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Chuck Schumer Is All In On Bernie Sanders Democratic Party
By Michael McAuliff - 11/19/2016 12:10 pm ET | Updated 7 hours ago
The Vermont senator lost to Hillary Clinton, but the new Senate minority leader thinks his message is a winner.
WASHINGTON Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) lost the Democratic nomination and Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) is the new leader of the Senate Democrats. But the Vermont senators vision and ideas will dominate the Democratic Partys attempt to recover from Hillary Clintons ruinous White House run.
Schumer will be the person who crafts and leads the strategy, but in sitting down to explain it to The Huffington Post on Friday, he revealed how much of it comes from Sanders, as well as Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.).
When you lose an election the way we did, you dont flinch, you dont look away. You look it in the eye and say What did we do wrong? said Schumer, who also had a significant role in Democrats 2016 calculations. To me, overwhelmingly, we did not have a strong economic message. What we need is a sharper, bolder, stronger, more progressive economic message.
Schumer explained that includes staples from the Sanders and Warren wing of the party ― debt-free college, at least some of the free college that was so mocked by the Clinton campaign, a higher minimum wage, a bolder stance on trade, a tougher stance the rigged system of lobbyists and special interests, and major investments in infrastructure, among other ideas....
Read more:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/chuck-schumer-is-all-in-on-bernie-sanders-democratic-party_us_58307a38e4b030997bbfc3cc
InAbLuEsTaTe
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Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
elleng
(131,202 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)You know, election fraud, hate crimes, voter suppression, Russian hackers etc..............
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)elleng
(131,202 posts)think
(11,641 posts)turn of events. Looking forward to learning more on Schumer's thoughts & plans. It'll be very interesting seeing how things progress moving forward.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)OnDoutside
(19,982 posts)to open the door which will allow the next wave of Republican attacks that says there has been a Socialist takeover of the Democratic Party (ironically). We've already seen from this election that the US is still heavily populated with racists, I would venture to suggest that the notion of "Reds under the bed" hasn't gone too far away either.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Below what Sanders insisted on having in the DNC platform.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)OnDoutside
(19,982 posts)to claim the ground on this.
If Bernie Sanders was able to say $12 an hour wasn't enough for people to live on, to Hillary, and he is now willing to accept $10 an hour from Trump, the optics will look terrible.
justhanginon
(3,290 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
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will make it absolutely clear, by espousing the EXACT, perfectly CONSISTENT positions he brilliantly did throughout the campaign... that $10 per hour is NO WHERE NEAR ENOUGH to live on, even though CLEARLY better than the curren $7.25 an hour minimum wage.
I mean, why penalize hard working people with NO RAISE AT ALL, when you can at least get them a TEMPORARY 38% wage hike? People aren't stupid and will understand Bernie's explanation that this is only a PARTIAL MEASURE to getting minimum-wage laborers to 15 bucks an hour.
You just have to believe in Bernie... he'll NEVER give up advocating for what's fair and will get us where we need to be, count on it!... Count on Bernie!!
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
think
(11,641 posts)hueymahl
(2,510 posts)think
(11,641 posts)to that.
By Tom Kludt, CNN
Updated 1:30 PM ET, Wed July 27, 2016
Donald Trump said Tuesday he would support raising the federal minimum wage to $10 an hour, a departure from his previous assertion that wages are "too high."
The Republican presidential nominee was pressed to provide a specific number by Fox News anchor Bill O'Reilly, who said, "there has to be a federal minimum wage."
Trump initially dismissed that suggestion.
"There doesn't have to be," Trump said. "I would leave it and raise it somewhat. You need to help people. I know it's not very Republican to say....
Read more:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/27/politics/donald-trump-minimum-wage/
Bernie still believes we need a living wage which is a $15 minimum wage by 2020. Here is the actual quote which some here are taking out of context:
I happen to believe that the federal minimum wage is a starvation wage, and that it should be raised to $15 dollars an hour, a living wage. Mr. Trump did not say that, but what he did say is we should raise the minimum wage to 10 bucks an hour. Not enough, but a start, and we will hold him to those words.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/bernie-sanders-donald-trump/508007/
TexasBushwhacker
(20,222 posts)California is shooting for $15 by 2022. That's about an 8% hike per year. I think that's something a lot of people could live with. Labor is only part of the cost of running a business. In the case of fast food and retail, they would likely see more business as more folks have more disposable income.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)The guy always says what he means and means what he says... without having to take a poll!
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)but Sanders did not see her point then, what changed him?
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)$10 minimum wages, I do read newspapers, go tell Sanders to read what you said.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)Just obviously disagree for the reasons I stated. Is it something about Bernie that's bothering you?
Demsrule86
(68,715 posts)We need to stand firm against the Republicans...or we will lose everything.
think
(11,641 posts)Bernie is still fighting for a living wage. He still wants to see a $15 minimum wage.
It's sad that this is being taken out of context and Bernie's actual statement is being ignored:
I happen to believe that the federal minimum wage is a starvation wage, and that it should be raised to $15 dollars an hour, a living wage. Mr. Trump did not say that, but what he did say is we should raise the minimum wage to 10 bucks an hour. Not enough, but a start, and we will hold him to those words.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/bernie-sanders-donald-trump/508007/
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!
ancianita
(36,160 posts)think
(11,641 posts)that it's what the people want and how the Democrats need to address things if they want to win. Undoubtedly it will be a hybrid mix that includes aspects of Bernie's issues and philosophy. Hopefully it won't get watered down to the point where voters are still on the fence in trusting the Democrats to follow through.
Bernie came out of nowhere and really showed that people were into his issues and message. They were also willing to donate allowing Bernie to run without taking corporate money. Hopefully more Democratic candidates will follow Bernie's lead in utilizing this style of funding for their campaigns.
Amazing the influence Bernie has had in this election. Hopefully his involvement will help the party regain momentum in the years to come.
ancianita
(36,160 posts)Bernie only came out of nowhere to the American public.
If you're right about Bernie's influence, he did a big effing thing by eschewing corporate money for his campaign. He wanted to teach the Democrats a lesson. Let's hope they've learned, because people will be watching them for the next four years. There's a reason 49% of eligible voters didn't vote.
If you're right, Schumer owes him big time for helping get a corporatist, DLC-driven party back in touch with its past and future constituents. I want to see how long Schumer shows that gratitude and change of strategy.
I want to see how long Bernie's influence lasts. It had better be solidly respected and acted upon for the next four years now that we don't have Hillary in the White House.
think
(11,641 posts)Sorry I didn't make that clear.
In the spring of 2015 I think it was only about 6% of the American people had any idea who Sanders was. Now he's one of the most popular politicians if not the most popular politician in either party.
Like you I hope his popularity will continue and his issues promoted and embraced by the party as a whole. Having the Senate Minority leader claiming he plans to embrace Bernie's ideas goes along way to accomplishing that goal.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)SHRED
(28,136 posts)Let's give this a little time to develop...if it ever does.
First cave to Repubs and I'll call bullshit.
think
(11,641 posts)the progressive issues and policies Bernie championed in the election.
I hope Democrats have come to the conclusion that sticking to progressive values is necessary and will benefit the party greatly in the long run.
Guess we'll see how it goes....
SHRED
(28,136 posts)Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)This is what a lot of people here say! Party over principles.
At least Schumer believes in principles over party. It's a nice start to fixing the problem and getting the shitgibbon out of office in 2020.
elleng
(131,202 posts)and belongs nowhere among Democrats/progressives/independents. Gets us NOWHERE but where we are.
Glad to see Schumer's newly enunciated principle; hope he sticks with it.
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)Bernie is irrelevant! Bernie and his Bernie Bros cost us the election by intimidating HRC supporters into not voting, staying home, or supporting Trump.
It's been said so much. I called it our earlier as saying it is a circular firing squad and if it doesn't stop, 2018 will be a bloodbath.
elleng
(131,202 posts)Thanks for calling it out. I don't want to 'fight,' but the cost of silence is, clearly, too high.
InAbLuEsTaTe
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Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)That makes Bernie THE BEST OF ALL WORLDS. Certainly you can see that... even (just a little bit?) without necessarily conceding the point.
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)I support Bernie 100%
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)though you're prolly in mourning like me. What could have been!! .... Bernie would have shredded that useless pile of pig vomit tRump!!
Lithos
(26,404 posts)If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck = it's a duck. Bernie is a Democrat.
L-
DFW
(54,448 posts)Not even a peep about electoral reform?
Voting machine manipulation? Voting rights suppression? ZIP? NADA?
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)DFW
(54,448 posts)Who cares if minority kids are beaten up by white fraternities thinking it's their constitutional right to do it? At least they didn't have to pay for it.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)and stopping the Orange Orangutan from implementing his racist sexist xenophobic agenda should be job #1.
DFW
(54,448 posts)But what we have, we should make full use of. They certainly didn't show any inhibition about doing it to Obama, and Obama was actually someone with benevolent intentions.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)he's been a pandering weasel.
But, he is one very smart pandering weasel and sees just how well Bernie's message took. And it looks like he sees it as a way back for Democrats in two years.
Trump's support may have been a mile wide, but it's still a millimeter thin and he's just something new and shiny for some to cling on to.
Give us a party leader like Dean again, who is a little more interested in the party winning than his own part in it, and we've got it made.
We need to create excitement for the future of the nation. Trump thinks he's doing that, but it's all hot air.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)which is wise....and Hillary's run was hardly ruinous.
Chakab
(1,727 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)Demsrule86
(68,715 posts)Had he not run in the primary, we would have President Clinton and would have saved the courts.
LostOne4Ever
(9,290 posts)Demsrule86
(68,715 posts)And his willingness to work with the GOP thus giving cover to Republicans and normalizing Herr Trump who is truly evil is appalling.
LostOne4Ever
(9,290 posts)[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]When asked "What was the reason you voted for?" the people unanimously said:
"Bernie Sanders!"
Not because the people wanted change, not because people were tired of dynasties and typical politicians, not because of any economic concern, or because of Hillary's emails (which Bernie never attacked her on) or any of the reasons people actually gave.
They voted for Trump because of Bernie Sanders. The guy who said this:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-candidate
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton_us_563f6c93e4b0b24aee4aa19a
http://www.americanews.com/story/politics/2016/02/05/bernie-sanders-our-worst-days-we-are-100-times-better-any-republican
" on her worst day, Hillary Clinton will be an infinitely better candidate and President than the Republican candidate on his best day."
Yes, definitely Bernie.
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Demsrule86
(68,715 posts)were influenced by Bernie Sanders...who also railed against the Democratic Party. He brought down her numbers and did not deliver his followers after a bitter, divisive primary where he refused to concede. Now, he won't even join the Democratic Party...what does that say to voters and more particularly his 'followers'?
LostOne4Ever
(9,290 posts)[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]They felt that way before anyone declared their candidacy.
On dynasties and money in politics:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/03/25/why-the-dynasty-attack-on-jeb-bush-and-hillary-clinton-doesnt-matter-as-much-as-you-think/
This is dated March 25, 2015.
Bernie didn't declare his candidacy until May 26. Hillary announced April 12, 2015.
Here is another one from march 9th
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/poll-americans-want-change-not-another-clinton-or-bush
Not to mention that her favorability rating dropped a long long time before Bernie entered the race:
http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-29151779
http://www.gallup.com/poll/182351/clinton-favorable-rating-dems.aspx
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/nbcwsj-poll-hillary-takes-hit-still-bests-gop-competition
People have been saying they were dissatisfied with the direction of the Country and Politicians for years now. And, Hillary's numbers were on a downward slide for years.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/1669/general-mood-country.aspx
Bernie didn't influence those people, rather the expressed what they were already feeling.
And he did concede:
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bernie-sanders-finally-concedes-that-hillary-clinton-is-the-presumptive-nominee/
and 85% of us voted for Clinton:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/12/sanders-supporters-clinton-vote-survey
And of course he isn't going to join the Democratic party. If he is going to lead a revolt against Trump he needs to retain his outsider status. Joining the Democratic party would weaken his position.
He is still caucusing with Dems, and supporting them on the issues. That is what tells people what they need to know.[/font]
Demsrule86
(68,715 posts)But I lived through it. I watched Bernie bash Hillary and the Democratic party everyday...he refused to concede until the convention...he should have gotten out way before...by the time he did it was too late...Bernie Sanders cost us the election. He has been a disaster for Democrats.
hueymahl
(2,510 posts)But I prefer to stay in my echo chamber. I feel safer in here because I don't have to face the fact I backed the wrong candidate.
Demsrule86
(68,715 posts)Demsrule86
(68,715 posts)we would have won...I see people all the time pointing out 'evidence' about how Nader did not cost us the election in 2000 ...but he did. Had he not been on the ballot in FL, we would have won. The situations are similar. And I am bitter. I will admit it. We will lose the courts for thirty years. Progressive policy going back to Roosevelt will be lost. Bernie should never have run...too much to lose.
Amaril
(1,267 posts)Clinton was supposed to run unopposed because it was "her turn," and you're all still beside yourselves that some nobody Senator dared to challenge her.
Sorry, we don't do coronations here..........we do elections, and pointing out why you're the better candidate than your opponent is, you know, kinda the point.
Sanders was nowhere near as nasty to Clinton as she was to Obama, and Obama still managed to win the GE, sooooo...........
think
(11,641 posts)and is willing to adopt it so Democrats start winning.
Schumer is being very pragmatic. He's not trying to blame anyone or make excuses for the Democrats loss. He's owning up to short comings and taking the steps necessary to fix the problem.
For what it's worth I am very surprised to see Schumer, as the new Senate Minority Leader, taking the direction he has but congratulate him for doing it. If sincere which I tend to believe he is, Schumer is looking forward and making sure the Democratic party is seen as representing the American people rather than corporate interests by addressing important issues that concern them.
Demsrule86
(68,715 posts)do you understand that? The only thing we can do is not agree to anything...Obstruction is all we have...any deal will be bad for progressives ...count on it. We can't work with a guy who is registering Muslims and has just announced a purge in the military and in the federal workforce. No one should work with Trump...and if Schumer does then he is normalizing a monster.
Chakab
(1,727 posts)flawed candidate who reeked of insincerity and the majority of the general public (including a good portion of the Democratic base) had negative preconceptions of about her. We're in this position now because "it was her turn" and the Democratic establishment decided to foist on the party a person who would be the most unpopular candidate in history if Trump didn't exist.
There's a reason that the Clinton machine got upended by a black political upstart with a Muslim name in '08, ended up having a competitive primary battle with a no name Jewish socialist senator from Vermont and eventually lost to an orange buffoon. (BTW that reason isn't sexism.)
You can blame the last thirty years of triangulation and willingness to sell out liberal positions for convenience. She to Obama primarily due to that idiotic vote for the Iraq war, which gave him early support among the left wing of the party before black voters realized that he was a viable candidate and abandoned her. She lost the Rust Belt to Trump because of NAFTA and because of the hubris of believing that she didn't have to campaign in any of those even after all those people showed up in droves in the Michigan open primary to vote against her.
I'm not even going to address the absurd insinuation that it was somehow inappropriate for Sanders to run against her or for people in the base who are opposed to her (and Bill's) track record on policy to organize against her. However, even if people on the Democratic side had just rolled over and let her be handed the nomination, it wouldn't have stopped any of things, which long predated Bernie, that she was attacked for by Trump and the GOP in the general, and it wouldn't have stopped her idiotic strategy of targeting suburban Republicans while deliberately ignoring blue collar Dems in the firewall states.
Are all of the negative beliefs that people have about Hillary Clinton rooted in reality? Of course not. Was she treated very unfairly by the right? Absolutely, that can't be denied. However, this is real world, and politics aren't fair. It was absolute idiocy to nominate a person who's negatives go through the roof every time that she runs a political campaign.
Demsrule86
(68,715 posts)A few votes and we win...Sanders cost us those votes. And he cost the Democratic Party those votes...don't know if they will come back either.
Chakab
(1,727 posts)Democratic establishment are more interested in taking corporate money then actually representing the interests of Democratic voters.
You Hillary fans amaze me. Nobody is owed a goddamn thing in politics. If people were disgruntled with decades of corporate shilling and triangulation, that's on Hillary and the Democratic leadership and their failure to deliver.
Demsrule86
(68,715 posts)during the primary everyday for months...Trump repeated Bernies words in many rallies. Bernie created divisions in the Democratic Party that have not healed even now ...and many stayed home, voted third party, write in or even for Trump. In fact today. Kellyann Conway quoted Bernie Sanders about the identity comment.
Ligyron
(7,639 posts)Just wait, you ain't seen nothing yet.
Demsrule86
(68,715 posts)I don't think it is hyperbole...and honestly...all the political talk just seems to me rearranging chairs on the Titanic.
Ligyron
(7,639 posts)Even at the height of the Vietnam War Protests and Nixon embroiled in scandal and firing his DOJ for not doing his will. Even WW2 doesn't come close.
This could be bad on a scale we've not seen since the Civil War. Who friggin' knows, we may even have another one soon.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)its way through DECADES of progress in a matter of weeks and months when it took over the legislature and executive mansion. When Rs seize power, they know what to do with it. There aren't enough Moral Mondays in the world to stave off the damage Trump, Pence, et al. are about to wreak on this nation. Absolutely ruinous.
ericson00
(2,707 posts)so hopefully, he's playing for time to please the Sanders wing before reality sets in, and takes Ellison out of the running. He would be the ruination of the party. I'm sad Schumer has caved to Ellison.
Demsrule86
(68,715 posts)We need Howard Dean who can win.
mtnsnake
(22,236 posts)JudyM
(29,294 posts)mtnsnake
(22,236 posts)I honestly think if the rest of our senators were half as tough as Harry we might not be in the position we're in today. When our other senators are critical of the repukes, it's like "Ohh, it's unfortunate that the republicans are doing that" and they leave it at that. Not Harry. He didn't mince his words. He blasted those assholes. His messages resonated.
JudyM
(29,294 posts)under Reid's leadership, as I read it. He famously did not believe McConnell's assertion that the Repukes top priority was making Obama a one term president. Talking means nothing if you don't actually fight them back and gain ground.
liquid diamond
(1,917 posts)rejected Bernie and his unrealistic ideas by 4 million votes. He lost the primaries early in the campaign, but stubbornly persisted which hurt our party. Why would the outcome change in 2020? We are the democratic party, not the socialist party. And some of you Bernie supporters say we "forced" Hillary down your throats? It appears it's the other way around considering you are a minority who tried to impose on the majority. Now that's forcing.
rwheeler31
(6,242 posts)Bernie is helping them, so tired of him getting everything he wants and continuing to cause trouble.
mfcorey1
(11,001 posts)as a democrat. There others who will begin to feel overlooked. The division will continue. Hurried decisions are never good.
mtnsnake
(22,236 posts)Demsrule86
(68,715 posts)I don't want koolaide from Bernie...had he not run in a divisive primary and refused to concede in a timely manner,we would not have lost the courts. President Clinton would be selecting her cabinet. Instead, we have real threats against women, LGBTQ,minorities, Muslims and the undocumented. No one should cooperate. We must fight them. One of the reasons I did not support Bernie although I agree with much of what he said is his lack of attention to important social issues.
ThirdEye
(204 posts)If you think Bernie and Bernie alone is the reason why we have President-elect Trump, you're kidding yourself and simply trying to deflect responsibility from the many other aspects of this campaign.
Don't forget:
Trump won with fewer votes than Romney got.
Hillary won (the popular vote).
Bernie campaigned hard for Hillary. If his supporters were really his puppets to the point where he could make them dislike Hillary, they would have (and did) support her in the GE.
Hillary has legitimate flaws that people were turned off by, that were relevant and talked about before even the primaries. (nothing close to Trump of course)
Don't be on a one trick pony.
Demsrule86
(68,715 posts)The primary ended our chances...it was too bitter there was not bringing the party back together again...bad year to do such a thing with the courts at stake. My kid is gay...so while this may be all fun and games to you...Trump- being elected is a disaster for my family.
Demsrule86
(68,715 posts)to cooperate for social security 'reform', ending medicare through vouchers,privatizing roads and utilities with a fake 'infrastructure' package. The carrot is the $10 minimum wage which was completely unacceptable before but is now somehow acceptable. No one should work with the Republicans period for any reason.
ThirdEye
(204 posts)So here's the thing, Bernie has a record. A long, consistent record. Good or bad.
You on the other hand just have wild accusations that you came up with because he didn't like your candidate of choice, who failed to win the election.
Edit: it's also fair to say Bernie lost the election to. Both in the primaries and in terms of helping get Hillary elected.
Demsrule86
(68,715 posts)I don't ever recall him doing anything substantial in the Senate...and I don't think he should work with Trump... I don't trust Schumer either...I could see deals that are not good for progressive being made and Bernie would give Schumer cover...hardly a wild accusation.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)think
(11,641 posts)supported and campaigned for wrong to be included in the focus for the Democratic party as Schumer seems to think they should be?
What do you think about Democrats having a tougher stance on the rigged system of lobbyists and special interests? Is this bad to be more of a focus for the Democratic party?
Are there any of the issues that Schumer mentions that you disagree with?
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)it BERNIE'S PARTY.
Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)jack_krass
(1,009 posts)VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)is getting older than Betty White.