2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDean as DNC chair means victory for the status quo.
It means we KEEP going to Wall Street for money.
It means no shakeup in how the party is run at all.
It means no greater say for the grassroots.
It means more recruitment of centrist millionaires as candidates.
It means two terms of Trump and no gains in state legislatures, governorships or Congress.
It means nothing ever gets better.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)And since he quit the DNC, all Dean has done is fight to keep things as they are.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)would have been welcome right about now because we lost everything...we need someone who can recruit candidates who can win in all 50 states... Those who would recruit only super progressives would not help us win. Such candidates can not win in a number of purple states. We need a master of the numbers. Dean can win.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)TexasTowelie
(112,237 posts)I believe that each of us is capable to coming to a conclusion as to whether things will get better if Dean is picked as the party chair. However, I suspect that even those who may fundamentally agree with you will appreciate such negativity. It's not like any of us are wearing signs on our backside saying "kick me".
msongs
(67,413 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Dean is only supported by those who don't want the party to change in any significant way.
Paladin
(28,264 posts)And I'm in no mood for more bad advice from Bernie people. Dr. Dean has a proven record of electoral accomplishments. We need him now, more than ever.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)to disaffected white voters...now Keith is a good guy but is Black and Muslim. So you can't have it both ways.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)And never would.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)... White and Male? Explain please.
I would think support for minimum wage and better retirement guarantees would be welcomed by the White working class men. I think support for rural infrastructure (roads, sewage treatment, schools, etc) would be welcomed by White rural voters. And I fail to see why a Black, Muslim can not offer those things.
You folk keep putting up a false dichomoty between minorities and Whites when the only thing Democrats support that is really incompatible with support for White working class men and White rural voters is our support for rich, White old men via Third-Way economic policies.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)It looks to me like the country has taken a right turn...you have to deal with reality. I say this as a leftist who wants to move left...but I want to win. I want to stop the GOP...this is not some philosophical argument for me.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Dean did pretty well at delivering a Democratic majority.
JI7
(89,252 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)of state legislatures. Why are you so confident that skewing farther to the Left with Ellison will reverse this current troubling trend ?
boston bean
(36,221 posts)scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)madaboutharry
(40,212 posts)Howard Dean is a great democrat and liberal. He is a skillful and organized person. He would be a great choice.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)think
(11,641 posts)Lee Fang - January 14 2016, 9:42 a.m.
Howard Dean is the latest in a string of Hillary Clinton supporters to charge that Bernie Sanders is wrong to support a single-payer health care plan. The former chairman of the Democratic National Committee claimed on MSNBC last night that Sanders reform might result in chaos because trying to implement it would in fact undo peoples health care. Dean added, That is something people should be concerned about.
Dean, a longtime supporter of single-payer, seemed to be changing his tune, a point made by host Chris Hayes during the segment.
~Snip~
Dean, though he rarely discloses the title during his media appearances, now serves as senior advisor to the law firm Dentons, where he works with the firms Public Policy and Regulation practice, a euphemism for Dentons lobbying team. Dean is not a lawyer, but neither is Newt Gingrich, who is among the growing list of former government officials and politicians that work in the Public Policy and Regulation practice of Dentons.
The Dentons Public Policy and Regulation practice lobbies on behalf of a variety of corporate health care interests, including the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, a powerful trade group for drugmakers like Pfizer and Merck...
Read more:
https://theintercept.com/2016/01/14/howard-dean-lobbyist/
Posted on May 27, 2008
Question: As a former physician, what are your thoughts on the Democratic candidates health-care plans vs. a single-payer system?
Howard Dean: I think while someday we may end up with a single-payer system, its clear that were not going to do it all at once, so I think both candidates health-care plans are a big step forward. Certainly compared to Senator [John] McCain, who represents a big step backward.
http://www.pnhp.org/news/2008/may/howard_dean_on_singl.php
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)We are looking for a DNC chair that has proven he/she can win...someone who can devote his time..someone not in the House. I hear Tulsi is going to work for Trump. Imagine that.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)DNC chairman based on Bernie. There are way more Democrats who didn't vote for Berne than who did. We do not need an idealogue who will put the same sort of candidate in Mississippi as he/ she would in New York. I want to win period end of story. Dean has a proven track record.
Me.
(35,454 posts)So why does he keep thinking he should be the one determining what the DNC does or who it should choose as it's head. Rep Ellison is a congressman duly elected by people who expected to get a full-time rep. And I for one want a full-time DNC head, not an active representative or senator who already have a job, as we've had in the past.
mtnsnake
(22,236 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)And that's Democratic
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)"Don't refight the primary" does NOT mean we can't disagree with anything the campaign did.
Vinca
(50,278 posts)Midwestern Democrat
(806 posts)judgment. His speculation about Trump being a cocaine user was just insane - I most definitely don't want to see a DNC Chair ever making statements like that.
yardwork
(61,650 posts)Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)yardwork
(61,650 posts)Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)Should we choose someone like say Tulsi?
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Flawed assumption after flawed assumption being promoted in a manner to sow discord.
Make a coherent argument against Dean. Don't lay out a bunch of clearly flawed assumptions.
Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)That would be the worse. He has that baggage. He gave it to himself.
still_one
(92,217 posts)swing state establishment republican incumbent running for Senate, won against the Democrat.
There are several reason we lost, the main one was the interference of the FBI into the election process
Keith Elision is an active representative for his district in Minnesota. He will need to attend to his duties as that representative. If he is DNC chair he will also need to attend to those duties. He will also need to combat the lies and slander that have been, and are hurled against him, such as the false narrative and distraction that he is a supporter of The Nation of Islam, Louis Farrakhan, and has involved himself directly in the Israeli/Palestinian issue, an issue which will provide a major distraction from doing his job as the DNC chairman.
The purpose of the DNC chairman is to organize and win elections. Howard Dean has a proven track record of doing that, and his 50 state strategy was a resounding success.
librechik
(30,674 posts)Howie will first try appeasement. Then we lose.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)Dean has a proven track record of WINNING. Plus, he'd be able to do it full time, without the obligations of holding another office.
blue neen
(12,321 posts)Not buying it.
mtnsnake
(22,236 posts)To continue with the status quo means we haven't learned anything from this crushing defeat. What's even more incredible to me when it comes to status quo is that there are still some people here who think Hillary should run again in 2020.
DeminPennswoods
(15,286 posts)Howard Dean excels at plain speaking. This is something the Dems often don't do well and badly need in their national spokesman.
I think there's plenty of room for the Howard Deans and Keith Ellisons.
ladjf
(17,320 posts)DinahMoeHum
(21,794 posts). . .and this DNC chair requires a full-time effort, preferably filled by either a former legislator or a political operative.
Trying to run the DNC while still holding a legislative position on the national level is like trying to serve two masters - and ending up performing poorly on both.
If Ellison does get the DNC chair, it should only be for symbolic reasons. He already has enough on his plate as a Congressman while battling the racist pricks in the House and elsewhere.
Dean, as creator of the 50-state strategy, should play a significant role behind the scenes.