high risk of getting caught. Occam's Razor seems particularly applicable here -- we just lost.

Plus, nobody here would buy into Drumpf claims of a rigged election if Hillary Clinton had won.

We lost a close election. That's it. No rigging necessary. And certainly no evidence for such.

Colorado and New Mexico are similar to Iowa and Wisconsin in that regard.

Math Increasingly Suggests Election Fraud Against Hillary Clinton - WATCH VIDEO

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Reposted from poster here at DU:
Curious thing about those North Carolina Numbers
North Carolina was a very closely watched state, not only for POTUS, but also for the Senate and Governor race.

Here are the vote totals

Trump 2,339,985
Clinton 2,162,962

Others 186,205

Total 4,689,152

Clinton lost by 177,023 (less than the number of total votes for others)

Senate

Burr 2,371,679
Ross 2,103,510

Other 165,180

Total 4,640,369

There are 48,783 FEWER votes cast in the Senate Race which was hard fought and close.

Governor

Cooper 2,282,052
McCrory 2,277,070

Other 101,068

Total 4,660,190

There are 28,962 FEWER votes cast in the Governor race than for POTUS which was really contentious and nasty.
McCrory is disputing the loss (Cooper is only leading by 4,982 votes) and we may be tied up in legal battles for some time. There has yet to be a request for an official recount.

OK, here's the kicker. The really weird one, in my opinion.

We had a challenge to a NC Supreme Court judge position. The incumbent, Edmunds, ran lots and lots of commercials telling everyone what a swell guy he was. Tough on porn and rapists. Tough on hardened criminals. Undoubtedly he was funded by out of state money. He was one of the guys on the NC Supremes who supported gerrymandering. The race was known to be a serious challenge to Republican control of the NC Supreme Court (and the Legislature is now talking about packing the court.)

Here are these votes

NC Supreme Court Judge

Morgan 2,134,821
Edmunds 1,786,011

Total 3,920,832

There are 768,320 FEWER votes cast in this one judge race than for POTUS. Is it really possible that so few Republicans didn't vote down ticket when this guy was running ads like crazy?

Morgan, the unidentified Dem (they didn't allow Dem/Repub identification on the ballot) who had no money for ads (I think I saw one the day before the election) wins by 348,810 votes over the guy who was running ads constantly! WTF?

And, in fact, Morgan gets only 28,141 fewer votes than Hillary, while the Republican--who was running ads all over TV for a month-- gets 553,974 votes less than Trump!

WTF?

You expect to see fewer total votes down ballot (straight ticket voting was eliminated by the Republicans) just because it takes time. I wouldn't expect to see such a disparity in the Republican totals, though, when there is much less disparity among the Dems. It really makes me wonder if votes were shifted from Dems to Repubs in the top three races for POTUS, Senate, and Governor--and they made their margin of error too close in the Governor's race!

When the early returns were coming in, Hillary was ahead of Trump by about 150,000 votes from the early voting period here in NC. That's a tough lead to lose based on lots of small counties voting Republican--which they usually do--but the lines were long on election day here, too.

Russian hackers targeted Arizona election system
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-is-investigating-foreign-hacks-of-state-election-systems/2016/08/29/6e758ff4-6e00-11e6-8365-b19e428a975e_story.html


Feds believe Russians hacked Florida election-systems vendor
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/12/politics/florida-election-hack/index.html

Cybersecurity expert: One battleground state most vulnerable to voting hacks- Pennsylvania
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ex-nsa-expert-if-i-were-an-election-day-hacker-id-hit-pennsylvania/


How to Hack an Election in 7 Minutes
With Russia already meddling in 2016, a ragtag group of obsessive tech experts is warning that stealing the ultimate prize—victory on Nov. 8—would be child’s play.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/08/2016-elections-russia-hack-how-to-hack-an-election-in-seven-minutes-214144


Voting machines are still too easy to hack
Worried about a 'rigged' election? You should be, but the risk lies in outdated technology and untrained bureaucrats, not voter fraud
http://www.infoworld.com/article/3114784/security/voting-machines-are-still-too-easy-to-hack.html


A hackable election: 5 things you need to know about e-voting machines
E-voting machines without paper trails are still used in several U.S. states, leading to fears that a 'determined adversary' could hack this year's election
http://www.networkworld.com/article/3099012/a-hackable-election-5-things-you-need-to-know-about-e-voting-machines.html

"Give me a cell phone and a laptop, and I'll make any one of those machines give you any result you want it to."

That was in 2002 after the fishy midterms. A German report on those machines said they still run on Windows 2000 with all its vulnerabilities. I'm not some high tech guy with a top DoD security clearance, so I don't know the technology, but apparently an internet connection is not required to get into those machines remotely.

Hacker demonstrates how voting machines can be compromised
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/rigged-presidential-elections-hackers-demonstrate-voting-threat-old-machines/

there's also a chance that Mr. Comey's necromantic ritual involving a dead investigation caused every goddam undecided voter in the upper midwest to break for Trump. bigly.
regardless, we're pretty much stuck with this result, and this president, for a while. it probably won't help our situation to chase after the fraud rabbit, anymore than it did when W won in 2000 and 2004.

Never.

that was bullshit of the highest order, took a goddam war to get rid of it, and even then we had segregation for another century

so i guess the pertinent question is "who is this we, kemosabe?" if it's "we me and my close associates" then maybe never, but if it's "we Americans" then yes, i think we'll end up tolerating it.

Is the other side of the coin.

i can only hope We have a choice this time around

because elitists find a way to control people. Don't think for a minute that they are about to give up doing what it takes to keep their control. Especially when flipping a mere 100,000 votes alters both who is President and who controls the Sennte.

Even if every single state that went Trump did so because of stolen votes, we've been there before. The Democratic Party establishment won't fight it. And, of course, the party and the voters knew for more than a year that the emails, legitimate or not, would be a weapon used against us in the GE. There was no surprise there.

but otherwise, you are correct

The FBI has not directly interfered with an election before, and neither has Russia. Until this election.

We have been here at least twice just this century when it comes to election fraud.

I remember well. Perhaps you may have misunderstood my post.

my comments were about how different this election fraud was. to my knowledge the FBI has never been so involved in directing the outcome of an election as Comey and the FBI "Trumplandia" was in this election, nor has a foreign country done so much to influence an American election as Russia has with its influence on tRump people and with Russian infiltration of election systems.

...paperless -including paper trail- voting, and the servers (tabulators) accessible/vulnerable to a high-level hack. I am just starting to do my R&R (reading and research), but my gut tells me something was indeed off with the election. Further, I think El Douchebag just couldn't resist shooting his narcissistic mouth off when he said he would only accept the voting results IF HE WON.

I now believe that not only did Hillary Clinton win the popular vote, there is a very good possibility that she legitimately won the electoral vote --maybe not by much. But win she did.

I think his last two weeks of appearances in more rural, smaller locations was to give cover to the manipulated final tallies in several key states.

I also think his "it's rigged, it's rigged" was a deliberate attempt to "cry wolf" and then have everyone on our side assure the entire country that the "vote could not be rigged." I believe we got suckered in on several fronts.

I believe the initial gut reaction of disbelief that things could go so wrong so fast, may have been correct.