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MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:38 AM Nov 2016

My Worst Fears During the Campaign Have Come to Pass

I really can't remember how many times I wrote thread-starting posts about GOTV before and during the general election campaign. One thing they all had in common was an expression of the danger of allowing the federal government to fall under the complete control of the Republicans. I tried to encourage everyone to work as hard as possible to make sure that our Democratic nominee won, because the prospect of all three branches of federal government in the hands of right-wingers was so horrifying.

Now, due to many factors, including people voting for third party candidates or skipping the presidential race on their ballots in some key states, exactly that has now occurred. The White House will be occupied by an orange-haired nitwit with no idea of what being President requires. The House and the Senate will also have Republican majorities. I had hopes that we'd be able to regain a majority in the Senate, but that did not happen, for many of the same reasons that the Democratic nominee did not win.

Worst of all, the new administration arrives on January 20 with a vacancy on the Supreme Court. Trump will, no doubt, name a conservative to fill that seat and the Republican Senate will swiftly confirm his choice. That will be the final straw in our national house built of straw. With a SCOTUS majority of conservatives, and the prospect of additional conservative justices to fill upcoming vacancies, we will have lost the last measure of checks and balances in our government.

There is an enormous risk going forward of a rapid backsliding to the United States of the 1950s and 1960s. Those were the times of my youth, and I remember with painful clarity how bad things were for minorities, women and others without inborn privilege. We could easily see the cumulative progressive changes of the last 50-60 years disappear. This prospect is one of the most frustrating and fear-producing things I have witnessed in my 71 years on this planet.

What can we do? I'm at a loss to say. We had a chance to continue the progress, but blew it badly through Democratic Party infighting and a refusal to recognize what a Republican sweep of all three branches of government might mean. Other factors, like voter suppression could have been overcome in the crucial swing states if we had not pissed away our chances through inaction or stubborn adherence to factionalism within our Democratic Party.

I'm done with this rant now. However, I could not avoid writing it. I'm so sorry we failed. I apologize to everyone who will be harmed by a totally conservative federal government. We have let people down, people who have no resources adequate to compensate for the damage. By focusing on nitpicking, we have failed so many people. It's too damned bad, in my opinion, and didn't have to end the way it did. Ugh!

Reply as you will...

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My Worst Fears During the Campaign Have Come to Pass (Original Post) MineralMan Nov 2016 OP
Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #1
"Nominating the wife of a previous US President" Sexist fucking drivel. LexVegas Nov 2016 #2
And that's why we lost Oneironaut Nov 2016 #3
"And that's why we lost" NCTraveler Nov 2016 #4
Nothing? I can't say to what degree but even I know it was a factor. NWCorona Nov 2016 #14
Uh-huh... SidDithers Nov 2016 #6
Not all criticism is in bad faith, Sid. Oneironaut Nov 2016 #7
FFS DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #8
I believe you mean the vast majority of Democratic voters nominating a highly Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2016 #9
I keep hearing comments about... yallerdawg Nov 2016 #5
I'm an old-timer like you, MM. stopbush Nov 2016 #10
If anyone blew it because of party infighting, it should have been the republicans, not us. mtnsnake Nov 2016 #11
But republicans came home. They don't seem to care much about what their candidate is. LisaL Nov 2016 #13
"While democrats want a perfect candidate." mtnsnake Nov 2016 #15
They are a coalition of single issue voters Amishman Nov 2016 #17
I don't think we should ignore campaign mistakes citood Nov 2016 #12
Agreed. progressoid Nov 2016 #16

Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Oneironaut

(5,504 posts)
3. And that's why we lost
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:07 AM
Nov 2016

It has nothing to do with sexism. Just stop.

People are angry because Washington is seen as a highly exclusive and incestuous power bubble that actively purges outsider families. Can you see why family members also seeking power would be seen as problematic?

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
4. "And that's why we lost"
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:11 AM
Nov 2016

No one believes that.

I love everyone saying "that is why we lost". Each different.

Oneironaut

(5,504 posts)
7. Not all criticism is in bad faith, Sid.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:17 AM
Nov 2016

This election should be a learning experience, not a time to get defensive.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
9. I believe you mean the vast majority of Democratic voters nominating a highly
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:25 AM
Nov 2016

qualified woman for President (a woman that, I might add, got 2 MILLION more votes than the Orange Fucktrumpet).

Sexist bullshit is sexist.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
5. I keep hearing comments about...
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:14 AM
Nov 2016

the USA breaking up now.

The polarization is so great, we can't talk, we can't compromise.

If the Republicans have their way, they will hurt and damage citizens today and generations to come.

"Well, they won," seems hardly adequate.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
10. I'm an old-timer like you, MM.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:25 AM
Nov 2016

This loss hurts so much because all the signs said that we were finally maturing as a nation. We were shaking off the disaster that was initiated by Reagan, ie: the "everyone for himself mantra" that sought to divide us and that blamed the victims of our inbred bigotries for their ills. Not only had we made impressive progressive strides under president Obama, but it looked like the country was finally getting it: Obama's approval numbers were through the roof and it seemed like the American people had had it with the Obstructionist Congress and were going to hand the Senate back to the Ds. That meant that the SCOTUS would take a hard turn toward progressive-ism that would operate for decades. The nation was becoming less religious as well, and the Religious Right was losing power in the nation and in the R Party to boot.

And it all went down the toilet overnight.

It hurts because we old timers have been through decades of R-created shitstorms whose main purpose was to enshrine existing prejudices into place and to operate on a "war against intelligence" footing. We thought that finally, finally everything was going to pay off, that the years of fighting the good battle would see that decisive victory for liberalism that we know the country needs if we are to "become a more-perfect nation."

Didn't happen. In fact, it did a 180° and we're now headed back to the dark ages.

Fuck.

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
11. If anyone blew it because of party infighting, it should have been the republicans, not us.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:27 AM
Nov 2016

I agree with all your other points, though.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
13. But republicans came home. They don't seem to care much about what their candidate is.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:28 AM
Nov 2016

While democrats want a perfect candidate.

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
15. "While democrats want a perfect candidate."
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:56 AM
Nov 2016

I think with just a few short words you nailed a major problem we have. Excellent point.

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
17. They are a coalition of single issue voters
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:16 PM
Nov 2016

They go crazy in primaries trying to push their ideal candidate on their main issue

In the general election they 'come home' and vote for the Republicans because whoever they are running is closer to their ideal than our candidate... And hardly consider anything except that issue.

Guns is a good example. There are millions of gun nuts who will show up and vote Republican every single election just because of that issue.

citood

(550 posts)
12. I don't think we should ignore campaign mistakes
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:27 AM
Nov 2016

Examining GOTV...the campaign could have helped that along in Wisconsin, with one or two visits.

But the trusted data showed they did not need to.

Examining the Veep pick...turns out VA is fairly solidly 'Blue', and probably could have been won without Tim Kaine. Warren, Sanders, Julian Castro...those are picks that could have energized the voters.

I could go on...the details aren't too important, but it was simultaneously a flawlessly run, yet poorly conceived of, campaign (and actually it would have been a well conceived of campaign against a normal candidate - it just needed to get scrapped when it became apparent Trump would be the opponent). President Clinton seemed to feel the winds of change, as he referred to Hillary as a 'the best Change Maker I've ever known' several times during his convention speech. But few others did.

I'm new here, and I learned after one post to not even suggest there was a problem with the campaign. So I kept my lips zipped. If the atmosphere that we had on this board was in any way reflective of the campaign as a whole, the outcome isn't surprising at all.

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