I need to know this before I can take this as a serious suggestion.

Provide proof of all this questionable actions.

She could of fixed it with reassignment surgery before puberty but failed to think ahead. That was her GREAT MISTAKE.

Cause that's part of what got us here. She did worse with women than Obama did. Stop blaming sexism.

You make the assumption that women can be biased to vote against a woman based on sexist conditioning from society.

That is an incorrect assumption.

Are people seriously trying to convince themselves that wingnuts wouldn't vote for those women if they were at the top of the ticket? Seriously?

rights, and can't stand the brown people being equal.

Florida as well. Even North Carolina voted for him once.

Just accept it: The economy is failing too many, and Hillary isn't particularly *liked*, the way Bill is. Clinton fatigue and memories of the '90s soshulized medicine debacle hurt her as well.

them promises/hope.

It also doesn't help that her campaign manager had a poor understanding of internet security.

How about Benghazi?

Maybe if she hadn't been secretary of state...

But even Mills thinks the same about the server. The constant shadow was ever present.

LOFL!

To Comeys two announcements to Congress right before the election. A constant shadow.

able to actually perform the job of SoS unless she used yahoo or AOL like prior Secretaries. That work for you?

The IT network along with email was greatly improved before Hillary took office but yes it still needed work.

Besides no other SoS used private communications exclusively.

and a compliant media looking to revel in her failures would have eaten it up.

Democrat. You limited "what we now know" to a very limited subset of what we actually know.

If you don't think they would have found things to blow up outrage about against any Democrat that ran, you really should stick to bowling or something else.

for Senate against the establishment republican incumbent

I am glad it didn't have anything to do with so many Sanders supporters refusing to vote for Hillary, because they of course realized that "trump" will save women's rights, civil rights, environmental rights, etc.

Of course the FBI was also helpful in their interference

His choices so far have affirmed his racist campaign promises:

Jeff Sessions AG

Destruction of the public schools with no accountability: betsy devos

and if anyone can unilaterally remove the U.S. from the Iran deal, and commit the U.S. to a major war in the middle east, it will be these two:

Mike Pompeo as director of the Central Intelligence Agency and Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn as national security adviser

In Michigan Hillary lost by .3%. Jill Stein received 1.1% of the vote. Similar situations in Wisconsin and other critical states.

Those self-identified progressives who refused to vote for Hillary should hang their heads in shame

I would guess that didn't play well with many Democrats and independents.

THEY VOTED FOR THE CROOK! THEY LIKE THE CROOK.

...btw, they absolutely HATED Bernie, for obvious reasons, which only confirms by belief that his views on regulating Wall Street were the RIGHT ones!

The media lied and attsckrd her 24/7. It was fucking pathetic. And just for the record I voted for Bernie in the primary, and FOR secretary Clinton in the general.

Really?

It is 99.9% bull shit so impossible to "address" and you are still promoting said bull shit.

are pretty telling.

Women have a higher bar to jump.. that much is obvious.

Hillary was supposed to be totally transparent. Not Trump. Or Bernie.

Clinton did have it stick to her. But she did bring some of it on herself with the email server. I know others did it, but she had her eye on running for President and knew she was under a spotlight because Republicans have an unreasonable desire to destroy her. It would have been smarter to follow the letter of the law rather than convenience.

You can't choose how others perceive your previous actions, but you can alter your future actions based on that perception. Clinton didn't do that.

And given the amount of lies that were told about her, it's reasonable to assume that it would be hard to actually compete this. There are some areas where she might have responded better; but look at Benghazi - Clinton clearly did nothing wrong there, and yet it hung around her necks until now (and probably ongoing if she continues to be involved in politics).

I don't know how you defeat something like that.

Bryant

Was hella impressive during that testimony. But he press refused to report it that way. They chose to forment scandal.
And congress has been abusing its powers for decades hunting that family which should be a huge scandal - but is not. That's a hugely corrupt part of the story that many people- including Sanders- ignored because it helps pay their bills.

I don't know exactly what he should have done from your perspective, except not run against him on this issue. Sanders did attack the media circus around Clinton and the unwarranted attacks on her. But he also clearly thought he would be a better President than she would be.

Bryant

And lots of sour grapes. I think his schtick was to forment anger just as Donald's was, and wasn't thinking long term about it. He used the Dem party for his own ambitions, burned bridges everywhere and could not influence the angry horse he created. Nothing about that was inclusive, or anything to be proud of.

Comey and the FSB. Fact is though she was a horribly flawed candidate. So was Bernie by the way.

"Horribly flawed" is one of a million stupid memes coming out of this election and proved meaningless by Trumps candidate. Obviously many voters loved horribly flawed this year.

She lost a close election.

The ultimate reasons are simple, base sexism and racism augmented by fundie xian bullshit

fuck the proponents of all 3

fucking fucks

30+ years of people lying about you, and worse yet, being open about it? You can't get people to open their eyes and ears if they're unwilling to, if they want to believe the bullshit.

FFS, she could tell people the color of her underwear on a given day, and have it be said she lied about it.

Yet, she was the choice and her team and the DNC didn't have a way to surmount the years of accumulated BS.

you see people demanding she fight this, and more "transparency". But you know, if HRC said the sky was blue, sure as shit someone would say she lied, and many would believe them. BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE REFUSE to think for themselves, and are basically lazy intellectually. By saying that, I don't mean that they lack education, what I mean is they lack the willingness to actually LOOK at things, and dig into things THEMSELVES.

But, you're validating my point. If they refuse to look into things, then, either there needed to be a different presentation that people could easily see, or, knowing their refusenik ways, maybe it was a bad candidate selection.

MY point is that you had certain things that the rw believed for years, and then the far LEFT kept perpetuating it during the primary. Instead of, you know, looking at her record.

I saw more rw talking points FROM THE LEFT than I ever thought I would this last primary season. Up to and INCLUDING that she is a centrist to center/right, which is a flat out LIE.

Then, when the blind anger was stirred, nothing was done by the losing primary candidate to stop it. Tepid, last two weeks of the election campaigning doesn't really count.

They played a LONG game and won.

I did enough research myself to conclude there was no wrong-doing, nothing there to see. But why was it not frankly addressed by the candidate? A recommendation when she was running was that she needed to overcome her tendency to "circle the wagons" under critique, and that is what she did. In the debates especially, as bad as trump did, she passed over most opportunities to answer criticism directly.

A counter-example from the 2008 campaign is Obama. When heavily criticized and in the midst of a media-storm over the Reverend Wright statements, he gave his "Race Speech". That was one of the most well-thought, honest and eloquent speeches I've ever heard. It didn't end the controversy, but it gained him the respect and admiration of the media and a great many people who might have otherwise had only the republican perspective to guide them.

and we gonna blame Hillary's emails.

My GOD!

...and people did consider them an issue.

My small perspective is based on having a repug relative, with a wide base of repug friends on FB, so all their conversations were there daily. I made it a point to fact-check many things they posted, and point out lies and made-up claims. That was much harder to do on the emails. I did enough research to say that there was nothing wrong, though the explanations and background was generally too lengthy. She could have publicly discussed those things, and it could have gone a long way towards calming the issue.

I know hindsight is easy, and if the election had gone the other way there would have been no need and her strategy would have been considered effective. I hoped the whole time that everyone would agree they were a non-issue, but I think, unaddressed, the repugs were successful in leading people to believe that her election would lead to 4 years of bitter and crippling investigations.

Have a Happy Thanksgiving.

But the coverage I saw about it ripped her for spending too much time on it. But he moderator kept bringing it up instead of real issues.

He didn't release his taxes. If it really was about what you say they would not support trump.

As Obama says "come on man".

in the business world, which allows more flexibility (definitely for worse, not better).

Hint: The media were entirely responsible for the promotion of Donald Trump and for the non-stop coverage of Trump.

Jeff Zucker of CNN created a Frankenstein.

I don't take Sanders supporters seriously on ANYTHING because they live in a fantasy world that their man would have been any kind of viable candidate.

He wasn't in the primaries. He wouldn't have been in the GE.

Bet you wouldn't talk that way if she were a MAN.

Your man Sanders wouldn't have won a single state outside of Vermont. He was a damned JOKE.

This video would have been played over and over and over again in the GE had he got the nomination:

I might note that Cubans in Cuba have universal health care and no cost tuition for all ed.

You want to beat up on candidates who espouse the main planks of every developed nation on the planet?

Good luck attracting progressive voters into the big tent with that.

The "Democratic" primary voters who supported Bernie had actually voted for Hillary.

Unfortunately, they did what they said they would do, and now we have Corrupt Trump.

I live in a swing state so felt that even though I wasn't her biggest fan, she was likely to be a good President and of course light years ahead of Trump. How many people in my position chose not to vote for Clinton?

Of course I might have felt differently if I lived in Oregon or a the North East, i.e. states that were guarenteed to go for Clinton.

Bryant

Occam's razor.

Is it more probable, "Russians changed a few votes on every machine," or "Sander's supporters did what they warned us they would do?"

One example of a "flipped" Pennsylvania county.

http://cumberlink.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/election-results-show-political-shifts-within-cumberland-county/article_618944e6-c74a-5a8f-99cf-59e71051144e.html

Voters in those states felt safe to "vote their conscious" or stay home. These attacks on Clinton were a huge part of this. Without them, we wouldn't be facing a Trump presidency and hearing about the rise white nationalism and terrorism in this country right now.

I voted Bernie in the primary and I voted Hillary even though I don't agree with all of her views/choices.

I know I'm not all the others, but I'd like to think many Bernie supporters made the right choice and voted for her.

Some voted for Gary "what is Aleppo" Johnson, Jill "I don’t have a clue" Stein and even Trump.

There were a lot of people angry at the DNC. They have to take the blame. DWS was a disaster. So there was no way to just fall in line and vote Hillary. That was against principle and conscience. The excitement and enthusiasm Bernie brought was ignored and voters were dismissed and patronized.

that true blue Democrats would find any candidate other than Hillary an option.

It is very easy to see if Stein or Johnson are considered to be presidential material, Corrupt Trump would be the more likely candidate for a Hillary Hater based on "spite."

But it is a factor. Just like some Democrats in the Midwest voted for Trump because they felt ignored by Clinton.

Seriously. The idea that people chose the more "moral" candidate is laughable. They LIKED corrupt Trump. They AGREE with him that tax evasion makes him smart. They LOVE all his crooked business deals. They COULDN'T WAIT to vote against the boringly honest and sincere Democrats. We bore them! They are pleased that there's now a crook in the White House. They feel like they're part of the in-crowd now.

We are the only ones obsessed with honesty. Give it up. Half the country likes crooks.

They chose to burn down the house. They know they have no role in shaping economic stability for themselves in a future that doesn't need them. This is their revenge on the future they can never be part of. This is their white rage. That's trumps appeal. Anger at everything not "them" anger at everything "intellectual" anger at everything "sciencey" & "techy" that they can't grasp. So blow everything up & hope what's left is the comfy familiar. God guns gays. Grasp the complexities of a global family? R u kidding me? They can't grasp the complexities of fucking email nvrmnd servers. Russians? White aren't they? So all good.

They want "maga" where white men can wear their white hoods with pride. And their wimmen folk won't make equal pay bcuz 'murika.

HRC didn't do anything wrong. You can't reason with the walking dead.

Let's stop with the bullshit that this was about HRC's supposed "trust issues"

They did with Hillary.

about all of Trump's insults and allegations he hurled her way. I remember her mostly ignoring it all, taking the supposed high road, hoping it would go away on its own.

but we'll see over time

The idea of Hillary as unique wasn't even in play. She was presented as more of the same old same old. The real, natural side of her was hidden in the overly polished and rehearsed side. I understand she is strong and smart with a lot of experience but at the same time she is perceived as untouchable and unapproachable. And deemed extremely untrustworthy. She took a lot of blame for things that weren't her fault and shouldn't have been relevant, her husband's messes. She was popular with a huge part of the base but couldn't expand beyond that.

Maybe spending more time on the ground in important states?

Maybe not putting money into no chances like Utah or Georgia?

Maybe making plans and policies simple enough that "Visit my website" isn't the primary slogan of the campaign when pressed on issues.

Maybe a VP pick who energized some part of the base that Hillary herself didn't instead?

That's just off the top of my head.

Not at all discounting a lot of the other reasons that weren't the result of Hillary or her campaigns choices, but ignoring those is going to do us more harm than good in the long run.

she addressed that PLENTY of times. It's not her fault that people chose not to listen, or that broadcast media chose not to show when she did. That is on them.

a real lack of understanding of a big chunk of members of our party. It's sad because we can't really converse if there's no desire to understand, just suppositions that happen to be inaccurate.

We had a horrible primary that made it all but impossible from our own side.

In fact, it would have been used as evidence that those who claim she was untrustworthy that they were right about her all along, and these were just more manipulative maneuvers by the lying Shrillery Killery. How can you trust anything she says? There was absolutely nothing she could do to appease that crowd, so doing nothing was the only correct move.