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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 04:08 AM Nov 2016

Dean as DNC chair means victory for the status quo.

It means we KEEP going to Wall Street for money.

It means no shakeup in how the party is run at all.

It means no greater say for the grassroots.

It means more recruitment of centrist millionaires as candidates.

It means two terms of Trump and no gains in state legislatures, governorships or Congress.

It means nothing ever gets better.

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Dean as DNC chair means victory for the status quo. (Original Post) Ken Burch Nov 2016 OP
Yeah, I know, 'cause the 50-state strategy was such a bad idea. Or idear, to use his term. Hekate Nov 2016 #1
He's not the only person who could recreate that particular strategy. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #5
You know...I think the status quo Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #21
He's the only candidate who has done it successfully. KittyWampus Nov 2016 #38
Thanks for the uplifting message. TexasTowelie Nov 2016 #2
actually it means none of those things nt msongs Nov 2016 #3
If it didn't, he wouldn't be the anti-Ellison candidate. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #6
The party HAS changed in a significant way. It's in the toilet. Paladin Nov 2016 #13
On another thread you informed me that we needed to reach out Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #22
I never called for us to appease actual racists. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #40
A Black, Muslim can not offer anything to rural and working class voters who also happen to be ... ieoeja Nov 2016 #43
I do not think goin way left will help us win. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #24
Could your argument be any more of a no true Scotsman fallacy? mythology Nov 2016 #31
arm chair warrior JI7 Nov 2016 #4
We don't control the WH, the Senate, the House, the majority of Governorships nor the majority Trust Buster Nov 2016 #7
Bull. boston bean Nov 2016 #8
Nonsense, Ken scheming daemons Nov 2016 #9
Completely disagree. madaboutharry Nov 2016 #10
Thank You! Madam45for2923 Nov 2016 #14
Dean was for single payer until Bernie was. Now he works for a lobbying firm for healthcare giants think Nov 2016 #11
So what? Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #20
I don't care if Bernie supporters want to fight the primary, have at it, but we do not choose a Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #23
Plus....Bernie Isn't Even A Dem Me. Nov 2016 #34
Regarding Domocrat values, Bernie is more of a Democrat in spirit than most other Democrats combined mtnsnake Nov 2016 #36
Total Nonsense Me. Nov 2016 #42
It isn't "refighting the primary" to question the choices made in the fall. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #41
All I know is that when he was in charge we won everything. Vinca Nov 2016 #12
My only reservation about Dean is that he's said some things that show one hell of a lack of Midwestern Democrat Nov 2016 #15
This is a joke, right? People don't care what anybody says. Trump's win proved that. yardwork Nov 2016 #16
I do preferably every f'ing day. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #19
I think Howard Dean would be an excellent DNC chair. yardwork Nov 2016 #17
The 50 state strategy was very effective. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #18
People have huge crystal balls. Bigly balls if you will. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #25
We don't need a corporate lobbyist running the Democratic party. Cobalt Violet Nov 2016 #26
right. Is that the reason Russ Feingold lost and Zypher Teachout? How about every still_one Nov 2016 #27
as much as I love Howie, Ellison will oppose the bastards librechik Nov 2016 #28
The DNC chairs job is to win elections...I would prefer someone fulltime. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #29
I disagree DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #30
It doesn't mean any of those things. blue neen Nov 2016 #32
I couldn't agree more mtnsnake Nov 2016 #33
Disagree DeminPennswoods Nov 2016 #35
I have a high regard for Gov. Dean but I do believe he represents the status quo. nt ladjf Nov 2016 #37
Much as I appreciate Keith Ellison, he's an ACTIVE legislator. . . DinahMoeHum Nov 2016 #39
 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
5. He's not the only person who could recreate that particular strategy.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 05:07 AM
Nov 2016

And since he quit the DNC, all Dean has done is fight to keep things as they are.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
21. You know...I think the status quo
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:34 AM
Nov 2016

would have been welcome right about now because we lost everything...we need someone who can recruit candidates who can win in all 50 states... Those who would recruit only super progressives would not help us win. Such candidates can not win in a number of purple states. We need a master of the numbers. Dean can win.

TexasTowelie

(112,237 posts)
2. Thanks for the uplifting message.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 04:33 AM
Nov 2016

I believe that each of us is capable to coming to a conclusion as to whether things will get better if Dean is picked as the party chair. However, I suspect that even those who may fundamentally agree with you will appreciate such negativity. It's not like any of us are wearing signs on our backside saying "kick me".

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
6. If it didn't, he wouldn't be the anti-Ellison candidate.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 05:10 AM
Nov 2016

Dean is only supported by those who don't want the party to change in any significant way.

Paladin

(28,264 posts)
13. The party HAS changed in a significant way. It's in the toilet.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 09:10 AM
Nov 2016

And I'm in no mood for more bad advice from Bernie people. Dr. Dean has a proven record of electoral accomplishments. We need him now, more than ever.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
22. On another thread you informed me that we needed to reach out
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:36 AM
Nov 2016

to disaffected white voters...now Keith is a good guy but is Black and Muslim. So you can't have it both ways.

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
43. A Black, Muslim can not offer anything to rural and working class voters who also happen to be ...
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 03:33 PM
Nov 2016

... White and Male? Explain please.

I would think support for minimum wage and better retirement guarantees would be welcomed by the White working class men. I think support for rural infrastructure (roads, sewage treatment, schools, etc) would be welcomed by White rural voters. And I fail to see why a Black, Muslim can not offer those things.

You folk keep putting up a false dichomoty between minorities and Whites when the only thing Democrats support that is really incompatible with support for White working class men and White rural voters is our support for rich, White old men via Third-Way economic policies.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
24. I do not think goin way left will help us win.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:48 AM
Nov 2016

It looks to me like the country has taken a right turn...you have to deal with reality. I say this as a leftist who wants to move left...but I want to win. I want to stop the GOP...this is not some philosophical argument for me.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
31. Could your argument be any more of a no true Scotsman fallacy?
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:45 AM
Nov 2016

Dean did pretty well at delivering a Democratic majority.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
7. We don't control the WH, the Senate, the House, the majority of Governorships nor the majority
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 08:44 AM
Nov 2016

of state legislatures. Why are you so confident that skewing farther to the Left with Ellison will reverse this current troubling trend ?

madaboutharry

(40,212 posts)
10. Completely disagree.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 09:05 AM
Nov 2016

Howard Dean is a great democrat and liberal. He is a skillful and organized person. He would be a great choice.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
11. Dean was for single payer until Bernie was. Now he works for a lobbying firm for healthcare giants
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 09:06 AM
Nov 2016
Howard Dean, Now Employed by Health Care Lobby Firm, Opposes Bernie Sanders on Single-Payer

Lee Fang - January 14 2016, 9:42 a.m.

Howard Dean is the latest in a string of Hillary Clinton supporters to charge that Bernie Sanders is wrong to support a single-payer health care plan. The former chairman of the Democratic National Committee claimed on MSNBC last night that Sanders’ reform might result in “chaos” because “trying to implement it would in fact undo people’s health care.” Dean added, “That is something people should be concerned about.”

Dean, a longtime supporter of single-payer, seemed to be changing his tune, a point made by host Chris Hayes during the segment.

~Snip~

Dean, though he rarely discloses the title during his media appearances, now serves as senior advisor to the law firm Dentons, where he works with the firm’s Public Policy and Regulation practice, a euphemism for Dentons’ lobbying team. Dean is not a lawyer, but neither is Newt Gingrich, who is among the growing list of former government officials and politicians that work in the Public Policy and Regulation practice of Dentons.

The Dentons Public Policy and Regulation practice lobbies on behalf of a variety of corporate health care interests, including the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, a powerful trade group for drugmakers like Pfizer and Merck...


Read more:
https://theintercept.com/2016/01/14/howard-dean-lobbyist/



Howard Dean on single payer
Posted on May 27, 2008

Question: As a former physician, what are your thoughts on the Democratic candidates’ health-care plans vs. a single-payer system?

Howard Dean: I think while someday we may end up with a single-payer system, it’s clear that we’re not going to do it all at once, so I think both candidates’ health-care plans are a big step forward. Certainly compared to Senator [John] McCain, who represents a big step backward.

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2008/may/howard_dean_on_singl.php

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
20. So what?
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:30 AM
Nov 2016

We are looking for a DNC chair that has proven he/she can win...someone who can devote his time..someone not in the House. I hear Tulsi is going to work for Trump. Imagine that.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
23. I don't care if Bernie supporters want to fight the primary, have at it, but we do not choose a
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:41 AM
Nov 2016

DNC chairman based on Bernie. There are way more Democrats who didn't vote for Berne than who did. We do not need an idealogue who will put the same sort of candidate in Mississippi as he/ she would in New York. I want to win period end of story. Dean has a proven track record.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
34. Plus....Bernie Isn't Even A Dem
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:20 PM
Nov 2016

So why does he keep thinking he should be the one determining what the DNC does or who it should choose as it's head. Rep Ellison is a congressman duly elected by people who expected to get a full-time rep. And I for one want a full-time DNC head, not an active representative or senator who already have a job, as we've had in the past.

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
36. Regarding Domocrat values, Bernie is more of a Democrat in spirit than most other Democrats combined
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:29 PM
Nov 2016
 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
41. It isn't "refighting the primary" to question the choices made in the fall.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 02:24 PM
Nov 2016

"Don't refight the primary" does NOT mean we can't disagree with anything the campaign did.

15. My only reservation about Dean is that he's said some things that show one hell of a lack of
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 09:13 AM
Nov 2016

judgment. His speculation about Trump being a cocaine user was just insane - I most definitely don't want to see a DNC Chair ever making statements like that.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
25. People have huge crystal balls. Bigly balls if you will.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:52 AM
Nov 2016

Flawed assumption after flawed assumption being promoted in a manner to sow discord.

Make a coherent argument against Dean. Don't lay out a bunch of clearly flawed assumptions.

Cobalt Violet

(9,905 posts)
26. We don't need a corporate lobbyist running the Democratic party.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:53 AM
Nov 2016

That would be the worse. He has that baggage. He gave it to himself.

still_one

(92,217 posts)
27. right. Is that the reason Russ Feingold lost and Zypher Teachout? How about every
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:10 AM
Nov 2016

swing state establishment republican incumbent running for Senate, won against the Democrat.

There are several reason we lost, the main one was the interference of the FBI into the election process

Keith Elision is an active representative for his district in Minnesota. He will need to attend to his duties as that representative. If he is DNC chair he will also need to attend to those duties. He will also need to combat the lies and slander that have been, and are hurled against him, such as the false narrative and distraction that he is a supporter of The Nation of Islam, Louis Farrakhan, and has involved himself directly in the Israeli/Palestinian issue, an issue which will provide a major distraction from doing his job as the DNC chairman.

The purpose of the DNC chairman is to organize and win elections. Howard Dean has a proven track record of doing that, and his 50 state strategy was a resounding success.

librechik

(30,674 posts)
28. as much as I love Howie, Ellison will oppose the bastards
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:25 AM
Nov 2016

Howie will first try appeasement. Then we lose.

DemonGoddess

(4,640 posts)
30. I disagree
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:34 AM
Nov 2016

Dean has a proven track record of WINNING. Plus, he'd be able to do it full time, without the obligations of holding another office.

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
33. I couldn't agree more
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:12 PM
Nov 2016

To continue with the status quo means we haven't learned anything from this crushing defeat. What's even more incredible to me when it comes to status quo is that there are still some people here who think Hillary should run again in 2020.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
35. Disagree
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:22 PM
Nov 2016

Howard Dean excels at plain speaking. This is something the Dems often don't do well and badly need in their national spokesman.

I think there's plenty of room for the Howard Deans and Keith Ellisons.

DinahMoeHum

(21,794 posts)
39. Much as I appreciate Keith Ellison, he's an ACTIVE legislator. . .
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:41 PM
Nov 2016

. . .and this DNC chair requires a full-time effort, preferably filled by either a former legislator or a political operative.

Trying to run the DNC while still holding a legislative position on the national level is like trying to serve two masters - and ending up performing poorly on both.

If Ellison does get the DNC chair, it should only be for symbolic reasons. He already has enough on his plate as a Congressman while battling the racist pricks in the House and elsewhere.

Dean, as creator of the 50-state strategy, should play a significant role behind the scenes.

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