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ffr

(22,670 posts)
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 11:08 PM Nov 2016

BREAKING: VOTE TAMPERING IN WISCONSIN. CLINTON MUST ASK FOR FULL RECOUNT! - Daily KOS

SALON has a wonderful story about democratic electors lobbying republican electors to dump Trump; but at the bottom of that story, they buried what should have been the lead: there were counting irregularities in one county that massively and exclusively benefited Trump. Basically, someone was padding the vote count.

www.salon.com/…

It was discovered by Dan Solomon and released on his Twitter account:

twitter.com/…

Fixing the ‘errors’ in this county eroded Donald Duck’s margin [edited to add: in the state] by 7%. And I believe said errors may have been voting machine related, so the same margin may apply to other counties as well. Wisconsin could swing to Clinton IF THERE’S A RECOUNT!

Hillary Clinton owes it to the country to ask for a full recount in the state. And probably a few others as well. - Daily KOS

I'm just really surprised that nobody has looked into a simple audit sampling to verify why all the pollsters were so wrong in key states. Not only that, polling shows after the election voters still favor HRC over Trump. Are we to believe that only on election day all those voters flipped to Trump supporters? Fishy to say the least.

And just for the record. I said we'd carry Nevada for HRC and we did. Up and down the ballot, democrats won. Even in red Washoe county, democrats won. The difference perhaps? We use computer voting machines with paper audit records. The numbers have to tie out between what the machine says and what's written on the paper ballot tape.
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BREAKING: VOTE TAMPERING IN WISCONSIN. CLINTON MUST ASK FOR FULL RECOUNT! - Daily KOS (Original Post) ffr Nov 2016 OP
I saw on twitter they were auditing Wisconsin Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #1
Not that I am aware of. n/t ffr Nov 2016 #7
Paper trails and audits should be mandatory. bullimiami Nov 2016 #2
Happy to see someone post this! triron Nov 2016 #3
CNN now reporting on it. See LBN ffr Nov 2016 #5
Huffpo too blitzburgh55 Nov 2016 #8
Machine and paper numbers must match -- I fully agree. aikoaiko Nov 2016 #4
paper audit records..... DK504 Nov 2016 #33
Link to Change.org petition... courtesy of red dog 1 Ruth Bonner Nov 2016 #6
136,000 now. Done! ffr Nov 2016 #10
Signed. neeksgeek Nov 2016 #12
Signed Cadfael Nov 2016 #19
Signed. (n/t) athena Nov 2016 #20
knr triron Nov 2016 #9
Thank you, Jesus! ancianita Nov 2016 #11
BREAKING: News articles with "BREAKING" in the title are almost always clickbait Bob41213 Nov 2016 #13
Right on all counts SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #14
Sources? ffr Nov 2016 #16
You mean the doctors DON'T want us to stop eating those five known "death foods"? Ken Burch Nov 2016 #22
Evidence: ucrdem Nov 2016 #15
"*Could* have been manipulated" Bob41213 Nov 2016 #17
They think they have a strong case and they're not amateurs. ucrdem Nov 2016 #18
This pretty much happens *every* election... Bob41213 Nov 2016 #23
Oh, the faithless electors dream SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #24
Yup, I agree 100% but it's coming... Bob41213 Nov 2016 #25
This time they have screenshots: ucrdem Nov 2016 #27
And exactly who does it hurt to check into this to see if the analysis has any validity? Squinch Nov 2016 #29
Thank you. One wonders... Silver Gaia Nov 2016 #36
The Clintons aren't going to put up a fight. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #21
I bet they could be persuaded if enough allies pushed for it ailsagirl Nov 2016 #26
Stein has raised enough cilla4progress Nov 2016 #28
SHE HAS NOT RAISED ENOUGH FOR ALL 3 YET- Needs 2.5 mill but is already at 1.2 million in 6 hours KatyBR Nov 2016 #30
I know. cilla4progress Nov 2016 #31
Question cilla4progress Nov 2016 #32
I would assume triron Nov 2016 #34
It might csziggy Nov 2016 #35

bullimiami

(13,099 posts)
2. Paper trails and audits should be mandatory.
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 11:12 PM
Nov 2016

And if you wanted to have multiple vendors build the hardware there should have been a spec to build them all to and true modern security and verification in all the hardware and software.

triron

(22,007 posts)
3. Happy to see someone post this!
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 11:15 PM
Nov 2016

There is so much evidence pointing to a stolen election; one being the incredible discrepancies
between the polling and the supposed results on election day, another being inconsistencies with the exit polling done by more than one organization, another being the betting markets and then predictions by Moody's analytics.

aikoaiko

(34,172 posts)
4. Machine and paper numbers must match -- I fully agree.
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 11:18 PM
Nov 2016

Requiring this in all 50 states is the long game for us. Short game where it can be won, too.

DK504

(3,847 posts)
33. paper audit records.....
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:32 PM
Nov 2016

"We use computer voting machines with paper audit records. The numbers have to tie out between what the machine says and what's written on the paper ballot tape. "

We've have been yelling about this since the Diebold shit storm. Somehow they can get us all info we want right off our ATM machines, but these criminals can't do the exact same thing for voting. Something is stinky in the USA.

Ruth Bonner

(192 posts)
6. Link to Change.org petition... courtesy of red dog 1
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 11:25 PM
Nov 2016

The Change.org petition:

"Demand An Audit Of The 2016 Presidential Election"
has more than 124,000 signatures so far
http://www.change.org/p/demand-an-audit-of-the-2016-presidential-election

Bob41213

(491 posts)
13. BREAKING: News articles with "BREAKING" in the title are almost always clickbait
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:12 AM
Nov 2016

No evidence on vote fraud. And electors aren't switching sides, and even if a few did, it would end up in the House where they'd elect Trump anyways.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
14. Right on all counts
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:15 AM
Nov 2016

No evidence of vote fraud, and if 38 electors decide to go the faithless route, Congress will simply toss their votes, take it to the House, and elect Trump.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
22. You mean the doctors DON'T want us to stop eating those five known "death foods"?
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 02:01 AM
Nov 2016

And we don't have to say a tearful goodbye to our favorite celebrities?

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
15. Evidence:
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:18 AM
Nov 2016

(CNN) Hillary Clinton's campaign is being urged by a number of top computer scientists to call for a recount of vote totals in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, according to a source with knowledge of the request.

The computer scientists believe they have found evidence that vote totals in the three states could have been manipulated or hacked and presented their findings to top Clinton aides on a call last Thursday.

The scientists, among them J. Alex Halderman, the director of the University of Michigan Center for Computer Security and Society, told the Clinton campaign they believe there is a questionable trend of Clinton performing worse in counties that relied on electronic voting machines compared to paper ballots and optical scanners, according to the source.


http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/22/politics/hillary-clinton-challenge-results/

Bob41213

(491 posts)
17. "*Could* have been manipulated"
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:25 AM
Nov 2016

And their analysis of Wisconsin implied she could have been "robbed" of 30k votes (just enough to win). I'm pretty sure their analysis is a best case scenario plus a few hundred percent just to be sure.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
18. They think they have a strong case and they're not amateurs.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:31 AM
Nov 2016

There are a lot of anomalies that many are finding suspicious. If it turns out Mr T didn't pay for quite enough fraud to cover his butt then we get a Democratic administration and that's worth fighting for.

Bob41213

(491 posts)
23. This pretty much happens *every* election...
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:18 AM
Nov 2016

Side A wins, Side B screams election fraud and claims the electors will flip. I remember it happening in 2000, all the way up to now.

Once the deadline has passed the articles will start talking about faithless electors.

They may not be amateurs, they might be (I have no proof either way and I doubt you do either). But if their entire case is built on "maybe" this is going no where. And "maybe something is maybe wrong" is the most I read.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
24. Oh, the faithless electors dream
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:23 AM
Nov 2016

was the predominant one until this article came out (which the computer scientist himself now publicly says misrepresented what he said and used bogus numbers to boot).

The EC won't come true either - faithless elector votes will simply be rejected by Congress and not counted, the election will go the House and the outcome will be the same - Trump sworn in on Jan 20th.

Bob41213

(491 posts)
25. Yup, I agree 100% but it's coming...
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:26 AM
Nov 2016

Once the deadlines pass to challenge results, we're going to see all the hopes and dreams that 25 or so of them will flip (impossible). But like you say, even if they did flip, the democratic electors will not be all on board to vote for someone besides Hillary. Then it'll go right to congress which will put Trump right back into power.

Squinch

(50,955 posts)
29. And exactly who does it hurt to check into this to see if the analysis has any validity?
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 09:56 PM
Nov 2016

Why are you weighing in on every thread about this and arguing against checking into these anomalies? How does an audit hurt you?

ailsagirl

(22,897 posts)
26. I bet they could be persuaded if enough allies pushed for it
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 08:43 PM
Nov 2016

After all, we know darn well that HRC would never tolerate even a whisper of election fraud-- we know she stands up for what's right and good for our country-- why should this be any different?? So much is at stake.

cilla4progress

(24,736 posts)
32. Question
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:04 PM
Nov 2016

Are the 3 states she is wanting to recount, should they go Hillary's way, would that overturn the ECV?

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
35. It might
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 12:07 AM
Nov 2016

Right now it stands at Clinton 232 to Trump 290 with Michigan still not certified for 16 votes. If MI goes for Clinton, she'd have 248 to his 290.

Wisconsin has 10 votes, Pennsylvania has 20. If those two flipped after a recount for Clinton she'd have 278 to his 260.

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