2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumACTION ALERT: the Justice Department is tallying phone calls asking for election audit.
Last edited Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:29 AM - Edit history (5)
*** Post #22 below has a link to a WA post piece that discounts this story, saying that the Justice Department wouldn't be influenced by public pressure to investigate. But New York Magazine reports on a post by Heba Abedin that says otherwise. In any case, a group of computer scientists and lawyers are pushing for a recount, and the deadlines for filing are as soon as Friday. More on that at the second link below. ***
For those who would rather use an online form, TexasBushwacker provided this link below:
https://www.justice.gov/doj/webform/your-message-department-justice
Here is the Facebook post by Heba Abedin, Humas sister:
The Department of Justice is tallying phone calls regarding those who want the 2016 Vote Audited. A shift of just 55,000 Trump votes to Hillary in PA, WI, and MI is all that is Needed to Win.
They are starting to recognize that there is something really off about the election results as they come in. Considering everything that is at stake, a vote audit should be done.
Call the DOJ at XXXXXXXXXX and tell them you want the votes audited. Even if its busy, keep calling. It takes a few times to get through because of all the calls being made.
SHARE THIS WHERE POSSIBLE. SPREAD THE WORD.
ON EDIT: This appears to be a better number: Call the DOJ at 202-514-2000 and wait for options then choose 4 for Comment Line
Here is the background:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/11/activists-urge-hillary-clinton-to-challenge-election-results.html?mid=twitter-share-di
Hillary Clinton is being urged by a group of prominent computer scientists and election lawyers to call for a recount in three swing states won by Donald Trump, New York has learned. The group, which includes voting-rights attorney John Bonifaz and J. Alex Halderman, the director of the University of Michigan Center for Computer Security and Society, believes theyve found persuasive evidence that results in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania may have been manipulated or hacked. The group is so far not speaking on the record about their findings and is focused on lobbying the Clinton team in private.
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The Clinton camp is running out of time to challenge the election. According to one of the activists, the deadline in Wisconsin to file for a recount is Friday; in Pennsylvania, its Monday; and Michigan is next Wednesday. Whether Clinton will call for a recount remains unclear. The academics so far have only a circumstantial case that would require not just a recount but a forensic audit of voting machines. Also complicating matters, a senior Clinton adviser said, is that the White House, focused on a smooth transfer of power, does not want Clinton to challenge the election result. Clinton communications director Jennifer Palmieri did not respond to a request for comment. But some Clinton allies are intent on pushing the issue. This afternoon, Huma Abedins sister Heba encouraged her Facebook followers to lobby the Justice Department to audit the 2016 vote. Call the DOJ
and tell them you want the votes audited, she wrote. Even if its busy, keep calling.
Raster
(20,998 posts)Squinch
(50,955 posts)athena
(4,187 posts)Thank you for posting this.
I will call tomorrow morning.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)make it so
sheshe2
(83,791 posts)I will keep trying.
ncgrits
(916 posts)I got thru and left a message.
sheshe2
(83,791 posts)I got through, ncgrits.
KewlKat
(5,624 posts)If it doesn't change the outcome of this election, then we will be better prepared for midterm elections.
-Steph-
(409 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)dhill926
(16,346 posts)would rather have a smooth transfer of power, than potential justice done. Not to mention saving the country and world from a trump presidency. What in the holy hell of fuck?
femmocrat
(28,394 posts)In the past two weeks we have seen the settlement of the trump u. case and now the "pay to play" at the t-rump foundation. Acts of white nationalism, bigotry toward minorities, and hate-vandalism have abounded. The press has been almost banished. There are protests in many cities and abroad. Would the WH really like to see another 4 years of so much unrest and assaults on our rights? What will this country look like by 2020? It is terrifying.
dhill926
(16,346 posts)it's all just one big club. And we don't get to be members...
triron
(22,007 posts)Obama wake the fuck up!
Richard D
(8,754 posts)Will try late night. But I guess not being able to get through is a good sign.
sheshe2
(83,791 posts)Now out of service.
angrychair
(8,702 posts)It's good enough in every state
blue sky at night
(3,242 posts)Calling at 8:50 PM EST and it is busy, busy, busy....will be driving tomorrow for four hours can get it done then I guess! F the White House, I am sick about getting hacked!
triron
(22,007 posts)800-2533931 number where one can leave a message. I did that.
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)Hell, even if there isn't anything at all.. CHALLENGE!!!
That jackass made VERY clear that he wasn't going to accept the election results unless he won.
I absolutely adore our first lady, but enough of this we go high shit.
gademocrat7
(10,659 posts)I'll keep trying.
This cannot stand!
OldRedneck
(1,397 posts)Washington Post reveals this whole call-DOJ-a-start-an-audit thing is a hoax.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/11/22/the-department-of-justice-is-not-going-to-conduct-a-vote-audit-based-on-your-phoned-in-outrage/?utm_term=.a701fd0dab8d
For supporters of Hillary Clinton, the post circulating on Facebook and Reddit offers hope. The Justice Department, it claims, is tallying calls from people who want an audit of the 2016 election. And given the small margins that Donald Trump won by in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin, a shift of about 55,000 votes is all that would be needed to change the outcome.
The problem is, its bogus. The Justice Department doesnt count up calls to determine whether it should launch an investigation. And they will not initiate a national audit or force particular states to recount their results based on the volume of outrage they receive from voters.
The Justice Department does not tally the number of callers to determine whether federal action is warranted, department spokesman David Jacobs said in a statement. Investigatory decisions are based solely on the facts and evidence as they relate to the federal statutes the department enforces.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)But the computer scientists mentioned in my post are trying to get the JD to consider their evidence. How do you or the WA Post know that a strong enough public response wouldn't increase the likelihood of them meeting with the computer scientists?
Become a nuisance. Government is WE THE PEOPLE after all.
Ruth Bonner
(192 posts)athena
(4,187 posts)It is not true that the DOJ is "not accepting" calls. You can call and leave a message. I did.
The DOJ is not keeping a "tally" of the calls they get. But that really doesn't matter. They don't need a tally to know that the large volume of calls shows that the people are concerned about the integrity of the election process.
Moosepoop
(1,920 posts)Will keep trying!
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)We need to know if our elections are being manipulated and stolen and who else is benefitting from it. The integrity of the vote is paramount.
tomp
(9,512 posts)For principle as much as outcome, and for the next election.
mountain grammy
(26,624 posts)It's time to restore some faith in our electoral process. Right now, I have very little
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Lulu KC
(2,567 posts)Is it possible that he is in shock, as so many of us are, and he's not quite himself? Hello, my sweet president, DAPL and now this? I am worried about him. It ain't over til it's over.
WhiteTara
(29,718 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)The bottom line is that the first deadline for filing for an audit is Friday, and that computer scientists and lawyers are urging an audit. The WA Post says that the Justice Department bases its decisions on facts and evidence. Of course it does! But the group of computer scientists (second article in my post) are urging them to listen to them about the evidence that they have developed. How does the WA post know that public pressure wouldn't increase the chances that the JD would consider what the computer scientists have to say?
lol just sort of skimmed it because I saw Huma's sister's name and "squirrel"
Mc Mike
(9,114 posts)Ruth Bonner
(192 posts)athena
(4,187 posts)how adamant certain low-post-count members are about not demanding an investigation of the election.
If there is nothing to it, how would it hurt to do a recount?
Squinch
(50,955 posts)no harm in making our voices heard to see that happens.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)ooky
(8,924 posts)Something is definitely wrong here. The polls don't match the vote, the exit polls don't corroborate the vote. There's a strong appearance of tampering going on. It needs to be investigated before this farce of an election is certified by the electoral college. Clinton needs to file these challenges. If there is any chance that a massive fraud is being perpetrated on the American people then we need to take the time to find out.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,202 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)athena
(4,187 posts)It's easy to ignore incoming messages and e-mails, or set up a script to send an automated response. A call, on the other hand, is less easy to ignore, and a huge nuisance when it's multiplied by thousands.
Farmgirl1961
(1,493 posts)I just sent an email. What else can we do???
ncgrits
(916 posts)Lots of posts to call DOJ and representatives. I wasn't able to get thru to DOJ on number above. But this number works for leaving a message.
Department of Justice at (202) 514-2000 ×4
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)underpants
(182,829 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)ffr
(22,670 posts)Class III.
522 Hart Senate Office Building Washington DC 20510.
(202) 224-3542.
He's a lame duck with nothing to lose. We saved his seat by electing another democrat, Catherine Cortez-Masto to replace him.
raging moderate
(4,305 posts)I voted for Obama, I worked for Obama, and I contributed to Obama. I will always cherish the moment I actually got to shake his hand and speak to him and Michelle and their two (then) little girls. But this time, he is wrong.
athena
(4,187 posts)why he's more focused on ensuring a "smooth transition" than on ensuring that all the votes have been counted and no hacking has taken place.
brooklynite
(94,598 posts)It is the job of the Justice Department to enforce laws. Phoning in a concern about statistical anomalies in data does not rise to the level of evidence of criminal activity. The ONLY person who can call for a vote review is Hillary Clinton.
athena
(4,187 posts)The right of the citizens to have their votes counted is a concern of the Department of Justice.
Your other statement is also false. In PA, for example, the people can demand a recount:
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/recount-rules-battleground-states-2016-presidential-election-231013
ncgrits
(916 posts)"Hoax" or not, I damn well want to be heard! Also left messages with senators and congressman.
ancianita
(36,095 posts)BigBearJohn
(11,410 posts)raven mad
(4,940 posts)no charge for hanging on! Got the number, and am on "hold" but heck, it doesn't cost a thing!
I WANT this to happen. A few hours on hold is worth it.
Oh, I forgot - I'm a deplorable..............
barbtries
(28,799 posts)very short, and didn't say even 1/10000000000th of what i wanted to regarding republican morals and ethics.
Vinca
(50,278 posts)The one thing you can rely on when it comes to Democrats is that they fold like cheap tents because of some hearts and rainbows desire to "unite." If the DOJ doesn't investigate it - and I doubt they will - this will be swept under the rug like the election tampering of 2000 and 2004.
Ninga
(8,275 posts)Thanks.
Mc Mike
(9,114 posts)And also used the web form another post-er provided in one of the sub-posts.
Thanks, pwnmom. Recced.
bear425
(2,888 posts)We must be heard and urge a recount.
Action
(115 posts)I got right through and left a message about needing to do an election audit.
azureblue
(2,146 posts)Is that advisor crazy? A smooth transition, vs. stopping Trump from wrecking the country? WTF!!!
Hillary won the election. Time, not for the sake of polite politics but the survival America to fight back.
athena
(4,187 posts)I said that I am very concerned about the reports of irregularities in the numbers from WI, MI, and PA. I said this is a democracy, which means that people vote, and their votes are counted. The leaders are chosen by the people, not by someone who hacks into the system. I said that regardless of what the results are (i.e., whether there was fraud or whether things were done correctly), there should be an investigation to reassure the people that their votes were properly counted.
Please everyone, call. It just takes a couple of minutes. That's literally how long it took me.
Thanks!
SpankMe
(2,957 posts)...an analysis and adjustment of the *real* results should be accomplished anyway. If the numbers for Hillary improve once the "mistakes" are all teased out, then - even though Trump remains president - at least he becomes non-legitimate and is pretty much a lame duck for most of his presidency. He still may push his agenda hard and win most of it. But history will view this as an illegitimate presidency. His agenda will be easier to undo, and it would lead to election reform and would probably get Dems back in power the next go-around.
I say we press forward anyway, even if there's no realistic expectation that Hillary cold turn it around.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)But Friday is PA's deadline for requesting an audit.
Thav
(946 posts)regardless.
But if final tallies don't agree, especially with "counted votes" greater than "counted ballots" then that precinct should be labeled immediately as "in audit" and the results should not be allowed to be counted until the full audit complete.
Electronic voting systems with no paper trail need to be done away with. Elections are too important to rely on black boxes. A system can be designed to make it easy for people to vote, and have the ability to be audited that are required.
But then again, such things interfere with systemic election fraud.
KatyBR
(183 posts)Note: When the DNC hacked news came out so did this-->Our U.S. Intelligence officials also told 25 states that "a Russian Company" was targetting 25 state and local elections systems. See here:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/07/russia-s-senior-most-officials-ordered-dnc-hack.html
We also worked as quickly as possible to release as much information as possible in order to provide state and local officials sufficient time to fortify their infrastructure, the official said. The Department of Homeland Security and the FBI have put state elections officials on notice that hackers have been trying to access voter registration files and could cause havoc on Election Day. So far, 25 states have asked the department to help scan their computer networks for security weaknesses.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)*fingers crossed*
But WTF Obama???
How can there be a smooth transfer of power to a proto-fascist and liar and ignoramus?
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)If we are to get this movement going, I suggest reminding everyone that Russia hacked the DNC and Russia may well have hacked the election. Americans will be pissed off if they think a foreign country hacked the vote more than if it's just the same old group of crooked oil billionaires.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)At least we have some activists, yet besides the white house, Alex Halderman himself doesn't seem to think hacking was an issue.
SOOO Anyway, exactly how many DOJ phone calls do we need to do a recount??
ailsagirl
(22,897 posts)Tried 202-514-2000 x4 (doesn't give me any options)
and
202-313-1555 (busy)
Suggestions??
pandr32
(11,588 posts)I used the on-line form.
I left a message. I'll still try to get a human
usaf-vet
(6,189 posts).... want that counts anymore. It is the rest of us.