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If she doesn't challenge this, if she doesn't fight, then we deserve to lose. (Original Post) LaydeeBug Nov 2016 OP
And yet, from what I've read, she's being pressured not to fight LisaM Nov 2016 #1
All we heard during the campaign is how Hillary never gives up. femmocrat Nov 2016 #2
10000000. PS: WE don't deserve to lose. flor-de-jasmim Nov 2016 #21
Change "she" to "he" and you could have been talking about Al Gore in 2000. KamaAina Nov 2016 #3
or Kerry 2004 with Ohio. The media nd the FBI were de facto wings of the KGB and no one is doing LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #7
Bernie is in a better position to challenge results than Hillary. ucrdem Nov 2016 #4
Bernie is not going to challenge the results. athena Nov 2016 #11
I suppose not. ucrdem Nov 2016 #20
I agree, but I'm not holding my breath. athena Nov 2016 #22
The System Is What It Is kebob Nov 2016 #5
This isn't about Hillary fighting for votes. yallerdawg Nov 2016 #6
She has to request it before cetain dealines, so it most certainly *IS* nt LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #8
Wrong. yallerdawg Nov 2016 #9
according to the computer experts, she does. nt LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #10
And? SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #15
I for one would certainly like it to be proven that we can trust the voting system. Or not. bullimiami Nov 2016 #12
Trump "won." yallerdawg Nov 2016 #13
And the result would be the same mythology Nov 2016 #14
Exactly SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #16
First day back on DU and glad to see someone saying the election is rigged RAFisher Nov 2016 #18
Bingo Bob41213 Nov 2016 #19
If I was her, I would have never conceded so early mvd Nov 2016 #17

LisaM

(27,813 posts)
1. And yet, from what I've read, she's being pressured not to fight
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 09:49 PM
Nov 2016

and by the White House.

I don't know if this is true. In several of the articles linked here, it mentions that the White House wants a smooth tradition and doesn't wish for there to be a challenge.

I don't know how Hillary puts up with so many obstacles thrown in her path. I don't.

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
2. All we heard during the campaign is how Hillary never gives up.
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 09:50 PM
Nov 2016

Never backs down. Spine of steel. Come on, Madam Secretary! Fight for the audit in those three swing states.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
3. Change "she" to "he" and you could have been talking about Al Gore in 2000.
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 09:51 PM
Nov 2016
Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.
 

LaydeeBug

(10,291 posts)
7. or Kerry 2004 with Ohio. The media nd the FBI were de facto wings of the KGB and no one is doing
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 09:54 PM
Nov 2016

a damn thing about it except glossing it over.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
4. Bernie is in a better position to challenge results than Hillary.
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 09:51 PM
Nov 2016

If Hillary so much as raises an eyebrow "sore loser" will be on every lip. On the other hand, Sanders could challenge from the disinterested perspective of a justice seeker, since he wasn't in the race. Is anything stopping him?

athena

(4,187 posts)
11. Bernie is not going to challenge the results.
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 10:00 PM
Nov 2016

I don't care if Hillary looks like a "sore loser". The integrity of our elections is more important than any one person, and Hillary understands that better than anyone else. If she didn't, she never would have run. She knew how much hate and loathing would be thrown her way.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
20. I suppose not.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:12 AM
Nov 2016

But if we're going to ask someone to make public statements or file suits, it would be far more effective if Sanders the Independent does it first, as any Democrat will get soundly thumped as a spoilsport. Bernie on the other hand would look like the crusader for justice he's thought to be.

athena

(4,187 posts)
22. I agree, but I'm not holding my breath.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:32 AM
Nov 2016

Bernie is more focused on attacking Hillary, claiming that she does not have guts, did not have anything going for her other than being female, and expected people to vote for her only because she's a woman.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
6. This isn't about Hillary fighting for votes.
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 09:53 PM
Nov 2016

This is about a fraudulent election and fraudulent results.

This is about de-legitimizing Trump - and then we'll see where the nation turns.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
13. Trump "won."
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 10:13 PM
Nov 2016

Recounting "the votes" won't change a thing.

It's about the votes that weren't counted. The voters who didn't vote. The votes that weren't generated by the voters.

Q: Can the votes be recounted?

A: Several states, including Pennsylvania and Florida, require the vote difference between the two candidates to be less than one-half of 1 percentage point. In Michigan, a recount is triggered automatically if the margin is less than 2,000 votes. None of those states are close enough at the moment.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/11/21/election-results-electoral-popular-votes-trump-clinton/94214826/
 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
14. And the result would be the same
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 10:31 PM
Nov 2016

There is nothing even remotely approaching proof that voting was hacked. None. There are allegations, contentions that are based on smoke and mirrors. Do you really think that Obama or Clinton are happy to have Trump who called Obama a foreigner and Clinton a criminal going into office? If there was anything to this, they would have something to say.

It's easy to say that you think Sanders would fight this. But I remember a bunch of Sanders supporters saying he should fight the primary results because they couldn't imagine that he was getting outvoted. Sanders didn't do that, because it wasn't hacked or some other vote tampering. It's the same in the general election. We got outvoted in some states. The lesson isn't to scream it's not fair. The lesson is to prepare for the upcoming political fights and the 2018 midterm and 2020 elections.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
16. Exactly
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 10:37 PM
Nov 2016

Some computer expert says "Oh noes, Hillary got 7% fewer votes in electronic voting counties than in paper ballot counties!!!" So what? What are the demographics of the counties? What was the turnout for each party in those counties? How many new voters? Etc., etc., etc.

It smacks of desperation, IMO.

RAFisher

(466 posts)
18. First day back on DU and glad to see someone saying the election is rigged
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 11:34 PM
Nov 2016

It happens like clockwork, a democrat loses there's always people saying it's rigged. The 'proof' is always too conspiratorial for me. The sort of conspiracy theory logic where the conclusion is assumed know and then you look for facts to support the conclusion. Since the election I've been on DailyKos and TPM, this is the first I'm hearing of this being rigged.

mvd

(65,174 posts)
17. If I was her, I would have never conceded so early
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 10:59 PM
Nov 2016

No, I wouldn't have pulled a Trump and refused to at all, though I would want to with that unqualified moron Trump. But it wouldn't hurt to audit the close states that infuriatingly were able to override a significant popular vote win.

Plus, it isn't like we never heard of hacking during the campaign. Something feels off, and I wish we had proof.

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