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pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 03:19 PM Nov 2016

Serious questions raised about vote totals in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania

*** And please see AmBlue's #4 post below, and sign the petition for an audit. ***


http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/fair-election-serious-hard-explain-questions-arise-about-trump-vote-totals-3-key

A series of explanation-defying questions surrounding Donald Trump’s victories in key 2016 swing states has prompted a cadre of voting rights attorneys and electronic voting machine experts to consider formally filing for presidential recounts in coming days.

These recount-justifying anomalies go beyond the discrepancies in media exit polls predicting a Hillary Clinton victory on November 8 and subsequent vote counts where Trump won states that have not backed Republican presidents for decades. Recounts could clarify or verify whether several different forms of electronic hacking could have padded state voter rolls and altered resulting counts.

Former state election directors contacted by AlterNet were extremely skeptical of the election theft theories that accompanied the troubling vote-count patterns. They added that the courts would not change election results unless there was overwhelming proof. Spokespeople for election departments in possible recount states also said their voting systems were designed to block hacking, especially after federal intelligence officials this summer said Russia hacked into two state voter registration databases (Illinois was named) and warned states to be vigilant. Russia also was reportedly behind hacks of DNC and Clinton campaign emails.

The count anomalies and possible explanations cited by the team of voting rights attorneys and electronic voting machine experts, whose experience in these issues dates back to the 2000 and 2004 elections, combined a mix of old and new threats. In some cases, known electronic voting machine vulnerabilities may have been tapped to inflate county-level vote tabulations, they said, suggesting those machines should be impounded and examined. Where Russia may have been involved, their theory goes beyond anything imagined in past elections. They posited that last summer’s Russia hacks of voter registration databases could have yielded sufficient information to create large numbers of phantom absentee ballot voters, inflating the Trump vote in certain swing states that helped win the Electoral College.

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Serious questions raised about vote totals in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania (Original Post) pnwmom Nov 2016 OP
My concern is this... Blanks Nov 2016 #1
I hope they are working hard to cilla4progress Nov 2016 #2
they better work fucking fast... tomp Nov 2016 #6
Open source software now! Snarkoleptic Nov 2016 #3
We all need to DEMAND an audit of the vote.... SIGN THIS PETITION PLEASE AmBlue Nov 2016 #4
There's more to election theft than just hacking. tomp Nov 2016 #8
Exactly Scruffy1 Nov 2016 #30
You don't need hacking when you can use voter roll purges at state levels. Doesn't mean they ancianita Nov 2016 #31
signed bdamomma Nov 2016 #15
So.... on a scale of 1-10- how worried are we that the site is now partially in Russian? LibraLiz1973 Nov 2016 #26
Republicans push through all kinds of voting requirements... yallerdawg Nov 2016 #5
They do that to prevent poor & minorities from coming to the polls JonLP24 Nov 2016 #12
Logical inconsistency is normal for them. N/t. Scruffy1 Nov 2016 #32
Yeap, its been reported already that in the 4 states projected for HRC DPutin won by 1% in uponit7771 Nov 2016 #7
this story is an example why DU was hacked on election day. Botany Nov 2016 #9
Exactly. Coyotl Nov 2016 #17
We all know of the Clockwork Orange's penchant for projection. Hugin Nov 2016 #22
K & R for exposure. SunSeeker Nov 2016 #10
THIS NEEDS TO BE REPORTED. i posted on my FB wall. KICK AND RECOMMEND. post this on Twitter. trueblue2007 Nov 2016 #11
Signed Omaha Steve Nov 2016 #13
Got a reply om FaceBook Omaha Steve Nov 2016 #23
The obvious "tell" in all this is the way the "Master of "Projection" kept saying the world wide wally Nov 2016 #14
YES! Everything they say someone else does, THEY actually do! VOX Nov 2016 #21
K&R bdamomma Nov 2016 #16
The exit polls ahve a huge red shift, unprededented amount of error, inexplicable Coyotl Nov 2016 #18
The election should be nullified. Dream Girl Nov 2016 #19
KNR Lucinda Nov 2016 #20
K&R FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #24
Thanks...signed the petition iluvtennis Nov 2016 #25
has anyone heard any statement from trump on his pre-election "rigged" comments post-election? nt tomp Nov 2016 #27
We better get down with it. Won't be much left in 2 years. lonestarnot Nov 2016 #28
It's a good start. A federal judge needs to issue a nationwide vote audit. Soon. ancianita Nov 2016 #29
All that plus the disfranchisement of likely Dem voters through "Crosscheck". Ligyron Nov 2016 #33

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
1. My concern is this...
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 03:28 PM
Nov 2016

If an election was stolen through tampering, we have until the electors vote to bring it to the nation's attention.

If it was stolen, those who are taking control of our government will not take the necessary steps to prevent it in the future. They are the ones who benefit from the theft.

It's gonna look the way they want it to look for a long time.

 

tomp

(9,512 posts)
6. they better work fucking fast...
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 04:59 PM
Nov 2016

...so pigs and the courts don't play out the clock on us as in 2000.

 

tomp

(9,512 posts)
8. There's more to election theft than just hacking.
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 05:06 PM
Nov 2016

for all votes not counted we need to know why and if the non-counted votes disproportionately affected democrats.

there are a number of other anomalies noted in the counts, and discrepancies in polls, particularly exit polls, vs "final" counts.

Scruffy1

(3,256 posts)
30. Exactly
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 12:50 PM
Nov 2016

Uncounted or "spoiled" ballots would account for these anomalies. The "spoiled" ballot has been used extensively to alter the outcome in Ohio for years.

ancianita

(36,058 posts)
31. You don't need hacking when you can use voter roll purges at state levels. Doesn't mean they
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 12:51 PM
Nov 2016

both didn't happen, but we have more evidence for the latter than the former.

LibraLiz1973

(8,197 posts)
26. So.... on a scale of 1-10- how worried are we that the site is now partially in Russian?
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 07:17 AM
Nov 2016

It damn sure wasn't when I signed earlier.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
5. Republicans push through all kinds of voting requirements...
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 04:57 PM
Nov 2016

to prevent potential fraud and irregularities.

It would be very suspicious if they opposed fixing our voting system when it could obviously be corrupted.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
12. They do that to prevent poor & minorities from coming to the polls
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 05:51 PM
Nov 2016

The Republicans never tell you the real reason why they support something.

uponit7771

(90,344 posts)
7. Yeap, its been reported already that in the 4 states projected for HRC DPutin won by 1% in
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 05:01 PM
Nov 2016

... each one of the states... no more no less.

That in itself is anomalous, just enough votes in each state projected for HRC for a 1% win?!

Yeah right

Hugin

(33,148 posts)
22. We all know of the Clockwork Orange's penchant for projection.
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 07:43 PM
Nov 2016

If you listen carefully he can't resist bragging about what he's about to do.

It's part of his disorder. I personally believe that's why his handlers removed his "twit' ability on or about election night.

world wide wally

(21,744 posts)
14. The obvious "tell" in all this is the way the "Master of "Projection" kept saying the
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 06:16 PM
Nov 2016

election is rigged.
This doesn't take a Sherlock Holmes to figure out.
Now we just need to prove it.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
21. YES! Everything they say someone else does, THEY actually do!
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 07:36 PM
Nov 2016

They OWN the blame-shifting-projection-thing, it's their go-to tactic, along with outright lying 24/7.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
18. The exit polls ahve a huge red shift, unprededented amount of error, inexplicable
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 06:51 PM
Nov 2016

unless one is willing to allow for election rigging:

 

tomp

(9,512 posts)
27. has anyone heard any statement from trump on his pre-election "rigged" comments post-election? nt
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 10:41 AM
Nov 2016

ancianita

(36,058 posts)
29. It's a good start. A federal judge needs to issue a nationwide vote audit. Soon.
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 12:50 PM
Nov 2016

Thanks for this info.

Ligyron

(7,632 posts)
33. All that plus the disfranchisement of likely Dem voters through "Crosscheck".
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 12:54 PM
Nov 2016

Mostly AA and latino names.

Freakin' Koback, and now he's being mentioned for some position already at Trump Tower.

Put it all together and it's a wonder that HRC won the popular vote.

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