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Coventina

(27,121 posts)
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 08:20 PM Nov 2016

So, here's what I don't get: Trump was polling at *literally* 0% with AA voters, yet he gets 10% of

their vote on election night?

And, Trump did BETTER than Romney with the Latino vote?

How is that possible?!?!?

How could the polling been *that* off?

Apologies if this has been posted, I've just now been let back in.....

I am upset beyond words about the outcome of this election.

(One bright note, we did manage to retire Sheriff Joe Arpaio, here in Maricopa County!)

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So, here's what I don't get: Trump was polling at *literally* 0% with AA voters, yet he gets 10% of (Original Post) Coventina Nov 2016 OP
Voting machine tampering? guillaumeb Nov 2016 #1
Putin's Hackers Rigged the Election AndyTiedye Nov 2016 #2
I hope there is a thorough investigation into the hacking. Arkansas Granny Nov 2016 #5
The Vapor-Voting machines have served the exact purpose they were purchased for. lagomorph777 Nov 2016 #15
The Russians .... LenaBaby61 Nov 2016 #3
Russia hacked and stole the election. Meanwhile the supposed press is sucking %# at dump tower. onecaliberal Nov 2016 #4
Unfortunately, the premise is false SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #6
Huh, well, I guess I was misinformed then. All I remember hearing about the polls was that Clinton Coventina Nov 2016 #7
She was and she did n/t SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #8
But somehow PA went red? Coventina Nov 2016 #9
African Americans only made up 10% of the voting population in PA SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #11
It went red because it is a big rural state and we have become the party of cities Amishman Nov 2016 #13
SPOT ON Cosmocat Nov 2016 #16
Perhaps, but we're in a bubble. Igel Nov 2016 #14
There were some AmandaRuth Nov 2016 #10
The Latino and AA GOP vote is static, so if less people overall vote both those groups go up for GOP uponit7771 Nov 2016 #12
When you surpress the black vote... SaschaHM Nov 2016 #17

Arkansas Granny

(31,518 posts)
5. I hope there is a thorough investigation into the hacking.
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 08:45 PM
Nov 2016

If they can hack the DNC, I don't think disrupting the election is too much of a reach.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
15. The Vapor-Voting machines have served the exact purpose they were purchased for.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 04:57 PM
Nov 2016

e-voting has only one reason to exist: it is meant to be hackable.

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
3. The Russians ....
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 08:35 PM
Nov 2016

The Perfect Storm helped to give tRump this particular presidency, and part of that perfect storm was hacking into our elections from the Russians.

As for Joe Arpaio, the last I heard was that tRump was looking at him as a possible director of Homeland Security.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
6. Unfortunately, the premise is false
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 08:48 PM
Nov 2016

He wasn't polling at 0% with African-American voters. There were polls out before the election that said he was outpacing Romney with African Americans.

Coventina

(27,121 posts)
7. Huh, well, I guess I was misinformed then. All I remember hearing about the polls was that Clinton
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 08:49 PM
Nov 2016

was killing it with all minorities.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
11. African Americans only made up 10% of the voting population in PA
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 09:01 PM
Nov 2016

Overall, she got 93% of the AA vote (99% of AA women, 83% of AA men).

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
13. It went red because it is a big rural state and we have become the party of cities
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:25 PM
Nov 2016

I'll admit I was surprised by the result but I could certainly see the pro Trump energy in my part of PA. I just assumed Philly would bail js out.

But Hillary lacked Obama's charisma and lost a little ground in Philly and more ground around Pittsburgh. Trump was embraced everywhere in between.

Appealing to urban voters alone won't cut it.

Igel

(35,320 posts)
14. Perhaps, but we're in a bubble.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 04:55 PM
Nov 2016

We also tend to not notice or remember things we don't like. We remember things that fit our internal narratives.

Most people use critical thinking to attack their enemies. The problem is, as Feynman pointed out, you're the person most likely to deceive you and critical thinking is most needed to question one's self. Questioning and doubting enemies is second nature and given tools to do that we'll all do it. But being trained to question ourselves, that takes skill.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Availability_heuristic
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases#Memory_errors

Cogito, ergo erro.

Every 9th grader should be exposed to a long list of cognitive biases and Gricean maxims. Instead, most grad students are barely aware of them, more so in some fields than in others.

AmandaRuth

(3,105 posts)
10. There were some
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 08:55 PM
Nov 2016

Prominent rappers saying that a vote for trump was a protest vote against the Democratic Party taking the black vote for granted. Also, I had some AA facebook friends who fell for the Clinton is the mist corrupt candidate in history smear.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
12. The Latino and AA GOP vote is static, so if less people overall vote both those groups go up for GOP
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 09:25 PM
Nov 2016

... proportionality is the issue here

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
17. When you surpress the black vote...
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 05:20 PM
Nov 2016

You tend to miss those that vote for republicans cycle after cycle. Target the right precincts and that number goes up.

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