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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 09:06 PM Nov 2016

ACTION ALERT: the Justice Department is tallying phone calls asking for election audit.

Last edited Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:29 AM - Edit history (5)

*** Post #22 below has a link to a WA post piece that discounts this story, saying that the Justice Department wouldn't be influenced by public pressure to investigate. But New York Magazine reports on a post by Heba Abedin that says otherwise. In any case, a group of computer scientists and lawyers are pushing for a recount, and the deadlines for filing are as soon as Friday. More on that at the second link below. ***

For those who would rather use an online form, TexasBushwacker provided this link below:

https://www.justice.gov/doj/webform/your-message-department-justice

Here is the Facebook post by Heba Abedin, Huma’s sister:

“The Department of Justice is tallying phone calls regarding those who want the 2016 Vote Audited. A shift of just 55,000 Trump votes to Hillary in PA, WI, and MI is all that is Needed to Win.

They are starting to recognize that there is something really off about the election results as they come in. Considering everything that is at stake, a vote audit should be done.

Call the DOJ at XXXXXXXXXX and tell them you want the votes audited. Even if it’s busy, keep calling. It takes a few times to get through because of all the calls being made.”

SHARE THIS WHERE POSSIBLE. SPREAD THE WORD.

ON EDIT: This appears to be a better number: Call the DOJ at 202-514-2000 and wait for options then choose 4 for Comment Line

Here is the background:

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/11/activists-urge-hillary-clinton-to-challenge-election-results.html?mid=twitter-share-di

Hillary Clinton is being urged by a group of prominent computer scientists and election lawyers to call for a recount in three swing states won by Donald Trump, New York has learned. The group, which includes voting-rights attorney John Bonifaz and J. Alex Halderman, the director of the University of Michigan Center for Computer Security and Society, believes they’ve found persuasive evidence that results in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania may have been manipulated or hacked. The group is so far not speaking on the record about their findings and is focused on lobbying the Clinton team in private.

SNIP

The Clinton camp is running out of time to challenge the election. According to one of the activists, the deadline in Wisconsin to file for a recount is Friday; in Pennsylvania, it’s Monday; and Michigan is next Wednesday. Whether Clinton will call for a recount remains unclear. The academics so far have only a circumstantial case that would require not just a recount but a forensic audit of voting machines. Also complicating matters, a senior Clinton adviser said, is that the White House, focused on a smooth transfer of power, does not want Clinton to challenge the election result. Clinton communications director Jennifer Palmieri did not respond to a request for comment. But some Clinton allies are intent on pushing the issue. This afternoon, Huma Abedin’s sister Heba encouraged her Facebook followers to lobby the Justice Department to audit the 2016 vote. “Call the DOJ…and tell them you want the votes audited,” she wrote. “Even if it’s busy, keep calling.”

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ACTION ALERT: the Justice Department is tallying phone calls asking for election audit. (Original Post) pnwmom Nov 2016 OP
CHALLENGE!!! Raster Nov 2016 #1
done. thanks Squinch Nov 2016 #2
Let's do this! athena Nov 2016 #3
k & r Achilleaze Nov 2016 #4
I keep getting a busy signal. sheshe2 Nov 2016 #5
Try DOJ at (202) 514-2000 x4 ncgrits Nov 2016 #42
Thank you. sheshe2 Nov 2016 #44
I don't care if the WH is against this. We need to know if the system was hacked, tweaked, or what. KewlKat Nov 2016 #6
Let's spread this far and wide on social media platforms! If they're keeping tally, let's run it up! -Steph- Nov 2016 #7
Yes! That's the idea! n/t pnwmom Nov 2016 #8
so the White House... dhill926 Nov 2016 #9
This is hard to believe. femmocrat Nov 2016 #11
gives credence to the idea... dhill926 Nov 2016 #13
yep agree triron Nov 2016 #18
Can't get through. Richard D Nov 2016 #10
First a busy signal.,..., sheshe2 Nov 2016 #12
If it's good enough for republicans in NC angrychair Nov 2016 #14
is the line monitored 24 Hours a day? blue sky at night Nov 2016 #15
There is also a triron Nov 2016 #16
For the love of everything.. CHALLENGE! Amimnoch Nov 2016 #17
K&R PatSeg Nov 2016 #19
K&R! gademocrat7 Nov 2016 #20
Busy SCVDem Nov 2016 #21
IT'S A HOAX!!! DOJ is not accepting phone calls to decide about auditing election results. OldRedneck Nov 2016 #22
I realize that the Justice Department would make its decisions based on facts and evidence. pnwmom Nov 2016 #25
Agreed. LisaM Nov 2016 #26
Thank you for fact-checking! EOM Ruth Bonner Nov 2016 #39
It's not "fact-checking" when it's false. athena Nov 2016 #68
Busy signal for the last 10 minutes Moosepoop Nov 2016 #23
Even if it isn't finished until next year after trump takes the oath, Ilsa Nov 2016 #24
Absolutely agree. tomp Nov 2016 #29
Yes! Time to put it out there. mountain grammy Nov 2016 #30
K' n' R ucrdem Nov 2016 #27
I'm starting to worry about President Obama Lulu KC Nov 2016 #28
Sorry. This is a hoax! WhiteTara Nov 2016 #31
Did you read the first paragraph of the body of my post? pnwmom Nov 2016 #33
... WhiteTara Nov 2016 #35
Then why not edit your post 31, since you just sort of skimmed it? Mc Mike Nov 2016 #59
Thanks for fact-checking! EOM Ruth Bonner Nov 2016 #40
It's interesting, athena Nov 2016 #50
Thank you. I noticed that too. If there is an anomaly, it should be investigated. And there is Squinch Nov 2016 #53
No one talking calls at this hour, will call tomorrow. lonestarnot Nov 2016 #32
I don't give a damn what the White House wants. ooky Nov 2016 #34
You can also contact them through this form TexasBushwhacker Nov 2016 #36
Good idea! pnwmom Nov 2016 #37
It's always better to call. athena Nov 2016 #51
Thanks for the form Farmgirl1961 Nov 2016 #38
Folks on Jezebel are fired up about this. ncgrits Nov 2016 #41
Call the DOJ at 202-353-1555 Sunlei Nov 2016 #43
Busy busy busy underpants Nov 2016 #79
go to the DOJ website, there are plenty of ways to give them your message. Sunlei Nov 2016 #80
Call democratic majority leader Harry Reid as well. ffr Nov 2016 #45
I love Obama, but sometimes he is too timid. raging moderate Nov 2016 #46
I don't understand athena Nov 2016 #52
It is not the job of the Justice Department to ensure that votes are counted... brooklynite Nov 2016 #56
That is false. athena Nov 2016 #65
Got thru; left message. DOJ (202) 514-2000 x4 ncgrits Nov 2016 #47
FYI, facebook is resisting comment posts across organization posts for this breaking info. ancianita Nov 2016 #48
I am sending this wide and far BigBearJohn Nov 2016 #49
What's neat about my telephone plan - raven mad Nov 2016 #54
done. barbtries Nov 2016 #55
She would never in a million years challenge the vote. Vinca Nov 2016 #57
Done. Saw that so far, over 4700 views to this OP. Hope they called! Ninga Nov 2016 #58
Got through right away on the 202 514 2000 x 4 number, at 10:20 a.m. eastern. Mc Mike Nov 2016 #60
I called. Even if it's not the right place to call... bear425 Nov 2016 #61
Just Called Action Nov 2016 #62
"a smooth transition" ????? azureblue Nov 2016 #63
I just called and left a message. athena Nov 2016 #64
Done Gin Nov 2016 #66
Called. LP2K12 Nov 2016 #67
It's too late to challenge. Hillary's already conceded. But... SpankMe Nov 2016 #69
I don't think there's anything official about a concession... it's more of a formality Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #73
Conceding had no legal impact. She could always rescind in light of overwhelming evidence. Dream Girl Nov 2016 #74
Gore had conceded before he challenged. The concession can be taken back in the face of new evidence pnwmom Nov 2016 #76
I would think and election deserves an audit Thav Nov 2016 #70
U.S. Intelligence officials also said Russia targetted state and local election systems KatyBR Nov 2016 #71
called and left a voice message, also left web message Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #72
Done. McCamy Taylor Nov 2016 #75
Tell Heba to tell Huma we miss her! Damn Weiner....its all his fault. jmg257 Nov 2016 #77
Help-- can't get through ailsagirl Nov 2016 #78
Done! pandr32 Nov 2016 #81
Done NYFlip Nov 2016 #82
Done Native Nov 2016 #83
Damn IT challenge the election. It's not what you... usaf-vet Nov 2016 #84

KewlKat

(5,624 posts)
6. I don't care if the WH is against this. We need to know if the system was hacked, tweaked, or what.
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 09:29 PM
Nov 2016

If it doesn't change the outcome of this election, then we will be better prepared for midterm elections.

dhill926

(16,346 posts)
9. so the White House...
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 09:32 PM
Nov 2016

would rather have a smooth transfer of power, than potential justice done. Not to mention saving the country and world from a trump presidency. What in the holy hell of fuck?

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
11. This is hard to believe.
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 09:47 PM
Nov 2016

In the past two weeks we have seen the settlement of the trump u. case and now the "pay to play" at the t-rump foundation. Acts of white nationalism, bigotry toward minorities, and hate-vandalism have abounded. The press has been almost banished. There are protests in many cities and abroad. Would the WH really like to see another 4 years of so much unrest and assaults on our rights? What will this country look like by 2020? It is terrifying.

blue sky at night

(3,242 posts)
15. is the line monitored 24 Hours a day?
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 09:51 PM
Nov 2016

Calling at 8:50 PM EST and it is busy, busy, busy....will be driving tomorrow for four hours can get it done then I guess! F the White House, I am sick about getting hacked!

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
17. For the love of everything.. CHALLENGE!
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 09:55 PM
Nov 2016

Hell, even if there isn't anything at all.. CHALLENGE!!!

That jackass made VERY clear that he wasn't going to accept the election results unless he won.

I absolutely adore our first lady, but enough of this we go high shit.

 

OldRedneck

(1,397 posts)
22. IT'S A HOAX!!! DOJ is not accepting phone calls to decide about auditing election results.
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 10:09 PM
Nov 2016

Washington Post reveals this whole call-DOJ-a-start-an-audit thing is a hoax.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/11/22/the-department-of-justice-is-not-going-to-conduct-a-vote-audit-based-on-your-phoned-in-outrage/?utm_term=.a701fd0dab8d

For supporters of Hillary Clinton, the post circulating on Facebook and Reddit offers hope. The Justice Department, it claims, is “tallying calls” from people who want an audit of the 2016 election. And given the small margins that Donald Trump won by in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin, a shift of about 55,000 votes is all that would be needed to change the outcome.

The problem is, it’s bogus. The Justice Department doesn’t count up calls to determine whether it should launch an investigation. And they will not initiate a national audit — or force particular states to recount their results — based on the volume of outrage they receive from voters.

“The Justice Department does not tally the number of callers to determine whether federal action is warranted,” department spokesman David Jacobs said in a statement. “Investigatory decisions are based solely on the facts and evidence as they relate to the federal statutes the department enforces.”

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
25. I realize that the Justice Department would make its decisions based on facts and evidence.
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 10:16 PM
Nov 2016

But the computer scientists mentioned in my post are trying to get the JD to consider their evidence. How do you or the WA Post know that a strong enough public response wouldn't increase the likelihood of them meeting with the computer scientists?

athena

(4,187 posts)
68. It's not "fact-checking" when it's false.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:35 PM
Nov 2016

It is not true that the DOJ is "not accepting" calls. You can call and leave a message. I did.

The DOJ is not keeping a "tally" of the calls they get. But that really doesn't matter. They don't need a tally to know that the large volume of calls shows that the people are concerned about the integrity of the election process.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
24. Even if it isn't finished until next year after trump takes the oath,
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 10:15 PM
Nov 2016

We need to know if our elections are being manipulated and stolen and who else is benefitting from it. The integrity of the vote is paramount.

mountain grammy

(26,624 posts)
30. Yes! Time to put it out there.
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 11:00 PM
Nov 2016

It's time to restore some faith in our electoral process. Right now, I have very little

Lulu KC

(2,567 posts)
28. I'm starting to worry about President Obama
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 10:47 PM
Nov 2016

Is it possible that he is in shock, as so many of us are, and he's not quite himself? Hello, my sweet president, DAPL and now this? I am worried about him. It ain't over til it's over.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
33. Did you read the first paragraph of the body of my post?
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 11:14 PM
Nov 2016

The bottom line is that the first deadline for filing for an audit is Friday, and that computer scientists and lawyers are urging an audit. The WA Post says that the Justice Department bases its decisions on facts and evidence. Of course it does! But the group of computer scientists (second article in my post) are urging them to listen to them about the evidence that they have developed. How does the WA post know that public pressure wouldn't increase the chances that the JD would consider what the computer scientists have to say?

athena

(4,187 posts)
50. It's interesting,
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:00 AM
Nov 2016

how adamant certain low-post-count members are about not demanding an investigation of the election.

If there is nothing to it, how would it hurt to do a recount?

Squinch

(50,955 posts)
53. Thank you. I noticed that too. If there is an anomaly, it should be investigated. And there is
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:07 AM
Nov 2016

no harm in making our voices heard to see that happens.

ooky

(8,924 posts)
34. I don't give a damn what the White House wants.
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 11:16 PM
Nov 2016

Something is definitely wrong here. The polls don't match the vote, the exit polls don't corroborate the vote. There's a strong appearance of tampering going on. It needs to be investigated before this farce of an election is certified by the electoral college. Clinton needs to file these challenges. If there is any chance that a massive fraud is being perpetrated on the American people then we need to take the time to find out.

athena

(4,187 posts)
51. It's always better to call.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:02 AM
Nov 2016

It's easy to ignore incoming messages and e-mails, or set up a script to send an automated response. A call, on the other hand, is less easy to ignore, and a huge nuisance when it's multiplied by thousands.

ncgrits

(916 posts)
41. Folks on Jezebel are fired up about this.
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 11:41 PM
Nov 2016

Lots of posts to call DOJ and representatives. I wasn't able to get thru to DOJ on number above. But this number works for leaving a message.

Department of Justice at (202) 514-2000 ×4

ffr

(22,670 posts)
45. Call democratic majority leader Harry Reid as well.
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 11:50 PM
Nov 2016
Reid, Harry - (D - NV)
Class III.
522 Hart Senate Office Building Washington DC 20510.
(202) 224-3542.

He's a lame duck with nothing to lose. We saved his seat by electing another democrat, Catherine Cortez-Masto to replace him.

raging moderate

(4,305 posts)
46. I love Obama, but sometimes he is too timid.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:04 AM
Nov 2016

I voted for Obama, I worked for Obama, and I contributed to Obama. I will always cherish the moment I actually got to shake his hand and speak to him and Michelle and their two (then) little girls. But this time, he is wrong.

athena

(4,187 posts)
52. I don't understand
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:02 AM
Nov 2016

why he's more focused on ensuring a "smooth transition" than on ensuring that all the votes have been counted and no hacking has taken place.

brooklynite

(94,598 posts)
56. It is not the job of the Justice Department to ensure that votes are counted...
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 08:39 AM
Nov 2016

It is the job of the Justice Department to enforce laws. Phoning in a concern about statistical anomalies in data does not rise to the level of evidence of criminal activity. The ONLY person who can call for a vote review is Hillary Clinton.

athena

(4,187 posts)
65. That is false.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:00 PM
Nov 2016
https://www.justice.gov/crt/voting-section

The Voting Section enforces the civil provisions of the federal laws that protect the right to vote, including the Voting Rights Act, the Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act, the National Voter Registration Act, the Help America Vote Act and the Civil Rights Acts.


The right of the citizens to have their votes counted is a concern of the Department of Justice.

Your other statement is also false. In PA, for example, the people can demand a recount:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/recount-rules-battleground-states-2016-presidential-election-231013

Michigan: A mandatory recount if 2,000 votes or less separate the top two candidates. Candidates can petition for a recount due to fraud or a counting error.


Wisconsin: Any candidate can request a recount within three days of completion of the initial tally. The recount is free to the requesting candidate if the margin of victory is less than 0.5 percent, otherwise it must be paid for in advance.


Pennsylvania: Automatic recount when vote margin is less than 0.5 percent. Voters can petition county boards for a recount. Voters or candidates can petition courts for a recount.

ncgrits

(916 posts)
47. Got thru; left message. DOJ (202) 514-2000 x4
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:14 AM
Nov 2016

"Hoax" or not, I damn well want to be heard! Also left messages with senators and congressman.

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
54. What's neat about my telephone plan -
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 05:14 AM
Nov 2016

no charge for hanging on! Got the number, and am on "hold" but heck, it doesn't cost a thing!

I WANT this to happen. A few hours on hold is worth it.

Oh, I forgot - I'm a deplorable..............

barbtries

(28,799 posts)
55. done.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 07:43 AM
Nov 2016

very short, and didn't say even 1/10000000000th of what i wanted to regarding republican morals and ethics.

Vinca

(50,278 posts)
57. She would never in a million years challenge the vote.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 09:13 AM
Nov 2016

The one thing you can rely on when it comes to Democrats is that they fold like cheap tents because of some hearts and rainbows desire to "unite." If the DOJ doesn't investigate it - and I doubt they will - this will be swept under the rug like the election tampering of 2000 and 2004.

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
60. Got through right away on the 202 514 2000 x 4 number, at 10:20 a.m. eastern.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:29 AM
Nov 2016

And also used the web form another post-er provided in one of the sub-posts.

Thanks, pwnmom. Recced.

azureblue

(2,146 posts)
63. "a smooth transition" ?????
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:43 AM
Nov 2016

Is that advisor crazy? A smooth transition, vs. stopping Trump from wrecking the country? WTF!!!
Hillary won the election. Time, not for the sake of polite politics but the survival America to fight back.

athena

(4,187 posts)
64. I just called and left a message.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:54 AM
Nov 2016

I said that I am very concerned about the reports of irregularities in the numbers from WI, MI, and PA. I said this is a democracy, which means that people vote, and their votes are counted. The leaders are chosen by the people, not by someone who hacks into the system. I said that regardless of what the results are (i.e., whether there was fraud or whether things were done correctly), there should be an investigation to reassure the people that their votes were properly counted.

Please everyone, call. It just takes a couple of minutes. That's literally how long it took me.

SpankMe

(2,957 posts)
69. It's too late to challenge. Hillary's already conceded. But...
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:03 PM
Nov 2016

...an analysis and adjustment of the *real* results should be accomplished anyway. If the numbers for Hillary improve once the "mistakes" are all teased out, then - even though Trump remains president - at least he becomes non-legitimate and is pretty much a lame duck for most of his presidency. He still may push his agenda hard and win most of it. But history will view this as an illegitimate presidency. His agenda will be easier to undo, and it would lead to election reform and would probably get Dems back in power the next go-around.

I say we press forward anyway, even if there's no realistic expectation that Hillary cold turn it around.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
76. Gore had conceded before he challenged. The concession can be taken back in the face of new evidence
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 02:34 PM
Nov 2016

But Friday is PA's deadline for requesting an audit.

Thav

(946 posts)
70. I would think and election deserves an audit
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:29 PM
Nov 2016

regardless.

But if final tallies don't agree, especially with "counted votes" greater than "counted ballots" then that precinct should be labeled immediately as "in audit" and the results should not be allowed to be counted until the full audit complete.

Electronic voting systems with no paper trail need to be done away with. Elections are too important to rely on black boxes. A system can be designed to make it easy for people to vote, and have the ability to be audited that are required.

But then again, such things interfere with systemic election fraud.

KatyBR

(183 posts)
71. U.S. Intelligence officials also said Russia targetted state and local election systems
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:31 PM
Nov 2016

Note: When the DNC hacked news came out so did this-->Our U.S. Intelligence officials also told 25 states that "a Russian Company" was targetting 25 state and local elections systems. See here:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/07/russia-s-senior-most-officials-ordered-dnc-hack.html

“We also worked as quickly as possible to release as much information as possible in order to provide state and local officials sufficient time to fortify their infrastructure,” the official said. The Department of Homeland Security and the FBI have put state elections officials on notice that hackers have been trying to access voter registration files and could cause havoc on Election Day. So far, 25 states have asked the department to help scan their computer networks for security weaknesses.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
72. called and left a voice message, also left web message
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:46 PM
Nov 2016

*fingers crossed*

But WTF Obama???

How can there be a smooth transfer of power to a proto-fascist and liar and ignoramus?

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
75. Done.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 02:31 PM
Nov 2016

If we are to get this movement going, I suggest reminding everyone that Russia hacked the DNC and Russia may well have hacked the election. Americans will be pissed off if they think a foreign country hacked the vote more than if it's just the same old group of crooked oil billionaires.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
77. Tell Heba to tell Huma we miss her! Damn Weiner....its all his fault.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 02:38 PM
Nov 2016

At least we have some activists, yet besides the white house, Alex Halderman himself doesn't seem to think hacking was an issue.

SOOO Anyway, exactly how many DOJ phone calls do we need to do a recount??

ailsagirl

(22,897 posts)
78. Help-- can't get through
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 02:40 PM
Nov 2016

Tried 202-514-2000 x4 (doesn't give me any options)

and

202-313-1555 (busy)

Suggestions??

usaf-vet

(6,189 posts)
84. Damn IT challenge the election. It's not what you...
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 07:36 PM
Nov 2016

.... want that counts anymore. It is the rest of us.

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